[beachlover]

Thanks to everyone for sharing your views. It’s interesting reading. I’ll share my views.

The USA has condemned torture through out our history. In addition to the Geneva Convention I would suggest reading the UN Convention Against Torture that the US signed. And if you have any doubt that waterboarding is torture, trying googling ‘is waterboarding torture’ for some interesting reading.

Many have stated that these individuals, set on destroying our country and killing as many of our citizens as possible, deserve to be tortured. Frankly, I don’t think we can debate this point.

Either the US endorses and practices torture or we don’t. We either agree to stand behind the conventions we sign and endorse or we don’t. The circumstances cannot justify the ends no matter the enemy.

My view is on principle. Not if we waterboarded someone 83 times or 183 times or 1083 times. My view is… is waterboarding torture. Yes. Does it violate US and International laws that we have signed. Yes. Can it be justified because we were attacked. No.

But, that’s my opinion and this forum welcomes different thoughts.

[beachlover]

Can’t speak to the highly paid folks and would not begrudge the firefighters or police for the money they earn.

But the average city worker? I had a work associate who wanted to place a bet about road repair crews. Any time more people were working than standing around watching, he would pay me a buck; more watching than working I would pay him a buck. Let’s just say I was glad the bet was only a buck or I might have needed bail out money. Take the bet next time you are out and about.

[beachlover]

Can’t speak to the highly paid folks and would not begrudge the firefighters or police for the money they earn.

But the average city worker? I had a work associate who wanted to place a bet about road repair crews. Any time more people were working than standing around watching, he would pay me a buck; more watching than working I would pay him a buck. Let’s just say I was glad the bet was only a buck or I might have needed bail out money. Take the bet next time you are out and about.

[beachlover]

Can’t speak to the highly paid folks and would not begrudge the firefighters or police for the money they earn.

But the average city worker? I had a work associate who wanted to place a bet about road repair crews. Any time more people were working than standing around watching, he would pay me a buck; more watching than working I would pay him a buck. Let’s just say I was glad the bet was only a buck or I might have needed bail out money. Take the bet next time you are out and about.

[beachlover]

Can’t speak to the highly paid folks and would not begrudge the firefighters or police for the money they earn.

But the average city worker? I had a work associate who wanted to place a bet about road repair crews. Any time more people were working than standing around watching, he would pay me a buck; more watching than working I would pay him a buck. Let’s just say I was glad the bet was only a buck or I might have needed bail out money. Take the bet next time you are out and about.

[beachlover]

Can’t speak to the highly paid folks and would not begrudge the firefighters or police for the money they earn.

But the average city worker? I had a work associate who wanted to place a bet about road repair crews. Any time more people were working than standing around watching, he would pay me a buck; more watching than working I would pay him a buck. Let’s just say I was glad the bet was only a buck or I might have needed bail out money. Take the bet next time you are out and about.

[beachlover]

Ah, you made my point. The Japanese did not honor the geneva convention in WWII and tortured our troops. These were despicable acts.

Fast forward and W has ignored the geneva convention and tortured — not troops, not uniformed personnel — just people who we “think” are terrorists, with no proven ties to the 9/11 tragedies. We’ve tortured these people, held them without rights, representation or due process. Waterboarding and the other tortures performed on these folks can in no way compare to Catholic schooling – please don’t minimize the acts with this type of comparison.

Sorry, these acts are NOT the same as a president who didn’t keep his zipper up and lied about it. Jeepers.

[beachlover]

Ah, you made my point. The Japanese did not honor the geneva convention in WWII and tortured our troops. These were despicable acts.

Fast forward and W has ignored the geneva convention and tortured — not troops, not uniformed personnel — just people who we “think” are terrorists, with no proven ties to the 9/11 tragedies. We’ve tortured these people, held them without rights, representation or due process. Waterboarding and the other tortures performed on these folks can in no way compare to Catholic schooling – please don’t minimize the acts with this type of comparison.

Sorry, these acts are NOT the same as a president who didn’t keep his zipper up and lied about it. Jeepers.

[beachlover]

Ah, you made my point. The Japanese did not honor the geneva convention in WWII and tortured our troops. These were despicable acts.

Fast forward and W has ignored the geneva convention and tortured — not troops, not uniformed personnel — just people who we “think” are terrorists, with no proven ties to the 9/11 tragedies. We’ve tortured these people, held them without rights, representation or due process. Waterboarding and the other tortures performed on these folks can in no way compare to Catholic schooling – please don’t minimize the acts with this type of comparison.

Sorry, these acts are NOT the same as a president who didn’t keep his zipper up and lied about it. Jeepers.

[beachlover]

Ah, you made my point. The Japanese did not honor the geneva convention in WWII and tortured our troops. These were despicable acts.

Fast forward and W has ignored the geneva convention and tortured — not troops, not uniformed personnel — just people who we “think” are terrorists, with no proven ties to the 9/11 tragedies. We’ve tortured these people, held them without rights, representation or due process. Waterboarding and the other tortures performed on these folks can in no way compare to Catholic schooling – please don’t minimize the acts with this type of comparison.

Sorry, these acts are NOT the same as a president who didn’t keep his zipper up and lied about it. Jeepers.

[beachlover]

Ah, you made my point. The Japanese did not honor the geneva convention in WWII and tortured our troops. These were despicable acts.

Fast forward and W has ignored the geneva convention and tortured — not troops, not uniformed personnel — just people who we “think” are terrorists, with no proven ties to the 9/11 tragedies. We’ve tortured these people, held them without rights, representation or due process. Waterboarding and the other tortures performed on these folks can in no way compare to Catholic schooling – please don’t minimize the acts with this type of comparison.

Sorry, these acts are NOT the same as a president who didn’t keep his zipper up and lied about it. Jeepers.

[beachlover]

Piggs,
Would be interested to hear your defense of W’s administration policy to go against the Geneva convention and his imprisonment of folks without due process. You might want to read the senate’s findings…

http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=305735

I don’t think it’s about party. It’s about what is right and what is wrong. I really don’t know how you can support W’s policies in these matters. I don’t care if a few of these folks were terrorists — we’re Americans and we don’t torture people or imprison and keep them without due process because W and his appointee’s decided we could. Five, ten, 20 years from now this will stain this administration history.

[beachlover]

Piggs,
Would be interested to hear your defense of W’s administration policy to go against the Geneva convention and his imprisonment of folks without due process. You might want to read the senate’s findings…

http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=305735

I don’t think it’s about party. It’s about what is right and what is wrong. I really don’t know how you can support W’s policies in these matters. I don’t care if a few of these folks were terrorists — we’re Americans and we don’t torture people or imprison and keep them without due process because W and his appointee’s decided we could. Five, ten, 20 years from now this will stain this administration history.

[beachlover]

Piggs,
Would be interested to hear your defense of W’s administration policy to go against the Geneva convention and his imprisonment of folks without due process. You might want to read the senate’s findings…

http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=305735

I don’t think it’s about party. It’s about what is right and what is wrong. I really don’t know how you can support W’s policies in these matters. I don’t care if a few of these folks were terrorists — we’re Americans and we don’t torture people or imprison and keep them without due process because W and his appointee’s decided we could. Five, ten, 20 years from now this will stain this administration history.

[beachlover]

Piggs,
Would be interested to hear your defense of W’s administration policy to go against the Geneva convention and his imprisonment of folks without due process. You might want to read the senate’s findings…

http://levin.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=305735

I don’t think it’s about party. It’s about what is right and what is wrong. I really don’t know how you can support W’s policies in these matters. I don’t care if a few of these folks were terrorists — we’re Americans and we don’t torture people or imprison and keep them without due process because W and his appointee’s decided we could. Five, ten, 20 years from now this will stain this administration history.

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