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Where was your internment camp anyway? Did the Nuns use waterboarding on you?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

I actually went to a Jesuit seminary school for my first eight years, and then Catholic high school following (Mountain View, CA, up in the SF/Bay Area).

Waterboarding would have been child’s play for the nuns I had. They were a Carmelite order and most of them were from Ireland. Tough bunch.

The funny thing is this: I received a stellar education and I would kill for that sort of discipline in my kid’s classroom today.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

I actually went to a Jesuit seminary school for my first eight years, and then Catholic high school following (Mountain View, CA, up in the SF/Bay Area).

Waterboarding would have been child’s play for the nuns I had. They were a Carmelite order and most of them were from Ireland. Tough bunch.

The funny thing is this: I received a stellar education and I would kill for that sort of discipline in my kid’s classroom today.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

I actually went to a Jesuit seminary school for my first eight years, and then Catholic high school following (Mountain View, CA, up in the SF/Bay Area).

Waterboarding would have been child’s play for the nuns I had. They were a Carmelite order and most of them were from Ireland. Tough bunch.

The funny thing is this: I received a stellar education and I would kill for that sort of discipline in my kid’s classroom today.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

I actually went to a Jesuit seminary school for my first eight years, and then Catholic high school following (Mountain View, CA, up in the SF/Bay Area).

Waterboarding would have been child’s play for the nuns I had. They were a Carmelite order and most of them were from Ireland. Tough bunch.

The funny thing is this: I received a stellar education and I would kill for that sort of discipline in my kid’s classroom today.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

I actually went to a Jesuit seminary school for my first eight years, and then Catholic high school following (Mountain View, CA, up in the SF/Bay Area).

Waterboarding would have been child’s play for the nuns I had. They were a Carmelite order and most of them were from Ireland. Tough bunch.

The funny thing is this: I received a stellar education and I would kill for that sort of discipline in my kid’s classroom today.

[beachlover]

Ah, you made my point. The Japanese did not honor the geneva convention in WWII and tortured our troops. These were despicable acts.

Fast forward and W has ignored the geneva convention and tortured — not troops, not uniformed personnel — just people who we “think” are terrorists, with no proven ties to the 9/11 tragedies. We’ve tortured these people, held them without rights, representation or due process. Waterboarding and the other tortures performed on these folks can in no way compare to Catholic schooling – please don’t minimize the acts with this type of comparison.

Sorry, these acts are NOT the same as a president who didn’t keep his zipper up and lied about it. Jeepers.

[beachlover]

Ah, you made my point. The Japanese did not honor the geneva convention in WWII and tortured our troops. These were despicable acts.

Fast forward and W has ignored the geneva convention and tortured — not troops, not uniformed personnel — just people who we “think” are terrorists, with no proven ties to the 9/11 tragedies. We’ve tortured these people, held them without rights, representation or due process. Waterboarding and the other tortures performed on these folks can in no way compare to Catholic schooling – please don’t minimize the acts with this type of comparison.

Sorry, these acts are NOT the same as a president who didn’t keep his zipper up and lied about it. Jeepers.

[beachlover]

Ah, you made my point. The Japanese did not honor the geneva convention in WWII and tortured our troops. These were despicable acts.

Fast forward and W has ignored the geneva convention and tortured — not troops, not uniformed personnel — just people who we “think” are terrorists, with no proven ties to the 9/11 tragedies. We’ve tortured these people, held them without rights, representation or due process. Waterboarding and the other tortures performed on these folks can in no way compare to Catholic schooling – please don’t minimize the acts with this type of comparison.

Sorry, these acts are NOT the same as a president who didn’t keep his zipper up and lied about it. Jeepers.

[beachlover]

Ah, you made my point. The Japanese did not honor the geneva convention in WWII and tortured our troops. These were despicable acts.

Fast forward and W has ignored the geneva convention and tortured — not troops, not uniformed personnel — just people who we “think” are terrorists, with no proven ties to the 9/11 tragedies. We’ve tortured these people, held them without rights, representation or due process. Waterboarding and the other tortures performed on these folks can in no way compare to Catholic schooling – please don’t minimize the acts with this type of comparison.

Sorry, these acts are NOT the same as a president who didn’t keep his zipper up and lied about it. Jeepers.

[beachlover]

Ah, you made my point. The Japanese did not honor the geneva convention in WWII and tortured our troops. These were despicable acts.

Fast forward and W has ignored the geneva convention and tortured — not troops, not uniformed personnel — just people who we “think” are terrorists, with no proven ties to the 9/11 tragedies. We’ve tortured these people, held them without rights, representation or due process. Waterboarding and the other tortures performed on these folks can in no way compare to Catholic schooling – please don’t minimize the acts with this type of comparison.

Sorry, these acts are NOT the same as a president who didn’t keep his zipper up and lied about it. Jeepers.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

beachlover: I’m not conflating Gitmo/Abu Ghraib with the Lewinsky situation (and, AGAIN, it had nothing to do with Clinton’s keeping his zipper up, it had to do with a sitting President SUBORNING PERJURY.).

I am, however, bringing your attention to Clinton’s policy of extraordinary rendition (he started the policy and used it extensively), whereby individuals that the US suspected (and that word is key) were sent to “black” sites throughout the world, including Egypt, Saudi and Jordan, and questioned without due process, rights or representation.

Clinton’s hands were quite dirty and not only on rendition, but also in his support of covert eavesdropping programs like NSA’s Carnivore and Echelon.

As to Catholic schooling: I was merely bantering on this point and was NOT drawing a comparison or trying to minimize anything. Before you start pontificating about Dubya, get your facts straight. The US has been actively involved in covert ops going back to before WWII. As I said in an earlier post, assemble your facts before trying to blackball Dubya like he represents some aberrant behavior. History tells a vastly different story. Read it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

beachlover: I’m not conflating Gitmo/Abu Ghraib with the Lewinsky situation (and, AGAIN, it had nothing to do with Clinton’s keeping his zipper up, it had to do with a sitting President SUBORNING PERJURY.).

I am, however, bringing your attention to Clinton’s policy of extraordinary rendition (he started the policy and used it extensively), whereby individuals that the US suspected (and that word is key) were sent to “black” sites throughout the world, including Egypt, Saudi and Jordan, and questioned without due process, rights or representation.

Clinton’s hands were quite dirty and not only on rendition, but also in his support of covert eavesdropping programs like NSA’s Carnivore and Echelon.

As to Catholic schooling: I was merely bantering on this point and was NOT drawing a comparison or trying to minimize anything. Before you start pontificating about Dubya, get your facts straight. The US has been actively involved in covert ops going back to before WWII. As I said in an earlier post, assemble your facts before trying to blackball Dubya like he represents some aberrant behavior. History tells a vastly different story. Read it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

beachlover: I’m not conflating Gitmo/Abu Ghraib with the Lewinsky situation (and, AGAIN, it had nothing to do with Clinton’s keeping his zipper up, it had to do with a sitting President SUBORNING PERJURY.).

I am, however, bringing your attention to Clinton’s policy of extraordinary rendition (he started the policy and used it extensively), whereby individuals that the US suspected (and that word is key) were sent to “black” sites throughout the world, including Egypt, Saudi and Jordan, and questioned without due process, rights or representation.

Clinton’s hands were quite dirty and not only on rendition, but also in his support of covert eavesdropping programs like NSA’s Carnivore and Echelon.

As to Catholic schooling: I was merely bantering on this point and was NOT drawing a comparison or trying to minimize anything. Before you start pontificating about Dubya, get your facts straight. The US has been actively involved in covert ops going back to before WWII. As I said in an earlier post, assemble your facts before trying to blackball Dubya like he represents some aberrant behavior. History tells a vastly different story. Read it.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

beachlover: I’m not conflating Gitmo/Abu Ghraib with the Lewinsky situation (and, AGAIN, it had nothing to do with Clinton’s keeping his zipper up, it had to do with a sitting President SUBORNING PERJURY.).

I am, however, bringing your attention to Clinton’s policy of extraordinary rendition (he started the policy and used it extensively), whereby individuals that the US suspected (and that word is key) were sent to “black” sites throughout the world, including Egypt, Saudi and Jordan, and questioned without due process, rights or representation.

Clinton’s hands were quite dirty and not only on rendition, but also in his support of covert eavesdropping programs like NSA’s Carnivore and Echelon.

As to Catholic schooling: I was merely bantering on this point and was NOT drawing a comparison or trying to minimize anything. Before you start pontificating about Dubya, get your facts straight. The US has been actively involved in covert ops going back to before WWII. As I said in an earlier post, assemble your facts before trying to blackball Dubya like he represents some aberrant behavior. History tells a vastly different story. Read it.

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