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[quote=utcsox][quote=AN]It’s funny you guys think those poor people are life long republicans. Here’s the 2008 results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008. And here’s 2012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012. Majority of poor people voted for Obama. The common thread is, Hope and Change. So, whoever want to win 2020, they just need to have a hope and change slogan.[/quote]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2016

Majority of poor people voted for Hillary. What’s your point again?[/quote]Sorry, I mean uneducated. Same point, if you want to win, have a hope and change message. It worked the last 3 times.

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It’s funny you guys think those poor people are life long republicans. Here’s the 2008 results: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2008. And here’s 2012: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2012. Majority of poor people voted for Obama. The common thread is, Hope and Change. So, whoever want to win 2020, they just need to have a hope and change slogan.

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[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Hobie][quote]I would argue that a typical silicon valley engineer would be smarter than an oil drill worker in North Dakota.[/quote]

Seriously? The dripping arrogance and elitism of this post makes me ill.

By the way, there is no such thing as an ‘oil drill’.
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Objectively the guy with the higher academic credentials is smarter. Nothing to feel ill about. That’s just the way we define things. Maybe unfair or not that humane but we like objective measures.[/quote]Book smart or street smart?

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[quote=millennial]Though unlike the time when Germany voted for Hitler, our economy is actually pretty good and getting better.[/quote]I think that’s the problem right there. With globalism, economy is quite good for the upper half and the poor of the world. But it has left the poor of this country behind. I think a lot of free trader and globalism people fail to understand and sympathize with those who are adversely affected by globalism. I’m a big free trader who are quite sadden by both major parties backing away from it. But I also sympathize with those disenfranchised and understand their pain and understand why they voted the way they did.

You bring up Hitler in Germany, but I also like to point you to Communist China/Vietnam. The rich kept on getting richer and the cronyism there left a lot of the country behind. Then some eloquent person spoke of how great it would be if they (the poor and disenfranchised, left behind people) can live as good of a live as those corrupt politicians and rich people. And as they say, the rest is history. I’m seeing some similarities here, right now. Which is why we should put down the poor and uneducated who are affected by globalism. We should find way to help them for the sake of our nation’s stability.

Also keep in not everyone vote for him because of the wall. I think many vote for him base on pocket book issue. Why else would 29% of latino would vote for him?

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[quote=millennial]For intellectuals like my friends and I we are also freaked out to the point where it’s hard to sleep at night. The ability for him to control not only the executive and legislative branches but also the judicial is a big deal and based on what he has said you should definitely be scared.[/quote]Take a deep breath. It’ll all be OK. You’re more likely to be killed by a car crash than the thing you’re fearing coming true. Democrats controlled 2 out of the 3 and got everything Obama wanted for 2 years. The Republican were saying to world will end too 8 years ago. Yet, here we are, we’re still OK.

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[quote=millennial]Tell me how do I respond to them?[/quote]
Tell them to take a deep breath and come back to you in a year. I didn’t vote for the guy, don’t even like the guy, but there’s no point is letting the media get you all worked up. The world is not going to end. Put trust in the system and decency of everyday American people. Don’t let the fear mongering of the media and the political class divide us.

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[quote=outtamojo]Yah it’s so difficult to identify with just one political party these days[/quote]Yep, with Trump, the line between the two is even more blurred. But definitely, it seems like small government and free trade is dead. Yay for populism.

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[quote=flyer]That, I can understand to some degree, outtaomojo, but, imo, the secession movement is not about the common good, and is as dangerous as any politician could ever possibly be.

It is comprised primarily of people who are selfishly willing to derail the entire state, just so they can prove their point, even if it ends in disaster–which it most certainly will.[/quote]When Brexit happen, it took the whole world market down and Britain still hasn’t recovered. Just look at where the pound is today. This is a country that’s leaving a union. They already have all of the infrastructure in place to be an autonomous country. CA doesn’t have that and would have to spend a lot of $ to get that. What would happen to the tech economy when the world goes into recession because of it? At the same time, they have to spend a lot of $ to create the infrastructure to be its own country. I don’t see most of the tech company would be around long enough to see CA be its own country. Would CA economy still be as big as it is with the tech industry the size it is today? Coming back from it won’t be easy IMHO.

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[quote=outtamojo]Not advocating secession but the irony of ironies more local control of our tax dollars. Why should I be forced to send tax dollars to areas where people like to fly the confederate flag for example.

https://wallethub.com/edu/states-most-least-dependent-on-the-federal-government/2700/%5B/quote%5D
Isn’t that the whole point of small federal government, so that most of the $ states make will stay in the state? Don’t you see some of the irony there as well? You can’t complain that CA send too much to other states, but then want a bigger federal government. I see irony all around on both side :-D.

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[quote=utcsox][quote=AN][quote=harvey][quote=AN]what are you talking about. Why you even bring up deficit when you said nothing of the sort for the last 7 years.[/quote]

I said nothing about the deficit for seven years because I wasn’t concerned about the deficit then and I’m not concerned about it now. Zero contradiction there.

I’m pointing out that the Republican party can completely abandon its “principles” in a heartbeat. Because they stand for nothing except winning.

[quote]Now, it’s not your party doing, and now it’s a problem. Since I’m part of neither party, I will cheer for the spending that benefit me. Since either of the controlling party care about deficit.[/quote]

I have no more party than you do. The “I’m above it all as an independent” card doesn’t play with me.

Enjoy your handout. If he manages to pull it off, I’ll probably claim it also.[/quote]LoL
“Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.” – President Obama to House Republican Whip Eric Cantor, January 23, 2009[/quote]

So, I guess your team won! Congrat, Mr. Independent.[/quote]Nope, my team didn’t win. I’m just laughing from the sideline at all the butt hurt people when the shoe is on the other foot.

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Can we split up CA into two first before cessation?

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[quote=harvey][quote=AN]what are you talking about. Why you even bring up deficit when you said nothing of the sort for the last 7 years.[/quote]

I said nothing about the deficit for seven years because I wasn’t concerned about the deficit then and I’m not concerned about it now. Zero contradiction there.

I’m pointing out that the Republican party can completely abandon its “principles” in a heartbeat. Because they stand for nothing except winning.

[quote]Now, it’s not your party doing, and now it’s a problem. Since I’m part of neither party, I will cheer for the spending that benefit me. Since either of the controlling party care about deficit.[/quote]

I have no more party than you do. The “I’m above it all as an independent” card doesn’t play with me.

Enjoy your handout. If he manages to pull it off, I’ll probably claim it also.[/quote]LoL
“Elections have consequences, and at the end of the day, I won.” – President Obama to House Republican Whip Eric Cantor, January 23, 2009

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[quote=harvey][quote=AN][quote=harvey]Two of many items on his list that could simply be renamed the “raise the national debt act”

BTW, whatever happened to all the Ron Paul fans?[/quote]
LoL, where’s the outcry about national debt over the last 7 years?[/quote]

Are you joking?

There was constant outcry from the “tea party” and Ron Paul (didn’t I just mention him?) and generally from the Republicans

You know, the party of “fiscal responsibility.”

And now that their guy is promising unfunded entitlements, it is going the Make America Great Again?

The cognitive dissonance is astounding.[/quote]what are you talking about. Why are you even bringing up deficit when you said nothing of the sort for the last 7 years. Now, it’s not your party doing it, and now it’s a problem. Since I’m part of neither party, I will cheer for the spending that benefit me. Since neither of the controlling party care about deficit.

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[quote=harvey]Two of many items on his list that could simply be renamed the “raise the national debt act”

BTW, whatever happened to all the Ron Paul fans?[/quote]
LoL, where’s the outcry about national debt over the last 7 years?

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If he can get School Choice And Education Opportunity Act enacted, I’m willing to ignore all of his other faults.

Gravy would be Middle Class Tax Relief And Simplification Act and Affordable Childcare and Eldercare Act.

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