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ParticipantI agree that the difference in school should be negligible. If one is an 8 on a scale of 10 then the other is a 9. At that point, the capability of your kids will determine their outcome. The reason why I think the price is $120k more @ CV vs 4S is CV is closer to the beach. The closer you are to the ocean, the more expensive it is. That’s just my 2 cents.
ParticipantKB sucks. like matt says – EVERYTHING is an option.
they advertise a low low price to get you interested, and then when you look closer – the friggin doorknobs are an option….
But that same door knobs were an option before and after this price slash, so I don’t see how that makes any difference.ParticipantKB sucks. like matt says – EVERYTHING is an option.
they advertise a low low price to get you interested, and then when you look closer – the friggin doorknobs are an option….
But that same door knobs were an option before and after this price slash, so I don’t see how that makes any difference.ParticipantMy point is that hybrid cars are an entirely Western innovation.
I’m not doubting that Japan is currently the world-leader in getting these into the hands of American Consumers (thanks in no small part to Japanese government regulation). But they are still capitalizing on what is ultimately an American design.
Western innovation is not equal to American design. It wasn’t design in America. I still don’t see your point. You stated that I think there is world of difference between a culture that encourages innovation vs. one of replication (not passing judgment either way). American seems to excel at the former at the expense of the latter where Asia is vice-versa. So you’re saying Asian countries excel in replication and not innovation. Yet, all the innovations that comes into play to get us American the toys we want at a decent price were all done by Asian countries.Yes, but Asian’s account for 60% of the worlds population.
But not all of those 60% can afford to go over here. Don’t forget that majority of those 60% are in extreme poverty. Those people make homeless here look rich. So I don’t get your argument here.And we clearly have the best engineering schools combined with the best opportunities for graduates to make the most money in the global economy. Hence from a purely statistical (not cultural) standpoint it comes as no surprise to me that our institutes of higher education are loaded with foreigners (or their second-gen descendants)
Didn’t I say I agree with you that we have one of the best engineering schools. That’s why people from those Asian countries come over here. They didn’t want to wait for their country to develop a university that will rival the US universities, so they come here to take advantage of the great universities here. It takes time to build a great education system. Asian countries were in a very different state 100 years ago compare to now.ParticipantMy point is that hybrid cars are an entirely Western innovation.
I’m not doubting that Japan is currently the world-leader in getting these into the hands of American Consumers (thanks in no small part to Japanese government regulation). But they are still capitalizing on what is ultimately an American design.
Western innovation is not equal to American design. It wasn’t design in America. I still don’t see your point. You stated that I think there is world of difference between a culture that encourages innovation vs. one of replication (not passing judgment either way). American seems to excel at the former at the expense of the latter where Asia is vice-versa. So you’re saying Asian countries excel in replication and not innovation. Yet, all the innovations that comes into play to get us American the toys we want at a decent price were all done by Asian countries.Yes, but Asian’s account for 60% of the worlds population.
But not all of those 60% can afford to go over here. Don’t forget that majority of those 60% are in extreme poverty. Those people make homeless here look rich. So I don’t get your argument here.And we clearly have the best engineering schools combined with the best opportunities for graduates to make the most money in the global economy. Hence from a purely statistical (not cultural) standpoint it comes as no surprise to me that our institutes of higher education are loaded with foreigners (or their second-gen descendants)
Didn’t I say I agree with you that we have one of the best engineering schools. That’s why people from those Asian countries come over here. They didn’t want to wait for their country to develop a university that will rival the US universities, so they come here to take advantage of the great universities here. It takes time to build a great education system. Asian countries were in a very different state 100 years ago compare to now.ParticipantThanks for the link. So a non-American invented the hybrid system and a non-American took that to the next level and mass produced it. I don’t see your point. You mentioned “Ford pioneered the personal automobile”. But they’re not the one who invented the automobile. They’re just the first to mass produce the automobile. I don’t see how that’s any different than Toyota/Honda taking what GM/Ford did to the next level? You need innovation to improve. Innovation is not only limit to inventing new products.
Saying because America is world-leaders from a technological standpoint the last 100 years doesn’t make it true that it’ll be a technological leader the next 100 years. Tell me who’s the technological leader 200 years ago?
There’s no argument from me that our university structure is superior to the typical Asian counter part, for now. Saying the university is great doesn’t back up your point though. Look at who’s enrolling in those universities in engineering majors.
ParticipantThanks for the link. So a non-American invented the hybrid system and a non-American took that to the next level and mass produced it. I don’t see your point. You mentioned “Ford pioneered the personal automobile”. But they’re not the one who invented the automobile. They’re just the first to mass produce the automobile. I don’t see how that’s any different than Toyota/Honda taking what GM/Ford did to the next level? You need innovation to improve. Innovation is not only limit to inventing new products.
Saying because America is world-leaders from a technological standpoint the last 100 years doesn’t make it true that it’ll be a technological leader the next 100 years. Tell me who’s the technological leader 200 years ago?
There’s no argument from me that our university structure is superior to the typical Asian counter part, for now. Saying the university is great doesn’t back up your point though. Look at who’s enrolling in those universities in engineering majors.
Participant4plexowner, those are some very sobering numbers.
Participant4plexowner, those are some very sobering numbers.
Participantkewp, those articles basically showed the Asian culture drive to succeed through higher education. I don’t see how that’s related to engineering, especially us second generation Asian who went into engineering because we want to, not because we have to.
You think Toyota replicate? Last I check, GM, Ford, Chrysler all tried to replicate Toyota’s manufacturing efficiency. Trying to copy their processes. You can’t innovate until you know your fundamental. It great that Ford manufactured the first car. Coming first doesn’t mean you’re the only one who know how to innovate. Tell me which car company first produced hybrid cars? Which company able to develop more efficient cars? Answers to both those questions are Japanese cars. Japanese auto makers took what Ford started and took that to the next level. That, my friend is innovation.
Participantkewp, those articles basically showed the Asian culture drive to succeed through higher education. I don’t see how that’s related to engineering, especially us second generation Asian who went into engineering because we want to, not because we have to.
You think Toyota replicate? Last I check, GM, Ford, Chrysler all tried to replicate Toyota’s manufacturing efficiency. Trying to copy their processes. You can’t innovate until you know your fundamental. It great that Ford manufactured the first car. Coming first doesn’t mean you’re the only one who know how to innovate. Tell me which car company first produced hybrid cars? Which company able to develop more efficient cars? Answers to both those questions are Japanese cars. Japanese auto makers took what Ford started and took that to the next level. That, my friend is innovation.
ParticipantHowever, in my experience the asian kids are in engineering because they believe its a lucrative career path and/or they are pressured by their parents. Lots of grade-grubbin, not alot of passion for the subject matter. This is in turn reflected by the higher rates of depression and suicide amongst this population.
I’ll have to disagree with this. I’m Asian and an engineer. Many if my friends are Asian and engineers as well. We weren’t pressured by our parents to be engineers. We were pressured by our parents to get higher education. They feel that education will open doors, but nothing specific to engineering. Most of us 2nd generation Asians who become engineers because we love it. We can very well study finance and get our MBA and make much more money, but we chose engineering because that’s our passion. I don’t know where you get depression and suicide from, but I don’t see that and most people I know are Asians who are engineers.I’ll feel otherwise when I’m using an Indian Operating system running on a Chinese microprocessor.
Oh, but you are. I’m sure most of the development done on Windows OS are done by Indian engineers and most of the CPU that run those OS are made in China. It takes time to be #1 but it will happen. Just look at which company is now #1 automaker in the world. It’s the passionless Asian company.ParticipantHowever, in my experience the asian kids are in engineering because they believe its a lucrative career path and/or they are pressured by their parents. Lots of grade-grubbin, not alot of passion for the subject matter. This is in turn reflected by the higher rates of depression and suicide amongst this population.
I’ll have to disagree with this. I’m Asian and an engineer. Many if my friends are Asian and engineers as well. We weren’t pressured by our parents to be engineers. We were pressured by our parents to get higher education. They feel that education will open doors, but nothing specific to engineering. Most of us 2nd generation Asians who become engineers because we love it. We can very well study finance and get our MBA and make much more money, but we chose engineering because that’s our passion. I don’t know where you get depression and suicide from, but I don’t see that and most people I know are Asians who are engineers.I’ll feel otherwise when I’m using an Indian Operating system running on a Chinese microprocessor.
Oh, but you are. I’m sure most of the development done on Windows OS are done by Indian engineers and most of the CPU that run those OS are made in China. It takes time to be #1 but it will happen. Just look at which company is now #1 automaker in the world. It’s the passionless Asian company.Participantdrunkle, I concur. There was such thing called affirmative action. It was supposed to help other minorities but end up hurting the Asian students. I know people who had great grades, great SAT score and did a lot of extra curricular activities but was rejected from some UC school because there was enough Asian there already. Luckily, it was abolished.
Regarding alternative methods, I concur as well. However, it would help even more if they’re forced to do everything in their head. The more you practice that, the faster you become. That’s how people from overseas can do those calculation so quickly in their head. It’s through years of practice. When you make students show their work, you’re basically slow their thinking down because they have to write it down. Which would then limit their thinking to one calculation at a time.
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