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ParticipantI would argue that Obama is losing support because he’s not been transformative enough, not because he’s been exposed as a “leftist ideologue.” He ran on being the spearhead of a movement of “out with the old, in with the new” and what we’ve ended up with is more of the same. This frustrates his supporters and the majority of the independents that voted for him, hence his falling poll numbers. Of course those on the right think that he’s going to far, but the majority who elected him are being let down by him not doing enough. I think he will realize this after giving “bipartisanism” a chance and adjust course, so I’m not going to write him off just yet.
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ParticipantI would argue that Obama is losing support because he’s not been transformative enough, not because he’s been exposed as a “leftist ideologue.” He ran on being the spearhead of a movement of “out with the old, in with the new” and what we’ve ended up with is more of the same. This frustrates his supporters and the majority of the independents that voted for him, hence his falling poll numbers. Of course those on the right think that he’s going to far, but the majority who elected him are being let down by him not doing enough. I think he will realize this after giving “bipartisanism” a chance and adjust course, so I’m not going to write him off just yet.
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Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]culminating with the thoroughly vile Pelosi accusing average citizens of being “un-American” for engaging in the most basic right (1st Amendment) of all: Assembling and speaking out about an issue that gravely concerns them.[/quote]
Allan, would you agree that taking away someone’s right to free speech un-American?
Were the people that Pelosi was referring to exercising their right to free speech or were they preventing others from exercising theirs?
I’m not a fan of Pelosi, and I don’t necessarily agree with what she said, but there is an important distinction here. Furthermore, I fully support “Obama = Hitler” signs and questions about death panels. But there’s quite a difference between “speaking out about an issue” and disrupting civil discourse for the sake of disruption. What about the poor old lady who wanted to ask how she will be able to afford her meds but couldn’t ask because she was shouted down by some loonies? What about her 1st Amendment right?
But overall I agree with you that the Dems are being a bunch of tools at the moment.
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Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]culminating with the thoroughly vile Pelosi accusing average citizens of being “un-American” for engaging in the most basic right (1st Amendment) of all: Assembling and speaking out about an issue that gravely concerns them.[/quote]
Allan, would you agree that taking away someone’s right to free speech un-American?
Were the people that Pelosi was referring to exercising their right to free speech or were they preventing others from exercising theirs?
I’m not a fan of Pelosi, and I don’t necessarily agree with what she said, but there is an important distinction here. Furthermore, I fully support “Obama = Hitler” signs and questions about death panels. But there’s quite a difference between “speaking out about an issue” and disrupting civil discourse for the sake of disruption. What about the poor old lady who wanted to ask how she will be able to afford her meds but couldn’t ask because she was shouted down by some loonies? What about her 1st Amendment right?
But overall I agree with you that the Dems are being a bunch of tools at the moment.
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Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]culminating with the thoroughly vile Pelosi accusing average citizens of being “un-American” for engaging in the most basic right (1st Amendment) of all: Assembling and speaking out about an issue that gravely concerns them.[/quote]
Allan, would you agree that taking away someone’s right to free speech un-American?
Were the people that Pelosi was referring to exercising their right to free speech or were they preventing others from exercising theirs?
I’m not a fan of Pelosi, and I don’t necessarily agree with what she said, but there is an important distinction here. Furthermore, I fully support “Obama = Hitler” signs and questions about death panels. But there’s quite a difference between “speaking out about an issue” and disrupting civil discourse for the sake of disruption. What about the poor old lady who wanted to ask how she will be able to afford her meds but couldn’t ask because she was shouted down by some loonies? What about her 1st Amendment right?
But overall I agree with you that the Dems are being a bunch of tools at the moment.
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Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]culminating with the thoroughly vile Pelosi accusing average citizens of being “un-American” for engaging in the most basic right (1st Amendment) of all: Assembling and speaking out about an issue that gravely concerns them.[/quote]
Allan, would you agree that taking away someone’s right to free speech un-American?
Were the people that Pelosi was referring to exercising their right to free speech or were they preventing others from exercising theirs?
I’m not a fan of Pelosi, and I don’t necessarily agree with what she said, but there is an important distinction here. Furthermore, I fully support “Obama = Hitler” signs and questions about death panels. But there’s quite a difference between “speaking out about an issue” and disrupting civil discourse for the sake of disruption. What about the poor old lady who wanted to ask how she will be able to afford her meds but couldn’t ask because she was shouted down by some loonies? What about her 1st Amendment right?
But overall I agree with you that the Dems are being a bunch of tools at the moment.
afx114
Participant[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]culminating with the thoroughly vile Pelosi accusing average citizens of being “un-American” for engaging in the most basic right (1st Amendment) of all: Assembling and speaking out about an issue that gravely concerns them.[/quote]
Allan, would you agree that taking away someone’s right to free speech un-American?
Were the people that Pelosi was referring to exercising their right to free speech or were they preventing others from exercising theirs?
I’m not a fan of Pelosi, and I don’t necessarily agree with what she said, but there is an important distinction here. Furthermore, I fully support “Obama = Hitler” signs and questions about death panels. But there’s quite a difference between “speaking out about an issue” and disrupting civil discourse for the sake of disruption. What about the poor old lady who wanted to ask how she will be able to afford her meds but couldn’t ask because she was shouted down by some loonies? What about her 1st Amendment right?
But overall I agree with you that the Dems are being a bunch of tools at the moment.
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ParticipantNice site. Might I recommend using the excellent Google Charts API:
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ParticipantNice site. Might I recommend using the excellent Google Charts API:
http://code.google.com/apis/chart/
Allows you to make charts as neat and pretty as the ones you see in Google Analytics and Google Finance.
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