[4Sbuyer2002]

4S Ranch = most fire safe community in San Diego.
(See full thread discussion here http://piggington.com/4_closure_ranch_errr_scratch_that_fire_proof_ranch_new_nickname_ )

First of all you are “new” to San Diego and as many newbies “ill informed.” If you were informed you would now that Southern California “wild fires” are caused by only one thing . . . strong Santa Ana winds. There may be many other fires caused by a variety of sources doing damage to a one to a couple of homes here or there but, the only cause of “wild fires” which cause the loss of hundrends of homes is . . . the “Santa Ana” winds. As a “new” and “ill informed” “newby” to San Diego let me educate you. Santa Ana winds are caused by a high pressure system over the Great Basin (Southern Nevada and Southern Utah). See here for more on “Santa Ana” winds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Ana_wind . Santa Ana winds have one consistent characteristic . . . they blow to the west from the east. They are an “offshore” wind. Every place that has EVER lost large numbers of homes in a “Santa Ana” firestorm has had undeveloped areas of brush and wild land to the east of it.

4S Ranch is virtually immune to Santa Ana driven firestorms for two basic reasons: 1) All of Carmel Mountain Ranch and Poway are immediately to the east of most of 4S Ranch except the very northern edge of 4S. For any wildfire to affect the 15-20 miles of suburban development represented by Carmel Mountain Ranch and all of Poway would have to burn to the ground first. 2) 4S is built with fire safe features that no other homes in all of San Diego possess, aside from a few other communities built with the same standards. See story here http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#. Other communities designed with the same features but were directly in the path of the fire emerged totally unscathed. See here http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/weekinreview/28odonnell.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin. The Fire Marshall for 4S Ranch recommends you DO NOT EVACUATE in the even of a wildfire. Your risk of getting in your car and attempting to navigate the roads while everyone else who doesn’t live in a “shelter in place” of exceeds the risk of staying. Its so safe there is no need to evacuate. See here http://www.rsf-fire.org/education/programs/adult_shelterinplace.asp.

Finally, the most recent fires were considered the worst on record. A particular shelter in place community, Cielo, was directly in the path of said fire. Not a single home was damaged. The worst wild fire in record burned up to the community, burned around it, and left it completely undamaged by fire. The fire then continued beyond Cielo to burn dozens of homes in Rancho Santa Fe.
http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

Finally, in addition to the “wild fire” protection the same features also provided superior protection from every day negligence which could lead to a house fire. See here http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf .

Your ignorance is excused . . . as you say you are “newtosandiego.” But as a “newby” get informed before you come on here claiming to be some kind of “professional” spewing incorrect facts. If you want your family to be safe from fires . . . buy in shelter in place community like 4S.

In search of a crystal ball . . . .

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

4S Ranch = most fire safe community in San Diego.
(See full thread discussion here http://piggington.com/4_closure_ranch_errr_scratch_that_fire_proof_ranch_new_nickname_ )

First of all you are “new” to San Diego and as many newbies “ill informed.” If you were informed you would now that Southern California “wild fires” are caused by only one thing . . . strong Santa Ana winds. There may be many other fires caused by a variety of sources doing damage to a one to a couple of homes here or there but, the only cause of “wild fires” which cause the loss of hundrends of homes is . . . the “Santa Ana” winds. As a “new” and “ill informed” “newby” to San Diego let me educate you. Santa Ana winds are caused by a high pressure system over the Great Basin (Southern Nevada and Southern Utah). See here for more on “Santa Ana” winds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Ana_wind . Santa Ana winds have one consistent characteristic . . . they blow to the west from the east. They are an “offshore” wind. Every place that has EVER lost large numbers of homes in a “Santa Ana” firestorm has had undeveloped areas of brush and wild land to the east of it.

4S Ranch is virtually immune to Santa Ana driven firestorms for two basic reasons: 1) All of Carmel Mountain Ranch and Poway are immediately to the east of most of 4S Ranch except the very northern edge of 4S. For any wildfire to affect the 15-20 miles of suburban development represented by Carmel Mountain Ranch and all of Poway would have to burn to the ground first. 2) 4S is built with fire safe features that no other homes in all of San Diego possess, aside from a few other communities built with the same standards. See story here http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#. Other communities designed with the same features but were directly in the path of the fire emerged totally unscathed. See here http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/weekinreview/28odonnell.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin. The Fire Marshall for 4S Ranch recommends you DO NOT EVACUATE in the even of a wildfire. Your risk of getting in your car and attempting to navigate the roads while everyone else who doesn’t live in a “shelter in place” of exceeds the risk of staying. Its so safe there is no need to evacuate. See here http://www.rsf-fire.org/education/programs/adult_shelterinplace.asp.

Finally, the most recent fires were considered the worst on record. A particular shelter in place community, Cielo, was directly in the path of said fire. Not a single home was damaged. The worst wild fire in record burned up to the community, burned around it, and left it completely undamaged by fire. The fire then continued beyond Cielo to burn dozens of homes in Rancho Santa Fe.
http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

Finally, in addition to the “wild fire” protection the same features also provided superior protection from every day negligence which could lead to a house fire. See here http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf .

Your ignorance is excused . . . as you say you are “newtosandiego.” But as a “newby” get informed before you come on here claiming to be some kind of “professional” spewing incorrect facts. If you want your family to be safe from fires . . . buy in shelter in place community like 4S.

In search of a crystal ball . . . .

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

4S Ranch = most fire safe community in San Diego.
(See full thread discussion here http://piggington.com/4_closure_ranch_errr_scratch_that_fire_proof_ranch_new_nickname_ )

First of all you are “new” to San Diego and as many newbies “ill informed.” If you were informed you would now that Southern California “wild fires” are caused by only one thing . . . strong Santa Ana winds. There may be many other fires caused by a variety of sources doing damage to a one to a couple of homes here or there but, the only cause of “wild fires” which cause the loss of hundrends of homes is . . . the “Santa Ana” winds. As a “new” and “ill informed” “newby” to San Diego let me educate you. Santa Ana winds are caused by a high pressure system over the Great Basin (Southern Nevada and Southern Utah). See here for more on “Santa Ana” winds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Ana_wind . Santa Ana winds have one consistent characteristic . . . they blow to the west from the east. They are an “offshore” wind. Every place that has EVER lost large numbers of homes in a “Santa Ana” firestorm has had undeveloped areas of brush and wild land to the east of it.

4S Ranch is virtually immune to Santa Ana driven firestorms for two basic reasons: 1) All of Carmel Mountain Ranch and Poway are immediately to the east of most of 4S Ranch except the very northern edge of 4S. For any wildfire to affect the 15-20 miles of suburban development represented by Carmel Mountain Ranch and all of Poway would have to burn to the ground first. 2) 4S is built with fire safe features that no other homes in all of San Diego possess, aside from a few other communities built with the same standards. See story here http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#. Other communities designed with the same features but were directly in the path of the fire emerged totally unscathed. See here http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/weekinreview/28odonnell.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin. The Fire Marshall for 4S Ranch recommends you DO NOT EVACUATE in the even of a wildfire. Your risk of getting in your car and attempting to navigate the roads while everyone else who doesn’t live in a “shelter in place” of exceeds the risk of staying. Its so safe there is no need to evacuate. See here http://www.rsf-fire.org/education/programs/adult_shelterinplace.asp.

Finally, the most recent fires were considered the worst on record. A particular shelter in place community, Cielo, was directly in the path of said fire. Not a single home was damaged. The worst wild fire in record burned up to the community, burned around it, and left it completely undamaged by fire. The fire then continued beyond Cielo to burn dozens of homes in Rancho Santa Fe.
http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

Finally, in addition to the “wild fire” protection the same features also provided superior protection from every day negligence which could lead to a house fire. See here http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf .

Your ignorance is excused . . . as you say you are “newtosandiego.” But as a “newby” get informed before you come on here claiming to be some kind of “professional” spewing incorrect facts. If you want your family to be safe from fires . . . buy in shelter in place community like 4S.

In search of a crystal ball . . . .

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

4S Ranch = most fire safe community in San Diego.
(See full thread discussion here http://piggington.com/4_closure_ranch_errr_scratch_that_fire_proof_ranch_new_nickname_ )

First of all you are “new” to San Diego and as many newbies “ill informed.” If you were informed you would now that Southern California “wild fires” are caused by only one thing . . . strong Santa Ana winds. There may be many other fires caused by a variety of sources doing damage to a one to a couple of homes here or there but, the only cause of “wild fires” which cause the loss of hundrends of homes is . . . the “Santa Ana” winds. As a “new” and “ill informed” “newby” to San Diego let me educate you. Santa Ana winds are caused by a high pressure system over the Great Basin (Southern Nevada and Southern Utah). See here for more on “Santa Ana” winds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Ana_wind . Santa Ana winds have one consistent characteristic . . . they blow to the west from the east. They are an “offshore” wind. Every place that has EVER lost large numbers of homes in a “Santa Ana” firestorm has had undeveloped areas of brush and wild land to the east of it.

4S Ranch is virtually immune to Santa Ana driven firestorms for two basic reasons: 1) All of Carmel Mountain Ranch and Poway are immediately to the east of most of 4S Ranch except the very northern edge of 4S. For any wildfire to affect the 15-20 miles of suburban development represented by Carmel Mountain Ranch and all of Poway would have to burn to the ground first. 2) 4S is built with fire safe features that no other homes in all of San Diego possess, aside from a few other communities built with the same standards. See story here http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#. Other communities designed with the same features but were directly in the path of the fire emerged totally unscathed. See here http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/weekinreview/28odonnell.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin. The Fire Marshall for 4S Ranch recommends you DO NOT EVACUATE in the even of a wildfire. Your risk of getting in your car and attempting to navigate the roads while everyone else who doesn’t live in a “shelter in place” of exceeds the risk of staying. Its so safe there is no need to evacuate. See here http://www.rsf-fire.org/education/programs/adult_shelterinplace.asp.

Finally, the most recent fires were considered the worst on record. A particular shelter in place community, Cielo, was directly in the path of said fire. Not a single home was damaged. The worst wild fire in record burned up to the community, burned around it, and left it completely undamaged by fire. The fire then continued beyond Cielo to burn dozens of homes in Rancho Santa Fe.
http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

Finally, in addition to the “wild fire” protection the same features also provided superior protection from every day negligence which could lead to a house fire. See here http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf .

Your ignorance is excused . . . as you say you are “newtosandiego.” But as a “newby” get informed before you come on here claiming to be some kind of “professional” spewing incorrect facts. If you want your family to be safe from fires . . . buy in shelter in place community like 4S.

In search of a crystal ball . . . .

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

4S Ranch = most fire safe community in San Diego.
(See full thread discussion here http://piggington.com/4_closure_ranch_errr_scratch_that_fire_proof_ranch_new_nickname_ )

First of all you are “new” to San Diego and as many newbies “ill informed.” If you were informed you would now that Southern California “wild fires” are caused by only one thing . . . strong Santa Ana winds. There may be many other fires caused by a variety of sources doing damage to a one to a couple of homes here or there but, the only cause of “wild fires” which cause the loss of hundrends of homes is . . . the “Santa Ana” winds. As a “new” and “ill informed” “newby” to San Diego let me educate you. Santa Ana winds are caused by a high pressure system over the Great Basin (Southern Nevada and Southern Utah). See here for more on “Santa Ana” winds http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santa_Ana_wind . Santa Ana winds have one consistent characteristic . . . they blow to the west from the east. They are an “offshore” wind. Every place that has EVER lost large numbers of homes in a “Santa Ana” firestorm has had undeveloped areas of brush and wild land to the east of it.

4S Ranch is virtually immune to Santa Ana driven firestorms for two basic reasons: 1) All of Carmel Mountain Ranch and Poway are immediately to the east of most of 4S Ranch except the very northern edge of 4S. For any wildfire to affect the 15-20 miles of suburban development represented by Carmel Mountain Ranch and all of Poway would have to burn to the ground first. 2) 4S is built with fire safe features that no other homes in all of San Diego possess, aside from a few other communities built with the same standards. See story here http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#. Other communities designed with the same features but were directly in the path of the fire emerged totally unscathed. See here http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/weekinreview/28odonnell.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin. The Fire Marshall for 4S Ranch recommends you DO NOT EVACUATE in the even of a wildfire. Your risk of getting in your car and attempting to navigate the roads while everyone else who doesn’t live in a “shelter in place” of exceeds the risk of staying. Its so safe there is no need to evacuate. See here http://www.rsf-fire.org/education/programs/adult_shelterinplace.asp.

Finally, the most recent fires were considered the worst on record. A particular shelter in place community, Cielo, was directly in the path of said fire. Not a single home was damaged. The worst wild fire in record burned up to the community, burned around it, and left it completely undamaged by fire. The fire then continued beyond Cielo to burn dozens of homes in Rancho Santa Fe.
http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

Finally, in addition to the “wild fire” protection the same features also provided superior protection from every day negligence which could lead to a house fire. See here http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf .

Your ignorance is excused . . . as you say you are “newtosandiego.” But as a “newby” get informed before you come on here claiming to be some kind of “professional” spewing incorrect facts. If you want your family to be safe from fires . . . buy in shelter in place community like 4S.

In search of a crystal ball . . . .

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Yea . . . but the FACT remains 1) Himmel’s home is NOT part of 4S Ranch. It is perched (was perched) on a hillside surrounded by brush in all directions. A hill above and outside 4S Ranch. His home was not built by 4S builders and was not held to the strict standards touted (not by me) but by the Ranch Santa Fe Fire Marshall himself. Himmel’s home is a complete apples and oranges fallacious analogy. Second fact, the northern edge of 4S Ranch was in the direct path of the fire and YET . . . not one home was even damaged. Many beyond (50+) in Rancho Santa Fe burned to the ground. Third fact, the fire Marshall of Rancho Santa Fe advises people to NOT EVACUATE but to STAY IN YOUR HOME. IF . . . you live in a designated “Shelter in Place” community like 4S Ranch. Pine away all you want about “hot fires” . . . etc. 4S Ranch and the other communities built with the same standards are very well protected from wildfires. If they were in such danger of from wildfires you would think that a) when the worst wildfires in history hit So. California, and b) the homes in northern 4S are in the direct path of said “worst fire” that c) at least one home would be at least damaged . . . right??? But . . . none were. All the proof you need combined with the wise wisdom of a true wildfire expert (Rancho Santa Fe Fire Marshall) that 4S Ranch is as safe as you can be from wildfires AND that it is indeed safer to stay in your home than evacuate. Not my opinion but the facts born by history and the advice of the fire marshall.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Yea . . . but the FACT remains 1) Himmel’s home is NOT part of 4S Ranch. It is perched (was perched) on a hillside surrounded by brush in all directions. A hill above and outside 4S Ranch. His home was not built by 4S builders and was not held to the strict standards touted (not by me) but by the Ranch Santa Fe Fire Marshall himself. Himmel’s home is a complete apples and oranges fallacious analogy. Second fact, the northern edge of 4S Ranch was in the direct path of the fire and YET . . . not one home was even damaged. Many beyond (50+) in Rancho Santa Fe burned to the ground. Third fact, the fire Marshall of Rancho Santa Fe advises people to NOT EVACUATE but to STAY IN YOUR HOME. IF . . . you live in a designated “Shelter in Place” community like 4S Ranch. Pine away all you want about “hot fires” . . . etc. 4S Ranch and the other communities built with the same standards are very well protected from wildfires. If they were in such danger of from wildfires you would think that a) when the worst wildfires in history hit So. California, and b) the homes in northern 4S are in the direct path of said “worst fire” that c) at least one home would be at least damaged . . . right??? But . . . none were. All the proof you need combined with the wise wisdom of a true wildfire expert (Rancho Santa Fe Fire Marshall) that 4S Ranch is as safe as you can be from wildfires AND that it is indeed safer to stay in your home than evacuate. Not my opinion but the facts born by history and the advice of the fire marshall.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Yea . . . but the FACT remains 1) Himmel’s home is NOT part of 4S Ranch. It is perched (was perched) on a hillside surrounded by brush in all directions. A hill above and outside 4S Ranch. His home was not built by 4S builders and was not held to the strict standards touted (not by me) but by the Ranch Santa Fe Fire Marshall himself. Himmel’s home is a complete apples and oranges fallacious analogy. Second fact, the northern edge of 4S Ranch was in the direct path of the fire and YET . . . not one home was even damaged. Many beyond (50+) in Rancho Santa Fe burned to the ground. Third fact, the fire Marshall of Rancho Santa Fe advises people to NOT EVACUATE but to STAY IN YOUR HOME. IF . . . you live in a designated “Shelter in Place” community like 4S Ranch. Pine away all you want about “hot fires” . . . etc. 4S Ranch and the other communities built with the same standards are very well protected from wildfires. If they were in such danger of from wildfires you would think that a) when the worst wildfires in history hit So. California, and b) the homes in northern 4S are in the direct path of said “worst fire” that c) at least one home would be at least damaged . . . right??? But . . . none were. All the proof you need combined with the wise wisdom of a true wildfire expert (Rancho Santa Fe Fire Marshall) that 4S Ranch is as safe as you can be from wildfires AND that it is indeed safer to stay in your home than evacuate. Not my opinion but the facts born by history and the advice of the fire marshall.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Yea . . . but the FACT remains 1) Himmel’s home is NOT part of 4S Ranch. It is perched (was perched) on a hillside surrounded by brush in all directions. A hill above and outside 4S Ranch. His home was not built by 4S builders and was not held to the strict standards touted (not by me) but by the Ranch Santa Fe Fire Marshall himself. Himmel’s home is a complete apples and oranges fallacious analogy. Second fact, the northern edge of 4S Ranch was in the direct path of the fire and YET . . . not one home was even damaged. Many beyond (50+) in Rancho Santa Fe burned to the ground. Third fact, the fire Marshall of Rancho Santa Fe advises people to NOT EVACUATE but to STAY IN YOUR HOME. IF . . . you live in a designated “Shelter in Place” community like 4S Ranch. Pine away all you want about “hot fires” . . . etc. 4S Ranch and the other communities built with the same standards are very well protected from wildfires. If they were in such danger of from wildfires you would think that a) when the worst wildfires in history hit So. California, and b) the homes in northern 4S are in the direct path of said “worst fire” that c) at least one home would be at least damaged . . . right??? But . . . none were. All the proof you need combined with the wise wisdom of a true wildfire expert (Rancho Santa Fe Fire Marshall) that 4S Ranch is as safe as you can be from wildfires AND that it is indeed safer to stay in your home than evacuate. Not my opinion but the facts born by history and the advice of the fire marshall.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Yea . . . but the FACT remains 1) Himmel’s home is NOT part of 4S Ranch. It is perched (was perched) on a hillside surrounded by brush in all directions. A hill above and outside 4S Ranch. His home was not built by 4S builders and was not held to the strict standards touted (not by me) but by the Ranch Santa Fe Fire Marshall himself. Himmel’s home is a complete apples and oranges fallacious analogy. Second fact, the northern edge of 4S Ranch was in the direct path of the fire and YET . . . not one home was even damaged. Many beyond (50+) in Rancho Santa Fe burned to the ground. Third fact, the fire Marshall of Rancho Santa Fe advises people to NOT EVACUATE but to STAY IN YOUR HOME. IF . . . you live in a designated “Shelter in Place” community like 4S Ranch. Pine away all you want about “hot fires” . . . etc. 4S Ranch and the other communities built with the same standards are very well protected from wildfires. If they were in such danger of from wildfires you would think that a) when the worst wildfires in history hit So. California, and b) the homes in northern 4S are in the direct path of said “worst fire” that c) at least one home would be at least damaged . . . right??? But . . . none were. All the proof you need combined with the wise wisdom of a true wildfire expert (Rancho Santa Fe Fire Marshall) that 4S Ranch is as safe as you can be from wildfires AND that it is indeed safer to stay in your home than evacuate. Not my opinion but the facts born by history and the advice of the fire marshall.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Another ignorant uniformed comment. FYI . . . I am in law enforcement, I worked the fire (elsewhere in San Diego), AND I live in 4S Ranch. As to “survive such a firestorm” thats exactly what 4S Ranch did in the October fire. The northern edge of 4S was in the direct path of the fire. The fire burned up to the edge, burned around, and burned past. Not a single home in 4S was even damaged, even slightly damaged. I personally watched the whole thing as it was occurring. After burning past 4S it burned up to and around homes in the Crosby (built according to same standards in terms of “shelter in place” for fires as 4S) again not even slightly damaging a single home. After burning past 4S, the Crosby, Cielo, and Bridges (also built according to same standards) the fire came to the eastern edge of Rancho Santa Fe. Here the same fire which passed 4S, Crosby, and Bridges without a SINGLE HOME BEING EVEN DAMAGED, the fire burned 60+ homes in Rancho Santa Fe. These homes of course were older and NOT built according to the same standard. Its a FACT, 4S while obviously not “fireproof” (nothing is) is very fire resistant and very safe from . . . Santa Ana wind driven wildfires. In fact if these types of fires are your concern . . . living in a home such as those in 4S, Crosby, Bridges etc is your best and safest bet. This is not my opinion but a confirmed and validated fact in the post fire analysis. See it here for yourself.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#

Some excerpts:

“Exclusive homes emerge unscathed as fire-protection concept is tested”

–A disputed land-use strategy designed to protect new developments from devastation in the county’s exurban, fire-prone areas appears to have passed its first and most critical test this week.

As the Witch Creek fire raced through some of San Diego County’s priciest neighborhoods and crept to the edge of others north and east of Rancho Santa Fe, not a single home in the five subdivisions that have implemented the strategy was lost, fire authorities said.

. . .

The five communities, all within the Rancho Santa Fe fire district, are the only ones in the county where the plan has been adopted.

. . . .

Local fire officials say the unscathed homes speak for themselves.

“I believe shelter in place made the difference in this case,” Santa Fe Fire Marshal Cliff Hunter said (uh . . . that would be a loca “Fire” official that knows) “The bottom line is if you build appropriately and place the houses appropriately, and the landscaping and vegetation are appropriate, the homes should still be there.”

. . . .

Probably the most dramatic example of that is Cielo, a development of 178 multimillion-dollar custom homes that escaped damage despite a blaze that blackened hillsides all around it.

“It’s quite amazing,” said Mike Andrews, a superintendent for Rancho Cielo Estates, developer of the subdivision. “When you look up at the homes from the bottom of the hill, you see that the whole hill is black until you get within 100 feet of that house, and from there up to the house, it’s green.

“I was just blown away to see how well everything worked.”

. . . .

Common requirements for homes built in the shelter-in-place communities include indoor fire sprinklers, noncombustible roofs, wide roads and driveways for firefighting equipment and 100 feet of defensible space around homes with irrigated, fire-resistant plants

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Of course nothing is “fire proof” but for the types of fires that have damaged San Diego over the past several years no home in San Diego, except those right on the coast, are more protected from these fires than the homes in 4S Ranch. Moreover, the 4S Ranch homes have much better added protection for the higher probability fire risk of a home fire making the 4S homes the safest in San Diego when it comes to fire danger of all types. . . period. Its just a fact.

See here for story on sprinkler system in 4S quickly dousing negligence caused house fire that would have burned typical house to the ground.

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Another ignorant uniformed comment. FYI . . . I am in law enforcement, I worked the fire (elsewhere in San Diego), AND I live in 4S Ranch. As to “survive such a firestorm” thats exactly what 4S Ranch did in the October fire. The northern edge of 4S was in the direct path of the fire. The fire burned up to the edge, burned around, and burned past. Not a single home in 4S was even damaged, even slightly damaged. I personally watched the whole thing as it was occurring. After burning past 4S it burned up to and around homes in the Crosby (built according to same standards in terms of “shelter in place” for fires as 4S) again not even slightly damaging a single home. After burning past 4S, the Crosby, Cielo, and Bridges (also built according to same standards) the fire came to the eastern edge of Rancho Santa Fe. Here the same fire which passed 4S, Crosby, and Bridges without a SINGLE HOME BEING EVEN DAMAGED, the fire burned 60+ homes in Rancho Santa Fe. These homes of course were older and NOT built according to the same standard. Its a FACT, 4S while obviously not “fireproof” (nothing is) is very fire resistant and very safe from . . . Santa Ana wind driven wildfires. In fact if these types of fires are your concern . . . living in a home such as those in 4S, Crosby, Bridges etc is your best and safest bet. This is not my opinion but a confirmed and validated fact in the post fire analysis. See it here for yourself.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#

Some excerpts:

“Exclusive homes emerge unscathed as fire-protection concept is tested”

–A disputed land-use strategy designed to protect new developments from devastation in the county’s exurban, fire-prone areas appears to have passed its first and most critical test this week.

As the Witch Creek fire raced through some of San Diego County’s priciest neighborhoods and crept to the edge of others north and east of Rancho Santa Fe, not a single home in the five subdivisions that have implemented the strategy was lost, fire authorities said.

. . .

The five communities, all within the Rancho Santa Fe fire district, are the only ones in the county where the plan has been adopted.

. . . .

Local fire officials say the unscathed homes speak for themselves.

“I believe shelter in place made the difference in this case,” Santa Fe Fire Marshal Cliff Hunter said (uh . . . that would be a loca “Fire” official that knows) “The bottom line is if you build appropriately and place the houses appropriately, and the landscaping and vegetation are appropriate, the homes should still be there.”

. . . .

Probably the most dramatic example of that is Cielo, a development of 178 multimillion-dollar custom homes that escaped damage despite a blaze that blackened hillsides all around it.

“It’s quite amazing,” said Mike Andrews, a superintendent for Rancho Cielo Estates, developer of the subdivision. “When you look up at the homes from the bottom of the hill, you see that the whole hill is black until you get within 100 feet of that house, and from there up to the house, it’s green.

“I was just blown away to see how well everything worked.”

. . . .

Common requirements for homes built in the shelter-in-place communities include indoor fire sprinklers, noncombustible roofs, wide roads and driveways for firefighting equipment and 100 feet of defensible space around homes with irrigated, fire-resistant plants

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Of course nothing is “fire proof” but for the types of fires that have damaged San Diego over the past several years no home in San Diego, except those right on the coast, are more protected from these fires than the homes in 4S Ranch. Moreover, the 4S Ranch homes have much better added protection for the higher probability fire risk of a home fire making the 4S homes the safest in San Diego when it comes to fire danger of all types. . . period. Its just a fact.

See here for story on sprinkler system in 4S quickly dousing negligence caused house fire that would have burned typical house to the ground.

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Another ignorant uniformed comment. FYI . . . I am in law enforcement, I worked the fire (elsewhere in San Diego), AND I live in 4S Ranch. As to “survive such a firestorm” thats exactly what 4S Ranch did in the October fire. The northern edge of 4S was in the direct path of the fire. The fire burned up to the edge, burned around, and burned past. Not a single home in 4S was even damaged, even slightly damaged. I personally watched the whole thing as it was occurring. After burning past 4S it burned up to and around homes in the Crosby (built according to same standards in terms of “shelter in place” for fires as 4S) again not even slightly damaging a single home. After burning past 4S, the Crosby, Cielo, and Bridges (also built according to same standards) the fire came to the eastern edge of Rancho Santa Fe. Here the same fire which passed 4S, Crosby, and Bridges without a SINGLE HOME BEING EVEN DAMAGED, the fire burned 60+ homes in Rancho Santa Fe. These homes of course were older and NOT built according to the same standard. Its a FACT, 4S while obviously not “fireproof” (nothing is) is very fire resistant and very safe from . . . Santa Ana wind driven wildfires. In fact if these types of fires are your concern . . . living in a home such as those in 4S, Crosby, Bridges etc is your best and safest bet. This is not my opinion but a confirmed and validated fact in the post fire analysis. See it here for yourself.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#

Some excerpts:

“Exclusive homes emerge unscathed as fire-protection concept is tested”

–A disputed land-use strategy designed to protect new developments from devastation in the county’s exurban, fire-prone areas appears to have passed its first and most critical test this week.

As the Witch Creek fire raced through some of San Diego County’s priciest neighborhoods and crept to the edge of others north and east of Rancho Santa Fe, not a single home in the five subdivisions that have implemented the strategy was lost, fire authorities said.

. . .

The five communities, all within the Rancho Santa Fe fire district, are the only ones in the county where the plan has been adopted.

. . . .

Local fire officials say the unscathed homes speak for themselves.

“I believe shelter in place made the difference in this case,” Santa Fe Fire Marshal Cliff Hunter said (uh . . . that would be a loca “Fire” official that knows) “The bottom line is if you build appropriately and place the houses appropriately, and the landscaping and vegetation are appropriate, the homes should still be there.”

. . . .

Probably the most dramatic example of that is Cielo, a development of 178 multimillion-dollar custom homes that escaped damage despite a blaze that blackened hillsides all around it.

“It’s quite amazing,” said Mike Andrews, a superintendent for Rancho Cielo Estates, developer of the subdivision. “When you look up at the homes from the bottom of the hill, you see that the whole hill is black until you get within 100 feet of that house, and from there up to the house, it’s green.

“I was just blown away to see how well everything worked.”

. . . .

Common requirements for homes built in the shelter-in-place communities include indoor fire sprinklers, noncombustible roofs, wide roads and driveways for firefighting equipment and 100 feet of defensible space around homes with irrigated, fire-resistant plants

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Of course nothing is “fire proof” but for the types of fires that have damaged San Diego over the past several years no home in San Diego, except those right on the coast, are more protected from these fires than the homes in 4S Ranch. Moreover, the 4S Ranch homes have much better added protection for the higher probability fire risk of a home fire making the 4S homes the safest in San Diego when it comes to fire danger of all types. . . period. Its just a fact.

See here for story on sprinkler system in 4S quickly dousing negligence caused house fire that would have burned typical house to the ground.

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Another ignorant uniformed comment. FYI . . . I am in law enforcement, I worked the fire (elsewhere in San Diego), AND I live in 4S Ranch. As to “survive such a firestorm” thats exactly what 4S Ranch did in the October fire. The northern edge of 4S was in the direct path of the fire. The fire burned up to the edge, burned around, and burned past. Not a single home in 4S was even damaged, even slightly damaged. I personally watched the whole thing as it was occurring. After burning past 4S it burned up to and around homes in the Crosby (built according to same standards in terms of “shelter in place” for fires as 4S) again not even slightly damaging a single home. After burning past 4S, the Crosby, Cielo, and Bridges (also built according to same standards) the fire came to the eastern edge of Rancho Santa Fe. Here the same fire which passed 4S, Crosby, and Bridges without a SINGLE HOME BEING EVEN DAMAGED, the fire burned 60+ homes in Rancho Santa Fe. These homes of course were older and NOT built according to the same standard. Its a FACT, 4S while obviously not “fireproof” (nothing is) is very fire resistant and very safe from . . . Santa Ana wind driven wildfires. In fact if these types of fires are your concern . . . living in a home such as those in 4S, Crosby, Bridges etc is your best and safest bet. This is not my opinion but a confirmed and validated fact in the post fire analysis. See it here for yourself.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#

Some excerpts:

“Exclusive homes emerge unscathed as fire-protection concept is tested”

–A disputed land-use strategy designed to protect new developments from devastation in the county’s exurban, fire-prone areas appears to have passed its first and most critical test this week.

As the Witch Creek fire raced through some of San Diego County’s priciest neighborhoods and crept to the edge of others north and east of Rancho Santa Fe, not a single home in the five subdivisions that have implemented the strategy was lost, fire authorities said.

. . .

The five communities, all within the Rancho Santa Fe fire district, are the only ones in the county where the plan has been adopted.

. . . .

Local fire officials say the unscathed homes speak for themselves.

“I believe shelter in place made the difference in this case,” Santa Fe Fire Marshal Cliff Hunter said (uh . . . that would be a loca “Fire” official that knows) “The bottom line is if you build appropriately and place the houses appropriately, and the landscaping and vegetation are appropriate, the homes should still be there.”

. . . .

Probably the most dramatic example of that is Cielo, a development of 178 multimillion-dollar custom homes that escaped damage despite a blaze that blackened hillsides all around it.

“It’s quite amazing,” said Mike Andrews, a superintendent for Rancho Cielo Estates, developer of the subdivision. “When you look up at the homes from the bottom of the hill, you see that the whole hill is black until you get within 100 feet of that house, and from there up to the house, it’s green.

“I was just blown away to see how well everything worked.”

. . . .

Common requirements for homes built in the shelter-in-place communities include indoor fire sprinklers, noncombustible roofs, wide roads and driveways for firefighting equipment and 100 feet of defensible space around homes with irrigated, fire-resistant plants

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Of course nothing is “fire proof” but for the types of fires that have damaged San Diego over the past several years no home in San Diego, except those right on the coast, are more protected from these fires than the homes in 4S Ranch. Moreover, the 4S Ranch homes have much better added protection for the higher probability fire risk of a home fire making the 4S homes the safest in San Diego when it comes to fire danger of all types. . . period. Its just a fact.

See here for story on sprinkler system in 4S quickly dousing negligence caused house fire that would have burned typical house to the ground.

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Another ignorant uniformed comment. FYI . . . I am in law enforcement, I worked the fire (elsewhere in San Diego), AND I live in 4S Ranch. As to “survive such a firestorm” thats exactly what 4S Ranch did in the October fire. The northern edge of 4S was in the direct path of the fire. The fire burned up to the edge, burned around, and burned past. Not a single home in 4S was even damaged, even slightly damaged. I personally watched the whole thing as it was occurring. After burning past 4S it burned up to and around homes in the Crosby (built according to same standards in terms of “shelter in place” for fires as 4S) again not even slightly damaging a single home. After burning past 4S, the Crosby, Cielo, and Bridges (also built according to same standards) the fire came to the eastern edge of Rancho Santa Fe. Here the same fire which passed 4S, Crosby, and Bridges without a SINGLE HOME BEING EVEN DAMAGED, the fire burned 60+ homes in Rancho Santa Fe. These homes of course were older and NOT built according to the same standard. Its a FACT, 4S while obviously not “fireproof” (nothing is) is very fire resistant and very safe from . . . Santa Ana wind driven wildfires. In fact if these types of fires are your concern . . . living in a home such as those in 4S, Crosby, Bridges etc is your best and safest bet. This is not my opinion but a confirmed and validated fact in the post fire analysis. See it here for yourself.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#

Some excerpts:

“Exclusive homes emerge unscathed as fire-protection concept is tested”

–A disputed land-use strategy designed to protect new developments from devastation in the county’s exurban, fire-prone areas appears to have passed its first and most critical test this week.

As the Witch Creek fire raced through some of San Diego County’s priciest neighborhoods and crept to the edge of others north and east of Rancho Santa Fe, not a single home in the five subdivisions that have implemented the strategy was lost, fire authorities said.

. . .

The five communities, all within the Rancho Santa Fe fire district, are the only ones in the county where the plan has been adopted.

. . . .

Local fire officials say the unscathed homes speak for themselves.

“I believe shelter in place made the difference in this case,” Santa Fe Fire Marshal Cliff Hunter said (uh . . . that would be a loca “Fire” official that knows) “The bottom line is if you build appropriately and place the houses appropriately, and the landscaping and vegetation are appropriate, the homes should still be there.”

. . . .

Probably the most dramatic example of that is Cielo, a development of 178 multimillion-dollar custom homes that escaped damage despite a blaze that blackened hillsides all around it.

“It’s quite amazing,” said Mike Andrews, a superintendent for Rancho Cielo Estates, developer of the subdivision. “When you look up at the homes from the bottom of the hill, you see that the whole hill is black until you get within 100 feet of that house, and from there up to the house, it’s green.

“I was just blown away to see how well everything worked.”

. . . .

Common requirements for homes built in the shelter-in-place communities include indoor fire sprinklers, noncombustible roofs, wide roads and driveways for firefighting equipment and 100 feet of defensible space around homes with irrigated, fire-resistant plants

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Of course nothing is “fire proof” but for the types of fires that have damaged San Diego over the past several years no home in San Diego, except those right on the coast, are more protected from these fires than the homes in 4S Ranch. Moreover, the 4S Ranch homes have much better added protection for the higher probability fire risk of a home fire making the 4S homes the safest in San Diego when it comes to fire danger of all types. . . period. Its just a fact.

See here for story on sprinkler system in 4S quickly dousing negligence caused house fire that would have burned typical house to the ground.

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

grateful owner . . . .

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