[4Sbuyer2002]

“People do not die in sprinkled homes,” said Samuel Oates, San Diego’s fire marshal.

and yes it does make fire insurance much cheaper . . . alot cheaper.

“Sprinklers could reduce the average cost of fire insurance by about $900 a year, from $1,500 to $600, said Chris Smith, a vice president of Fireman’s Fund, one of the state’s largest business-property insurers.”

“We’re a strong supporter of sprinklers. It’s lifesaving,” Smith said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20070408-9999-1n8sprinkle.html

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

“People do not die in sprinkled homes,” said Samuel Oates, San Diego’s fire marshal.

and yes it does make fire insurance much cheaper . . . alot cheaper.

“Sprinklers could reduce the average cost of fire insurance by about $900 a year, from $1,500 to $600, said Chris Smith, a vice president of Fireman’s Fund, one of the state’s largest business-property insurers.”

“We’re a strong supporter of sprinklers. It’s lifesaving,” Smith said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20070408-9999-1n8sprinkle.html

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

“Why do I sense so much animosity towards 4Sbuyer’s suggestion that those homes have been built better for fire resistance?”

Psst (whisper in ear) because they hate, despise, and attack anything which is a positive for the RE market because they are bitter (damn I should of bought back in 1999-2000!) and pessimistic until they become homeowners themselves (if ever???) and then they will do a 180. Essentially a selfish position infected with a dose of jealousy. On several threads you have people dancing on the burned ashes of others homes. Its rather pathetic.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

“Why do I sense so much animosity towards 4Sbuyer’s suggestion that those homes have been built better for fire resistance?”

Psst (whisper in ear) because they hate, despise, and attack anything which is a positive for the RE market because they are bitter (damn I should of bought back in 1999-2000!) and pessimistic until they become homeowners themselves (if ever???) and then they will do a 180. Essentially a selfish position infected with a dose of jealousy. On several threads you have people dancing on the burned ashes of others homes. Its rather pathetic.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

“Why do I sense so much animosity towards 4Sbuyer’s suggestion that those homes have been built better for fire resistance?”

Psst (whisper in ear) because they hate, despise, and attack anything which is a positive for the RE market because they are bitter (damn I should of bought back in 1999-2000!) and pessimistic until they become homeowners themselves (if ever???) and then they will do a 180. Essentially a selfish position infected with a dose of jealousy. On several threads you have people dancing on the burned ashes of others homes. Its rather pathetic.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

You guys don’t pay attention. I never said anything about 4S not losing value. Its lost value, it is losing value, and it will continue to lose value for a time. The ONLY point I made was that “all things being equal” (i.e. all of SD in a downward RE spiral) 4S has unique added value in that it is built with “fire resistant” technology. A very valuable asset in San Diego these days. My only point is that 4S has valuable features built in that most other homes do not have. This will make a difference in the minds of buyers (thus I am here :-)) but its not going to stop the declining values of 4S RE, although it may slow or limit the decline. If I were a buyer on the fence between buying in 4S or elsewhere and I were aware of these facts of 4S construction it would definitely make me lean towards buying the 4S home as opposed to another I was equally considering elsewhere. Lets at least agree on the following: 1: Fires which burn homes are bad (you still with me?) and 2: homes less prone to burn due to modern contruction technology are good (still there?), and 3: 4S has this modern technology while many ohter homes don’t(an indisputable fact). Anyone who does not 100% agree on the previous three points please respond and explain yourself.

And on the benefits or not of new housing. Don’t quote me some environmentalist wacko.

“Shelter in place doesn’t change the fact you’re building in a danger zone,” said anti-sprawl activist Duncan McFetridge, president of Save Our Forest and Ranchlands .

He’s the type of person who would like to bulldoze all of SD and give in all back to the half brained spotted snail farter birds or some other obscure animal, insect, bug. His comments on fire safety of homes is worthless compared to the fire chief’s opinions.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

You guys don’t pay attention. I never said anything about 4S not losing value. Its lost value, it is losing value, and it will continue to lose value for a time. The ONLY point I made was that “all things being equal” (i.e. all of SD in a downward RE spiral) 4S has unique added value in that it is built with “fire resistant” technology. A very valuable asset in San Diego these days. My only point is that 4S has valuable features built in that most other homes do not have. This will make a difference in the minds of buyers (thus I am here :-)) but its not going to stop the declining values of 4S RE, although it may slow or limit the decline. If I were a buyer on the fence between buying in 4S or elsewhere and I were aware of these facts of 4S construction it would definitely make me lean towards buying the 4S home as opposed to another I was equally considering elsewhere. Lets at least agree on the following: 1: Fires which burn homes are bad (you still with me?) and 2: homes less prone to burn due to modern contruction technology are good (still there?), and 3: 4S has this modern technology while many ohter homes don’t(an indisputable fact). Anyone who does not 100% agree on the previous three points please respond and explain yourself.

And on the benefits or not of new housing. Don’t quote me some environmentalist wacko.

“Shelter in place doesn’t change the fact you’re building in a danger zone,” said anti-sprawl activist Duncan McFetridge, president of Save Our Forest and Ranchlands .

He’s the type of person who would like to bulldoze all of SD and give in all back to the half brained spotted snail farter birds or some other obscure animal, insect, bug. His comments on fire safety of homes is worthless compared to the fire chief’s opinions.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

You guys don’t pay attention. I never said anything about 4S not losing value. Its lost value, it is losing value, and it will continue to lose value for a time. The ONLY point I made was that “all things being equal” (i.e. all of SD in a downward RE spiral) 4S has unique added value in that it is built with “fire resistant” technology. A very valuable asset in San Diego these days. My only point is that 4S has valuable features built in that most other homes do not have. This will make a difference in the minds of buyers (thus I am here :-)) but its not going to stop the declining values of 4S RE, although it may slow or limit the decline. If I were a buyer on the fence between buying in 4S or elsewhere and I were aware of these facts of 4S construction it would definitely make me lean towards buying the 4S home as opposed to another I was equally considering elsewhere. Lets at least agree on the following: 1: Fires which burn homes are bad (you still with me?) and 2: homes less prone to burn due to modern contruction technology are good (still there?), and 3: 4S has this modern technology while many ohter homes don’t(an indisputable fact). Anyone who does not 100% agree on the previous three points please respond and explain yourself.

And on the benefits or not of new housing. Don’t quote me some environmentalist wacko.

“Shelter in place doesn’t change the fact you’re building in a danger zone,” said anti-sprawl activist Duncan McFetridge, president of Save Our Forest and Ranchlands .

He’s the type of person who would like to bulldoze all of SD and give in all back to the half brained spotted snail farter birds or some other obscure animal, insect, bug. His comments on fire safety of homes is worthless compared to the fire chief’s opinions.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

“The Fire District encourages the use of sprinklers and other preparedness measures as a means of promoting fire-safe communities.” (Their words not mine)

Another fine example of the fire resistant technology built into 4S Ranch homes and how it gives added protection from fire compared to other homes and other communities in San Diego (even if you have a hair brained home owner throwing burning cigarrete butts onto flammable material in his garage). 4S homes are all separately plumbed with their own fire sprinkler system which is pressurized and distinct from the normal plumbing (I’m sure this cost me a small fortune). The water supply to the sprinkler systems is prioritized at the same level as the fire hydrants on the street. There are dozens of fire sprinklers on the cieling throughout my house including 4 sprinklers in the attic suspended just below the roof and a sprinkler outside of the front door (presumably to give a sprinkler protected escape route through the front door).

“The sprinkler definitely saved this home, and possibly the lives of those in the home,” said Captain Fred Cox, who responded to the call. “If there had not been a working sprinkler system in place, the fire would have spread very rapidly before anyone inside noticed. By that time, it would have been difficult to save the home and those inside could have been severely injured.”

. . .

“This is the fourth time in the last two years that sprinklers have extinguished a structure fire within the RSFFPD. In each scenario, the heat from the fire activated the nearest sprinkler head, immediately dousing the flames with water, minimizing property loss and injuries.”

Read . . . normal home burns to ground with potential loss of life. Same situation 4S Ranch home = $500 damage to the junk in your garage and a singed hand. Thats the difference between 4S Ranch and other homes not built with the same technology.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

“The Fire District encourages the use of sprinklers and other preparedness measures as a means of promoting fire-safe communities.” (Their words not mine)

Another fine example of the fire resistant technology built into 4S Ranch homes and how it gives added protection from fire compared to other homes and other communities in San Diego (even if you have a hair brained home owner throwing burning cigarrete butts onto flammable material in his garage). 4S homes are all separately plumbed with their own fire sprinkler system which is pressurized and distinct from the normal plumbing (I’m sure this cost me a small fortune). The water supply to the sprinkler systems is prioritized at the same level as the fire hydrants on the street. There are dozens of fire sprinklers on the cieling throughout my house including 4 sprinklers in the attic suspended just below the roof and a sprinkler outside of the front door (presumably to give a sprinkler protected escape route through the front door).

“The sprinkler definitely saved this home, and possibly the lives of those in the home,” said Captain Fred Cox, who responded to the call. “If there had not been a working sprinkler system in place, the fire would have spread very rapidly before anyone inside noticed. By that time, it would have been difficult to save the home and those inside could have been severely injured.”

. . .

“This is the fourth time in the last two years that sprinklers have extinguished a structure fire within the RSFFPD. In each scenario, the heat from the fire activated the nearest sprinkler head, immediately dousing the flames with water, minimizing property loss and injuries.”

Read . . . normal home burns to ground with potential loss of life. Same situation 4S Ranch home = $500 damage to the junk in your garage and a singed hand. Thats the difference between 4S Ranch and other homes not built with the same technology.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

“The Fire District encourages the use of sprinklers and other preparedness measures as a means of promoting fire-safe communities.” (Their words not mine)

Another fine example of the fire resistant technology built into 4S Ranch homes and how it gives added protection from fire compared to other homes and other communities in San Diego (even if you have a hair brained home owner throwing burning cigarrete butts onto flammable material in his garage). 4S homes are all separately plumbed with their own fire sprinkler system which is pressurized and distinct from the normal plumbing (I’m sure this cost me a small fortune). The water supply to the sprinkler systems is prioritized at the same level as the fire hydrants on the street. There are dozens of fire sprinklers on the cieling throughout my house including 4 sprinklers in the attic suspended just below the roof and a sprinkler outside of the front door (presumably to give a sprinkler protected escape route through the front door).

“The sprinkler definitely saved this home, and possibly the lives of those in the home,” said Captain Fred Cox, who responded to the call. “If there had not been a working sprinkler system in place, the fire would have spread very rapidly before anyone inside noticed. By that time, it would have been difficult to save the home and those inside could have been severely injured.”

. . .

“This is the fourth time in the last two years that sprinklers have extinguished a structure fire within the RSFFPD. In each scenario, the heat from the fire activated the nearest sprinkler head, immediately dousing the flames with water, minimizing property loss and injuries.”

Read . . . normal home burns to ground with potential loss of life. Same situation 4S Ranch home = $500 damage to the junk in your garage and a singed hand. Thats the difference between 4S Ranch and other homes not built with the same technology.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Hmmm . . . hard time reading the “fire resistant” comment. Of course nothing is fire proof. On the “lit like a Christmas tree” comment see the words of the experts as laid out in the article as to why 4S would not have been lit like a Christmas tree. It was specifically designed so it wouldn’t. Also, by Tuesday the fires had burned past 4S and were in Crosby and Rancho Santa Fe. The only fire east of 4S was in far east Poway east of Espola road (yea all of Carmel Mtn Ranch and all of Poway are essential a big 10 mile defensible space to the east of 4S). I know because I did not evacuate 4S and spent all of Monday, Monday night, and Tuesday on the hill with the water tower next to 4S watching the fire and where it was going (police scanner, GPS, KOGO radio, binoculars, NO-DOZ, water, Dr. Pepper, and 30 second sprint down the paved road from the water tower if necessary). Like the fire chief’s comment with respect to Cielo, any fire would have burned up to and then around leaving the homes untouched. Cielo was directly (build with exact same fire resistant standards as 4S) in the path of the fires on late Monday evening (again I know because I saw it first hand) when the winds were still intense. Cielo suffered no damage. As to why this has “anything” to do with what is ordinarily discussed here? We discuss RE values here. The excellent points made about 4S in the article highlight a true value of 4S real estate that is not well known. Especially now if a prospective home buyer is looking to buy in SD, all other things being equal, they would consider the fire RESISTANT technology and construction design of 4S a huge plus. Psychology in this market is everything. If 4S is less likely to burn than other places people will be more likley to buy here, it will make 4S more in demand on a relative basis, and be somewhat supportive of home values. No offense JWM but I’ll choose to see your “Christmas tree” comment as ignorant and biased (you are praying values continue to drop) and go with the words of the experts AS LAID OUT IN THE ARTICLE.

I am heart broken and sad for those who lost their homes. They are in my prayers.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Hmmm . . . hard time reading the “fire resistant” comment. Of course nothing is fire proof. On the “lit like a Christmas tree” comment see the words of the experts as laid out in the article as to why 4S would not have been lit like a Christmas tree. It was specifically designed so it wouldn’t. Also, by Tuesday the fires had burned past 4S and were in Crosby and Rancho Santa Fe. The only fire east of 4S was in far east Poway east of Espola road (yea all of Carmel Mtn Ranch and all of Poway are essential a big 10 mile defensible space to the east of 4S). I know because I did not evacuate 4S and spent all of Monday, Monday night, and Tuesday on the hill with the water tower next to 4S watching the fire and where it was going (police scanner, GPS, KOGO radio, binoculars, NO-DOZ, water, Dr. Pepper, and 30 second sprint down the paved road from the water tower if necessary). Like the fire chief’s comment with respect to Cielo, any fire would have burned up to and then around leaving the homes untouched. Cielo was directly (build with exact same fire resistant standards as 4S) in the path of the fires on late Monday evening (again I know because I saw it first hand) when the winds were still intense. Cielo suffered no damage. As to why this has “anything” to do with what is ordinarily discussed here? We discuss RE values here. The excellent points made about 4S in the article highlight a true value of 4S real estate that is not well known. Especially now if a prospective home buyer is looking to buy in SD, all other things being equal, they would consider the fire RESISTANT technology and construction design of 4S a huge plus. Psychology in this market is everything. If 4S is less likely to burn than other places people will be more likley to buy here, it will make 4S more in demand on a relative basis, and be somewhat supportive of home values. No offense JWM but I’ll choose to see your “Christmas tree” comment as ignorant and biased (you are praying values continue to drop) and go with the words of the experts AS LAID OUT IN THE ARTICLE.

I am heart broken and sad for those who lost their homes. They are in my prayers.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Hmmm . . . hard time reading the “fire resistant” comment. Of course nothing is fire proof. On the “lit like a Christmas tree” comment see the words of the experts as laid out in the article as to why 4S would not have been lit like a Christmas tree. It was specifically designed so it wouldn’t. Also, by Tuesday the fires had burned past 4S and were in Crosby and Rancho Santa Fe. The only fire east of 4S was in far east Poway east of Espola road (yea all of Carmel Mtn Ranch and all of Poway are essential a big 10 mile defensible space to the east of 4S). I know because I did not evacuate 4S and spent all of Monday, Monday night, and Tuesday on the hill with the water tower next to 4S watching the fire and where it was going (police scanner, GPS, KOGO radio, binoculars, NO-DOZ, water, Dr. Pepper, and 30 second sprint down the paved road from the water tower if necessary). Like the fire chief’s comment with respect to Cielo, any fire would have burned up to and then around leaving the homes untouched. Cielo was directly (build with exact same fire resistant standards as 4S) in the path of the fires on late Monday evening (again I know because I saw it first hand) when the winds were still intense. Cielo suffered no damage. As to why this has “anything” to do with what is ordinarily discussed here? We discuss RE values here. The excellent points made about 4S in the article highlight a true value of 4S real estate that is not well known. Especially now if a prospective home buyer is looking to buy in SD, all other things being equal, they would consider the fire RESISTANT technology and construction design of 4S a huge plus. Psychology in this market is everything. If 4S is less likely to burn than other places people will be more likley to buy here, it will make 4S more in demand on a relative basis, and be somewhat supportive of home values. No offense JWM but I’ll choose to see your “Christmas tree” comment as ignorant and biased (you are praying values continue to drop) and go with the words of the experts AS LAID OUT IN THE ARTICLE.

I am heart broken and sad for those who lost their homes. They are in my prayers.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

I rest my case with respect to 4S being significantly less fire prone. 4S is one of only 5 communities in all of San Diego to have adopted the most stringent fire resistant building standards per what expert??? Non other than the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Chief . . . he’s the expert pointing out that 4S Ranch is more protected against this type of fire than other areas. This article couldn’t have made my points ay better. Another excellent benefit of living in 4S Ranch 🙂 Just face it . . . my arguments are sound and right and yours are wrong. Every realtor or homeseller in 4S should print out this article and hand to each prospective buyer. A great selling point for the homes in 4S! 🙂 xoxo

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#

“As the Witch Creek fire raced through some of San Diego County’s priciest neighborhoods and crept to the edge of others north and east of Rancho Santa Fe, not a single home in the five subdivisions that have implemented the strategy was lost, fire authorities said.”

. . .

“The communities, which together cover hundreds of acres, are The Bridges, The Crosby, Cielo, Santa Fe Valley and 4S Ranch.”

“It is a wildfire protection plan that imposes construction and landscaping standards intended to be so stringent – including mandatory interior fire sprinklers and broad swaths of protective landscaping – that homeowners can remain sheltered in their houses if they cannot evacuate.”

“The five communities, all within the Rancho Santa Fe fire district, are the only ones in the county where the plan has been adopted.”

“A correctly managed shelter-in-place community reduces the fuel levels in proximity to the properties to such an extent that they cannot support a fire,”

“I believe shelter in place made the difference in this case,” Rancho Santa Fe Fire Marshal Cliff Hunter said. “The bottom line is if you build appropriately and place the houses appropriately, and the landscaping and vegetation are appropriate, the homes should still be there.”

“Common requirements for homes built in the shelter-in-place communities include indoor fire sprinklers, noncombustible roofs, wide roads and driveways for firefighting equipment and 100 feet of defensible space around homes with irrigated, fire-resistant plants.”

grateful owner . . . .

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