[4Sbuyer2002]

If your ruling out places based on vulnerability to fire . . . don’t rule out 4S Ranch. 4S Ranch and four other recently built communities in the Rancho Santa Fe fire district are probably the safest homes from fire ANYWHERE in San Diego. Not a single 4S home burned.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#

The homes in 4S have been lauded as a model of how homes should be constructed in order to be “fire safe.”

The homes are deemed so safe that the fire department recommends you DO NOT evacuate during a wildfire like we had last week. The dangers inherent in evacuation are actually greater than staying in your home.
http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

The homes in 4S have a variety of integrated features designed to make them “fire safe.”
http://www.rsf-fire.org/education/programs/adult_shelterinplace.asp

Moreover, firestorms like last month aside, even when some hairbrained 4S homeowner throws burning material into their garage with other combustibles and inevitably a fire starts. The fire safe features of the homes are so good the fires are immediately and automatically extinguished with little damage and no harm to occupants.
http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

Being nearer to the coast most likely wont make you safer for either of two reasons. 1) the homes are older and don’t have newer “fire safe” features, and 2) being right on the coast is NOT a gaurantee you aren’t going to be wiped out by a firestorm. Examples are Malibu in the most recent fires and most notably. Laguna Beach, CA in 1993
http://www.light-headed.com/asite/laguna/laguna_history/laguna_beach_fire.php

and the Oakland, CA fires of 1991.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Hills_firestorm

Rather than being close to the coast to protect you from fire, you are better off (in terms of fire protection) to buy a newer home with newer “fire safe” technology intergrated into the homes. 4S homes are the among the very safest from fires anywhere in San Diego.

There are pluses and minuses to 4S. And reasons to buy in 4S or not. However, in your original post you excluded 4S due to “fire danger.” That is not a reason to exclude 4S. In fact if you are worried about fires. 4S should be at the top of your list. Not my 2 cents but that of the experts quoted in the articles linked to herein.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

If your ruling out places based on vulnerability to fire . . . don’t rule out 4S Ranch. 4S Ranch and four other recently built communities in the Rancho Santa Fe fire district are probably the safest homes from fire ANYWHERE in San Diego. Not a single 4S home burned.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#

The homes in 4S have been lauded as a model of how homes should be constructed in order to be “fire safe.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/weekinreview/28odonnell.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

The homes are deemed so safe that the fire department recommends you DO NOT evacuate during a wildfire like we had last week. The dangers inherent in evacuation are actually greater than staying in your home.
http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

The homes in 4S have a variety of integrated features designed to make them “fire safe.”
http://www.rsf-fire.org/education/programs/adult_shelterinplace.asp

Moreover, firestorms like last month aside, even when some hairbrained 4S homeowner throws burning material into their garage with other combustibles and inevitably a fire starts. The fire safe features of the homes are so good the fires are immediately and automatically extinguished with little damage and no harm to occupants.
http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

Being nearer to the coast most likely wont make you safer for either of two reasons. 1) the homes are older and don’t have newer “fire safe” features, and 2) being right on the coast is NOT a gaurantee you aren’t going to be wiped out by a firestorm. Examples are Malibu in the most recent fires and most notably. Laguna Beach, CA in 1993
http://www.light-headed.com/asite/laguna/laguna_history/laguna_beach_fire.php

and the Oakland, CA fires of 1991.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Hills_firestorm

Rather than being close to the coast to protect you from fire, you are better off (in terms of fire protection) to buy a newer home with newer “fire safe” technology intergrated into the homes. 4S homes are the among the very safest from fires anywhere in San Diego.

There are pluses and minuses to 4S. And reasons to buy in 4S or not. However, in your original post you excluded 4S due to “fire danger.” That is not a reason to exclude 4S. In fact if you are worried about fires. 4S should be at the top of your list. Not my 2 cents but that of the experts quoted in the articles linked to herein.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

If your ruling out places based on vulnerability to fire . . . don’t rule out 4S Ranch. 4S Ranch and four other recently built communities in the Rancho Santa Fe fire district are probably the safest homes from fire ANYWHERE in San Diego. Not a single 4S home burned.
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20071025/news_1n25stay.html#

The homes in 4S have been lauded as a model of how homes should be constructed in order to be “fire safe.”

The homes are deemed so safe that the fire department recommends you DO NOT evacuate during a wildfire like we had last week. The dangers inherent in evacuation are actually greater than staying in your home.
http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

The homes in 4S have a variety of integrated features designed to make them “fire safe.”
http://www.rsf-fire.org/education/programs/adult_shelterinplace.asp

Moreover, firestorms like last month aside, even when some hairbrained 4S homeowner throws burning material into their garage with other combustibles and inevitably a fire starts. The fire safe features of the homes are so good the fires are immediately and automatically extinguished with little damage and no harm to occupants.
http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/news/news_releases/2005/100605%20Cayenne%20Creek%20Fire.pdf

Being nearer to the coast most likely wont make you safer for either of two reasons. 1) the homes are older and don’t have newer “fire safe” features, and 2) being right on the coast is NOT a gaurantee you aren’t going to be wiped out by a firestorm. Examples are Malibu in the most recent fires and most notably. Laguna Beach, CA in 1993
http://www.light-headed.com/asite/laguna/laguna_history/laguna_beach_fire.php

and the Oakland, CA fires of 1991.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oakland_Hills_firestorm

Rather than being close to the coast to protect you from fire, you are better off (in terms of fire protection) to buy a newer home with newer “fire safe” technology intergrated into the homes. 4S homes are the among the very safest from fires anywhere in San Diego.

There are pluses and minuses to 4S. And reasons to buy in 4S or not. However, in your original post you excluded 4S due to “fire danger.” That is not a reason to exclude 4S. In fact if you are worried about fires. 4S should be at the top of your list. Not my 2 cents but that of the experts quoted in the articles linked to herein.

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Great PDF Brochure by Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dept. on “Shelter in Place” concept of fire resistant construction found in newer communities within the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dist. which include

The Bridges
4S Ranch
Cielo
The Crosby Estates
Santa Fe Valley

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Great PDF Brochure by Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dept. on “Shelter in Place” concept of fire resistant construction found in newer communities within the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dist. which include

The Bridges
4S Ranch
Cielo
The Crosby Estates
Santa Fe Valley

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Great PDF Brochure by Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dept. on “Shelter in Place” concept of fire resistant construction found in newer communities within the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dist. which include

The Bridges
4S Ranch
Cielo
The Crosby Estates
Santa Fe Valley

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Great PDF Brochure by Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dept. on “Shelter in Place” concept of fire resistant construction found in newer communities within the Rancho Santa Fe Fire Dist. which include

The Bridges
4S Ranch
Cielo
The Crosby Estates
Santa Fe Valley

http://www.rsf-fire.org/assets/documents/education/preparedness/SIP_for_web.pdf

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Don’t listen to Prufrock. He’s wrong. Here is a list of homes “destroyed” in Rancho Santa Fe. 64 “destroyed” and 24 “damaged.” BTW the source of the information is the Rancho Santa Fe fire department.

http://www.rsf-fire.org/news/witch_creek_info.asp

Confirmed Destroyed (by Damage Assessment) 64 homes destroyed.

20043 2nd Place
20115 2nd Place
20230 Ash Lane
16910 Avenida Luis
16924 Avenida Luis
16925 Avenida Luis
20215 Beech Lane
6139 Calle Camposeco
6146 Calle Camposeco
7861 Calle Dos Lagos
17511 Caminito de los Escoses
17577 Caminito de los Escoses
17326 Camino Santa Fe
17326 Camino Brisa Del Mar
17450 Camino Brisa Del Mar
17475 Camino Brisa Del Mar
9527 Camino Santa Fe
9584 Camino Santa Fe
6125 Camino Selva
6129 Camino Selva
6131 Camino Selva
7683 Del DIos Highway
8175 Del Dios Highway
9821 Del Dios Highway
9823 Del Dios Highway
20127 3rd
TBD 3rd
17089 El Mirador
17134 El Mirador
17136 El Mirador
17007 El Vuelo
17116 El Vuelo
16725 El Zorro Vista
9728 Juniper Lane
9730 Juniper Lane
9727 Juniper Lane
20024 Kalmia Lane
9732 Kalmia Lane
17221 La Brisa
17237 Las Brisa
17345 La Brisa
Lake Drive and Juniper (no number)
20102 Lake Drive
20112 Lake Drive
20116 Lake Drive
20264 Lake Drive
20278 Lake Drive
7035 Las Colinas
6777 La Valle Plateada
17400 Rancho Del Rio
17403 Rancho Del Rio
17417 Rancho Del Rio
17455 Rancho Del Rio
18527 Rancho Del Rio
7872 Rio Senda
16827 Via de la Valle
7097 Via Monalex
7499 Vista Rancho Court
16501 Zumaque Street
16526 Zumaque Street
16583 Zumaque Street
16655 Zumaque Street
16729 Zumaque Street
16755 Zumaque Street

and here is the list of “Damaged” homes

Confirmed Damaged (by Damage Assessment) 24 homes damaged.

20110 3rd
6103 Avenida Picacho
5990 Calle Camposeco
5992 Calle Camposeco
6039 Calle Camposeco
6151 Calle Camposeco
17516 Caminito de los Escoses
17578 Caminito de los Escoses
10110 Camino San Thomas
20120 Date Lane
17077 El Mirador
17109 El Vuelo
17111 El Vuelo
17133 El Vuelo
16765 El Zorro Vista
17204 La Brisa
17211 La Brisa
16650 Las Cuestas
11650 Los Barbos
16501 Los Barbos
17509 Rancho Del Rio
16429 Via a la Casa
16715 Via de la Valle
16765 Zumaque Street

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Don’t listen to Prufrock. He’s wrong. Here is a list of homes “destroyed” in Rancho Santa Fe. 64 “destroyed” and 24 “damaged.” BTW the source of the information is the Rancho Santa Fe fire department.

http://www.rsf-fire.org/news/witch_creek_info.asp

Confirmed Destroyed (by Damage Assessment) 64 homes destroyed.

20043 2nd Place
20115 2nd Place
20230 Ash Lane
16910 Avenida Luis
16924 Avenida Luis
16925 Avenida Luis
20215 Beech Lane
6139 Calle Camposeco
6146 Calle Camposeco
7861 Calle Dos Lagos
17511 Caminito de los Escoses
17577 Caminito de los Escoses
17326 Camino Santa Fe
17326 Camino Brisa Del Mar
17450 Camino Brisa Del Mar
17475 Camino Brisa Del Mar
9527 Camino Santa Fe
9584 Camino Santa Fe
6125 Camino Selva
6129 Camino Selva
6131 Camino Selva
7683 Del DIos Highway
8175 Del Dios Highway
9821 Del Dios Highway
9823 Del Dios Highway
20127 3rd
TBD 3rd
17089 El Mirador
17134 El Mirador
17136 El Mirador
17007 El Vuelo
17116 El Vuelo
16725 El Zorro Vista
9728 Juniper Lane
9730 Juniper Lane
9727 Juniper Lane
20024 Kalmia Lane
9732 Kalmia Lane
17221 La Brisa
17237 Las Brisa
17345 La Brisa
Lake Drive and Juniper (no number)
20102 Lake Drive
20112 Lake Drive
20116 Lake Drive
20264 Lake Drive
20278 Lake Drive
7035 Las Colinas
6777 La Valle Plateada
17400 Rancho Del Rio
17403 Rancho Del Rio
17417 Rancho Del Rio
17455 Rancho Del Rio
18527 Rancho Del Rio
7872 Rio Senda
16827 Via de la Valle
7097 Via Monalex
7499 Vista Rancho Court
16501 Zumaque Street
16526 Zumaque Street
16583 Zumaque Street
16655 Zumaque Street
16729 Zumaque Street
16755 Zumaque Street

and here is the list of “Damaged” homes

Confirmed Damaged (by Damage Assessment) 24 homes damaged.

20110 3rd
6103 Avenida Picacho
5990 Calle Camposeco
5992 Calle Camposeco
6039 Calle Camposeco
6151 Calle Camposeco
17516 Caminito de los Escoses
17578 Caminito de los Escoses
10110 Camino San Thomas
20120 Date Lane
17077 El Mirador
17109 El Vuelo
17111 El Vuelo
17133 El Vuelo
16765 El Zorro Vista
17204 La Brisa
17211 La Brisa
16650 Las Cuestas
11650 Los Barbos
16501 Los Barbos
17509 Rancho Del Rio
16429 Via a la Casa
16715 Via de la Valle
16765 Zumaque Street

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Don’t listen to Prufrock. He’s wrong. Here is a list of homes “destroyed” in Rancho Santa Fe. 64 “destroyed” and 24 “damaged.” BTW the source of the information is the Rancho Santa Fe fire department.

http://www.rsf-fire.org/news/witch_creek_info.asp

Confirmed Destroyed (by Damage Assessment) 64 homes destroyed.

20043 2nd Place
20115 2nd Place
20230 Ash Lane
16910 Avenida Luis
16924 Avenida Luis
16925 Avenida Luis
20215 Beech Lane
6139 Calle Camposeco
6146 Calle Camposeco
7861 Calle Dos Lagos
17511 Caminito de los Escoses
17577 Caminito de los Escoses
17326 Camino Santa Fe
17326 Camino Brisa Del Mar
17450 Camino Brisa Del Mar
17475 Camino Brisa Del Mar
9527 Camino Santa Fe
9584 Camino Santa Fe
6125 Camino Selva
6129 Camino Selva
6131 Camino Selva
7683 Del DIos Highway
8175 Del Dios Highway
9821 Del Dios Highway
9823 Del Dios Highway
20127 3rd
TBD 3rd
17089 El Mirador
17134 El Mirador
17136 El Mirador
17007 El Vuelo
17116 El Vuelo
16725 El Zorro Vista
9728 Juniper Lane
9730 Juniper Lane
9727 Juniper Lane
20024 Kalmia Lane
9732 Kalmia Lane
17221 La Brisa
17237 Las Brisa
17345 La Brisa
Lake Drive and Juniper (no number)
20102 Lake Drive
20112 Lake Drive
20116 Lake Drive
20264 Lake Drive
20278 Lake Drive
7035 Las Colinas
6777 La Valle Plateada
17400 Rancho Del Rio
17403 Rancho Del Rio
17417 Rancho Del Rio
17455 Rancho Del Rio
18527 Rancho Del Rio
7872 Rio Senda
16827 Via de la Valle
7097 Via Monalex
7499 Vista Rancho Court
16501 Zumaque Street
16526 Zumaque Street
16583 Zumaque Street
16655 Zumaque Street
16729 Zumaque Street
16755 Zumaque Street

and here is the list of “Damaged” homes

Confirmed Damaged (by Damage Assessment) 24 homes damaged.

20110 3rd
6103 Avenida Picacho
5990 Calle Camposeco
5992 Calle Camposeco
6039 Calle Camposeco
6151 Calle Camposeco
17516 Caminito de los Escoses
17578 Caminito de los Escoses
10110 Camino San Thomas
20120 Date Lane
17077 El Mirador
17109 El Vuelo
17111 El Vuelo
17133 El Vuelo
16765 El Zorro Vista
17204 La Brisa
17211 La Brisa
16650 Las Cuestas
11650 Los Barbos
16501 Los Barbos
17509 Rancho Del Rio
16429 Via a la Casa
16715 Via de la Valle
16765 Zumaque Street

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

Don’t listen to Prufrock. He’s wrong. Here is a list of homes “destroyed” in Rancho Santa Fe. 64 “destroyed” and 24 “damaged.” BTW the source of the information is the Rancho Santa Fe fire department.

http://www.rsf-fire.org/news/witch_creek_info.asp

Confirmed Destroyed (by Damage Assessment) 64 homes destroyed.

20043 2nd Place
20115 2nd Place
20230 Ash Lane
16910 Avenida Luis
16924 Avenida Luis
16925 Avenida Luis
20215 Beech Lane
6139 Calle Camposeco
6146 Calle Camposeco
7861 Calle Dos Lagos
17511 Caminito de los Escoses
17577 Caminito de los Escoses
17326 Camino Santa Fe
17326 Camino Brisa Del Mar
17450 Camino Brisa Del Mar
17475 Camino Brisa Del Mar
9527 Camino Santa Fe
9584 Camino Santa Fe
6125 Camino Selva
6129 Camino Selva
6131 Camino Selva
7683 Del DIos Highway
8175 Del Dios Highway
9821 Del Dios Highway
9823 Del Dios Highway
20127 3rd
TBD 3rd
17089 El Mirador
17134 El Mirador
17136 El Mirador
17007 El Vuelo
17116 El Vuelo
16725 El Zorro Vista
9728 Juniper Lane
9730 Juniper Lane
9727 Juniper Lane
20024 Kalmia Lane
9732 Kalmia Lane
17221 La Brisa
17237 Las Brisa
17345 La Brisa
Lake Drive and Juniper (no number)
20102 Lake Drive
20112 Lake Drive
20116 Lake Drive
20264 Lake Drive
20278 Lake Drive
7035 Las Colinas
6777 La Valle Plateada
17400 Rancho Del Rio
17403 Rancho Del Rio
17417 Rancho Del Rio
17455 Rancho Del Rio
18527 Rancho Del Rio
7872 Rio Senda
16827 Via de la Valle
7097 Via Monalex
7499 Vista Rancho Court
16501 Zumaque Street
16526 Zumaque Street
16583 Zumaque Street
16655 Zumaque Street
16729 Zumaque Street
16755 Zumaque Street

and here is the list of “Damaged” homes

Confirmed Damaged (by Damage Assessment) 24 homes damaged.

20110 3rd
6103 Avenida Picacho
5990 Calle Camposeco
5992 Calle Camposeco
6039 Calle Camposeco
6151 Calle Camposeco
17516 Caminito de los Escoses
17578 Caminito de los Escoses
10110 Camino San Thomas
20120 Date Lane
17077 El Mirador
17109 El Vuelo
17111 El Vuelo
17133 El Vuelo
16765 El Zorro Vista
17204 La Brisa
17211 La Brisa
16650 Las Cuestas
11650 Los Barbos
16501 Los Barbos
17509 Rancho Del Rio
16429 Via a la Casa
16715 Via de la Valle
16765 Zumaque Street

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

By far the average family in 4S is younger upper middle class. There are lots of kids in the community. I live on a double ended Cul De Sac street and there are 40+ kids all under age of 12 living on the street. Lots of kids, low crime, no evidence of any gangs, newer construction, field of dreams type baseball/soccer/roller hockey/swimming/basketball complex. I know several families who could actually afford to live in, and in some cases moved from, much more exclusive areas (Rancho Santa Fe, La Jolla, etc.) who are living in 4S for the atomosphere, kid friendly community, and schools. As one person put it, how good is it for your kids if you live on a 2 acre gated estate in Rancho Santa Fe and your nearest neighbor with kids to play with your kids is hundreds of yards up the road in a similar “compound.” 4S is a great place to live if you have kids and can afford it. Wide price range of RE available from attached housing starting around $400,000 to gated homes on 1/2 acre lots at $1.5 milllion+

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

By far the average family in 4S is younger upper middle class. There are lots of kids in the community. I live on a double ended Cul De Sac street and there are 40+ kids all under age of 12 living on the street. Lots of kids, low crime, no evidence of any gangs, newer construction, field of dreams type baseball/soccer/roller hockey/swimming/basketball complex. I know several families who could actually afford to live in, and in some cases moved from, much more exclusive areas (Rancho Santa Fe, La Jolla, etc.) who are living in 4S for the atomosphere, kid friendly community, and schools. As one person put it, how good is it for your kids if you live on a 2 acre gated estate in Rancho Santa Fe and your nearest neighbor with kids to play with your kids is hundreds of yards up the road in a similar “compound.” 4S is a great place to live if you have kids and can afford it. Wide price range of RE available from attached housing starting around $400,000 to gated homes on 1/2 acre lots at $1.5 milllion+

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

By far the average family in 4S is younger upper middle class. There are lots of kids in the community. I live on a double ended Cul De Sac street and there are 40+ kids all under age of 12 living on the street. Lots of kids, low crime, no evidence of any gangs, newer construction, field of dreams type baseball/soccer/roller hockey/swimming/basketball complex. I know several families who could actually afford to live in, and in some cases moved from, much more exclusive areas (Rancho Santa Fe, La Jolla, etc.) who are living in 4S for the atomosphere, kid friendly community, and schools. As one person put it, how good is it for your kids if you live on a 2 acre gated estate in Rancho Santa Fe and your nearest neighbor with kids to play with your kids is hundreds of yards up the road in a similar “compound.” 4S is a great place to live if you have kids and can afford it. Wide price range of RE available from attached housing starting around $400,000 to gated homes on 1/2 acre lots at $1.5 milllion+

grateful owner . . . .

[4Sbuyer2002]

4S Ranch is your best bet by far. You may be able to get into a small SFH for 550K (Garden Walk). In addition, to being a very family oriented community the whole community is engineered to withstand firestorms like San Diego recently experience. 4S have same climate as Carmel Valley, Schools which are equal, and cost significantly less for the same sq/ft in a SFH. With the extension of Carmel Valley Road through 4S you are no about 2-3 minutes farther from the beach or La Jolla than you would be from Carmel Valley. Also no small benefit . . . . Temecula is way to far. Your husband who works in La Jolla will be chained to his car for 3 hrs a day if you buy in Temecula and work in La Jolla. I would not condemn him to that torture (3 hrs a day in SD traffic).

grateful owner . . . .

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