Zeitgeist movie

[redtide]

Let’s see. I reveal massive fraud/errors in the opening dialog of your propaganda movie, and you’ve resorted to name calling.

Wrong information is NOT knowledge.

You pushed your beliefs on this post, and I’ve simply responded with the facts to correct you.

[redtide]

Let’s see. I reveal massive fraud/errors in the opening dialog of your propaganda movie, and you’ve resorted to name calling.

Wrong information is NOT knowledge.

You pushed your beliefs on this post, and I’ve simply responded with the facts to correct you.

[NotCranky]

What great articualtion on fraud and errors did you provide?In my opinion you responded with a link more and worse propaganda. As drunkle pointed out, the mere references used are enough to conclude that the piece was a biased knee jerk defense . I guess two wrongs make you right? Is there the possibility of a correct way,in your opinion, to debunk the Jesus story, or at least the mythologies and dogmas created and perpetuated from it? Or are you going to hold steadfast in your belief no matter what? Actually of the two items, your link and the movie,the movie was more convincing.The plagiarism and astronomy stuff makes a lot of sense, especially as related to the theory of miracles performed by Jesus. My bias, I am a natural born skeptic and big fan of “The Age of Reason” by Thomas Paine which was quoted in the movie.
Best Wishes

[NotCranky]

What great articualtion on fraud and errors did you provide?In my opinion you responded with a link more and worse propaganda. As drunkle pointed out, the mere references used are enough to conclude that the piece was a biased knee jerk defense . I guess two wrongs make you right? Is there the possibility of a correct way,in your opinion, to debunk the Jesus story, or at least the mythologies and dogmas created and perpetuated from it? Or are you going to hold steadfast in your belief no matter what? Actually of the two items, your link and the movie,the movie was more convincing.The plagiarism and astronomy stuff makes a lot of sense, especially as related to the theory of miracles performed by Jesus. My bias, I am a natural born skeptic and big fan of “The Age of Reason” by Thomas Paine which was quoted in the movie.
Best Wishes

[masayako]

The mis-information is all wrong. Nowhere in the Bible claims that Jesus is born on Dec 25. This movie is a total joke.

What devil do best? Deceive you.

[masayako]

The mis-information is all wrong. Nowhere in the Bible claims that Jesus is born on Dec 25. This movie is a total joke.

What devil do best? Deceive you.

[Carlmichael]

Wow masayako I guess anything that proves religion wrong can be disregarded because you can simply blame the devil for it. Although the bible doesn’t mention the numerical date it does repeatedly by other references and what of the other evidence?

[Carlmichael]

Wow masayako I guess anything that proves religion wrong can be disregarded because you can simply blame the devil for it. Although the bible doesn’t mention the numerical date it does repeatedly by other references and what of the other evidence?

[Ash Housewares]

I found the second part of the movie, about 9/11 and war, to be the most interesting. I had previously thought the people who called 9/11 an inside job were nut balls, now after seeing that movie I am not so sure. The buildings collapsed at nearly free-fall speed, columns were photographed looking just as they would if they had been cut, and steel cutting material (thermite) was found in molten steel in the basement, explosions were heard in the basement seconds before the planes stuck, the list goes on… Plus the whole NADCON thing about the training exercise that same day for that exact scenario, which confused the fighter jet response. It’s all circumstantial, but there are so many circumstantial pieces that you begin to wonder if it could be true.

The point of the movie is not to argue about religion or politics (what you believe), but to look at yourself and ask WHY you believe it.

[Ash Housewares]

I found the second part of the movie, about 9/11 and war, to be the most interesting. I had previously thought the people who called 9/11 an inside job were nut balls, now after seeing that movie I am not so sure. The buildings collapsed at nearly free-fall speed, columns were photographed looking just as they would if they had been cut, and steel cutting material (thermite) was found in molten steel in the basement, explosions were heard in the basement seconds before the planes stuck, the list goes on… Plus the whole NADCON thing about the training exercise that same day for that exact scenario, which confused the fighter jet response. It’s all circumstantial, but there are so many circumstantial pieces that you begin to wonder if it could be true.

The point of the movie is not to argue about religion or politics (what you believe), but to look at yourself and ask WHY you believe it.

[redtide]

For the erroneous examples in the flick, let’s use Horus (the first plagiarism example the movie uses) and examine the “fraud and errors”.

Before we get into this, I think it’s important to quote a direct line from the film:

“these attributes of horus, whether original or not, seem to permeate in many cultures of the world, for many other gods are found to have the same mythological structure”

“whether original or not” – that statement pretty much wraps up this whole argument. The truth is most of the religious texts concerning these figures were added to over the centuries, with aspects of their lives becoming more spectacular and suspiciously similar to Christianity. By the time the multitude of different stories (morphing/evolving over the years) are actually written down, they postdate the Bible.

Now on to a small sampling of the false claims of this flick:

False statement: Horus was born of a virgin
Fact: There are two separate birth accounts in regards to Horus, neither depict a virgin birth

False statement: Horus was born on Dec 25th
Fact: Horus’ birth was actually celebrated during the month of Khoiak, (October/November)
(As the article and Masayako mentioned, Dec 25 is mentioned no where in the bible, irrelevant)

False statement: Horus had 12 disciples
Fact: They were not disciples at all – they were the twelve signs of the zodiac which became associated with Horus, a sky god.
(the 12 disciples represented the 12 tribes of Judah)

False statement: Horus was crucified
Fact: Horus is never said to have been crucified, nevertheless to have died.

These are just a few of the many facts pulled form that link. But you’re claiming all his sources are flawed, because people wrote history books, encyclopedias, and any ancient religious text that predates your theory in question. What sources can be cited then if everything is biased and nothing that’s ever been documented can hold any truth?

This is the classic relativism trap. Relativism claims that there is no truth. Really? Is that true? Answer “no” and your claim is false. Answer yes, and you must admit your claim is false… because remember, there’s no truth.

If there’s no truth then why was this video posted anyway? Why do we read any of the info on this housing blog? This thinking makes reasoned dialogue impossible.

Regarding debunking Christianity, obviously I feel there’s no correct way to debunk Christianity, because I believe it is true.

I’ll stop here. I’m really finished adding to the off topic posts. Now that I’ve made my point (again), back to housing…..

[redtide]

For the erroneous examples in the flick, let’s use Horus (the first plagiarism example the movie uses) and examine the “fraud and errors”.

Before we get into this, I think it’s important to quote a direct line from the film:

“these attributes of horus, whether original or not, seem to permeate in many cultures of the world, for many other gods are found to have the same mythological structure”

“whether original or not” – that statement pretty much wraps up this whole argument. The truth is most of the religious texts concerning these figures were added to over the centuries, with aspects of their lives becoming more spectacular and suspiciously similar to Christianity. By the time the multitude of different stories (morphing/evolving over the years) are actually written down, they postdate the Bible.

Now on to a small sampling of the false claims of this flick:

False statement: Horus was born of a virgin
Fact: There are two separate birth accounts in regards to Horus, neither depict a virgin birth

False statement: Horus was born on Dec 25th
Fact: Horus’ birth was actually celebrated during the month of Khoiak, (October/November)
(As the article and Masayako mentioned, Dec 25 is mentioned no where in the bible, irrelevant)

False statement: Horus had 12 disciples
Fact: They were not disciples at all – they were the twelve signs of the zodiac which became associated with Horus, a sky god.
(the 12 disciples represented the 12 tribes of Judah)

False statement: Horus was crucified
Fact: Horus is never said to have been crucified, nevertheless to have died.

These are just a few of the many facts pulled form that link. But you’re claiming all his sources are flawed, because people wrote history books, encyclopedias, and any ancient religious text that predates your theory in question. What sources can be cited then if everything is biased and nothing that’s ever been documented can hold any truth?

This is the classic relativism trap. Relativism claims that there is no truth. Really? Is that true? Answer “no” and your claim is false. Answer yes, and you must admit your claim is false… because remember, there’s no truth.

If there’s no truth then why was this video posted anyway? Why do we read any of the info on this housing blog? This thinking makes reasoned dialogue impossible.

Regarding debunking Christianity, obviously I feel there’s no correct way to debunk Christianity, because I believe it is true.

I’ll stop here. I’m really finished adding to the off topic posts. Now that I’ve made my point (again), back to housing…..

[drunkle]

you haven’t made any point… what, do you go to the school of pre hoc argument?

the posted link starts off with a logical fallacy. period. it’s trying to claim that the presented arguments are fact and truth because it’s sources are factual and truthful. and that’s wrong. it’s not a “relativism trap”, it’s pointing out that the author is using slight of hand when making his case: scientists never lie. scientists say that global warming is occuring. therefore, global warming must be true. see what happened there? it is not a fact that scientists never lie. it is not a fact that his sources are objective and unbiased.

[drunkle]

you haven’t made any point… what, do you go to the school of pre hoc argument?

the posted link starts off with a logical fallacy. period. it’s trying to claim that the presented arguments are fact and truth because it’s sources are factual and truthful. and that’s wrong. it’s not a “relativism trap”, it’s pointing out that the author is using slight of hand when making his case: scientists never lie. scientists say that global warming is occuring. therefore, global warming must be true. see what happened there? it is not a fact that scientists never lie. it is not a fact that his sources are objective and unbiased.

[NotCranky]

I think he wants to have the last word drunkle.I think it is the 11th commandment. “Ye shall have the last word!”

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