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[Balboa]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=yamashi1] The one thing you are correct about though is the “pay their dues” theory. Like I said before, we are results oriented people who believe in a just and meritocratic society. We believe that you don’t deserve a job because of the color of your skin, the amount of gray hair you have, or the amount of hours you sit in front of your computer. We believe in the bottom line, how much $ you bring into the company, how much impact you have to the bottom line. [/quote]

My observation is millennials also care about social justice and the environment. They care about what they eat and how they consume. Maybe they don’t care all the much to become activists, but the right message of compassion is important.[/quote]

I identify with a kinder, gentler millennial identity. I don’t think that “face time,” age, seniority, etc. are necessarily indicative of value in the workplace. By the same turn — demonstrated in this very thread — concepts of meritocracy are subjective and can run very far afield of what I would consider just, in the office and in the larger community.

[millennial]

[quote=scaredyclassic]

Results? Merit? I don’t know that politics and the ability of manipulative sociopaths to seize control will ever be supplanted by mere merit.

This article by venkatesh rao on the series THE OFFICE explains it all and is a must read if you think the office is Shakespeare for our time,

http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/%5B/quote%5D

Found the article to be quite humorous. Thanks for providing.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=yamashi1][quote=scaredyclassic]

Results? Merit? I don’t know that politics and the ability of manipulative sociopaths to seize control will ever be supplanted by mere merit.

This article by venkatesh rao on the series THE OFFICE explains it all and is a must read if you think the office is Shakespeare for our time,

http://www.ribbonfarm.com/2009/10/07/the-gervais-principle-or-the-office-according-to-the-office/%5B/quote%5D

Found the article to be quite humorous. Thanks for providing.[/quote]

I have watched THE OFFICE in its entirety 3x . I find it to be very instructional. But venkatesh raos view really brought it together for me. I would like to see more high level critical analysis of THE OFFICE, personalky.

[FlyerInHi]

I never watched the office. I will look for it on streaming.
I like the pyramid with sociopaths at the top.

Merit has limits. No matter how smart or how hard working one is, statistically, there’s only so much room at the top.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=yamashi][quote=bearishgurl][quote=yamashi1] . . . I spend a lot of money a month >$4k on schooling and day care, but again I don’t want to be 65 and paying for college.[/quote]I missed this.

yamashi, IIRC, you posted here earlier that you moved out to a mini-mansion in suburbia in the attendance area of public schools rated a “10.” If you don’t mind my asking, why are you currently paying >$4K month for schools? Surely, it doesn’t cost you $4K month for daycare :-0[/quote]

Probably none of your business, but to enlighten you my youngest and middle total $3,000 for daycare and private preschool, Oldest and middle total $1,000 for after school education, Saturday schooling costs around $400 total for tutoring and language school. This doesn’t include an additional $150-200 a month for piano for both middle and oldest and probably average another $300/month for extracurricular activities such as soccer/swim classes/golf/field trips/ballet and donations. Kids are expensive. . . [/quote]yamashi, this is a breathtaking amount every month to be spending on preschool and elementary school-age children who are attending public school. You claim you recently bought a house and one of you (parents) can quit work any time and you’ll still “be fine” financially. I understand pre-school/pre-K costs more now than when I sent my kids to those programs but sheesh, $3000 month is very, very expensive for two kids who are already potty trained and not confined to a crib where state rules require one caregiver to every four cribs.

I also paid for dance, voice lessons, baseball and scout camp for many years for my school-age children, as well as (very expensive) show choir in middle/HS but none of it was anywhere near as expensive as what you are quoting here! IMO, this is a absolutely a “mind-boggling” list of activities for young children. It sounds as if they are busy 24/7! I hope they don’t burn out early in life :-0

A little “food for thought” here. For $45-$48K per year (a little less than what you are paying now for young kids’ care and activities), you can currently send TWO kids to CSU (different campuses) in URBAN cities in CA (LA and SF bay area) WITHOUT any financial aid! This amount will cover BOTH of their tuition fees, campus fees, books, room and board (campus accommodations or shared accommodations off campus). For off-campus accommodations, your total nut in LA County will be $22,500 to $23,000 year and in SF or SF Bay area, it will be $24,000 to $25,000 per year due to higher rents. This will be true even when CSU tuition fees are slightly raised this fall. It’s even cheaper to send your kid to college in smaller CA cities and rural campuses.

You are spending all this money NOW on kids who aren’t even in school yet! Let me tell that they won’t remember what they did when they were 2-5 years old when they are 18! You will have to show them pictures to remind them 😀

Down the road, you could invest $600-$800 per course on 6-8 week SAT prep courses. THAT’s where the “rubber meets the road” in a child’s life. College admission boards DON’T CARE what your kid did in any grade before grade 9. Public universities in CA don’t even care what extracurricular activities your kid did in HS! My kids were BUSY in HS with a rigorous schedule of performing in HS’s all over the state for YEARS and the CSU mentor (application portal for the CSU Admissions Board) gave them no credit whatsoever for it:

http://www.csumentor.edu/

Yes, at least 9 months of pre-K is very, very important when your kid is 4 and expected to enter K the following year. I paid $130 week for my youngest kid (now almost 20) to attend a very good program, and, of course, it was cheaper for their sibling(s). And they had fabulous home daycare situations before they turned 4. And we had a very high household income, even very high by today’s standards!

yamashi, if you have a big enough tree, did you ever think of tying an old tire onto a branch to make a swing? That’s what the caregiver-grandparents do around here for their grandkids … and it’s free if you already own the rope! I’m sure all your kids would love it if you just pushed each of them for a few minutes a day. Just sayin …..

[FlyerInHi]

CSU is not good enough for his kids. Why is that so hard to understand?

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi]CSU is not good enough for his kids. Why is that so hard to understand?[/quote]Are you speaking for him, FIH? Someone who has 3 kids under the age of 8 doesn’t yet know which college is or isn’t “good enough” for his/her kids until the time comes to apply to them. Neither he or his kid/applicant will have any control over the admissions process.

Nor does he know how much it’s all going to cost and if his kid(s) will be eligible for financial aid until about a year before the time comes to apply to them.

Between now and then, any number of things could happen with his kids, himself or his spouse and/or their employment situations.

FYI, the CSU has some fantastic programs and several campuses also have renowned engineering programs.

The Regents/UC admission board doesn’t care about extracurricular activities in HS, either. Not a whit. An applicant’s highest SAT score plus HS GPA is the name of the game. And it doesn’t help that many thousands of deep-pocketed foreign applicants who are willing to pay the “full ride” will be his kids’ “competition.”

It’s a crapshoot out there. I don’t care WHO your kid is or even if they have a 4.0+ GPA from a CA HS! Good Luck to all :=0

[FlyerInHi]

From what I understand, $4,000 for 3 kids is about right.

$3,000 daycare and private preschool expenses will go away after the kids get older.

What’s wrong with spending money on your kids if you can afford it?

Nothing wrong with aiming high. Piano and language school are wonderful for kids. They learn best at a young age.

Why do you keep on pushing CSU? it’s the path to mediocrity. For example, CSU path won’t allow one to become a federal judge or supreme court justice.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi]From what I understand, $4,000 for 3 kids is about right.

$3,000 daycare and private preschool expenses will go away after the kids get older. . . . [/quote]Um, FIH, one of the kids is presumably in school most of the day.

You don’t have any kids, right? I think you would do well to poll the Piggs on this, lol ….

[FlyerInHi]

So that’s $1,500 each for the 2 kids who are not in public school.

I don’t have kids, but I hear from people who do.

[scaredyclassic]

Hell I just realized I’m spending a grand a year on piano lessons.

I went to a recital in encinitas this weekend. The whole thing got me weepy. I was deeply moved. I like taking him to the lesson Friday nites. Little ritual. I go for a walk and call my mom. It’s close by. Sometimes we stop after for snacks.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=FlyerInHi]. . . Why do you keep on pushing CSU? it’s the path to mediocrity.[/quote] Ummm, no. I recently attended a fundraiser on a CSU campus put on by my youngest kid’s Greek organization. There were a few “movers and shakers” present … ALL “alumni” and local philanthropists. I can assure you that NONE of them have had “mediocre” careers or lives.

[quote=FlyerInHi] For example, CSU path won’t allow one to become a federal judge or supreme court justice.[/quote] Only 6 out of the 10 CA public university campuses (UC’s) in the state have have law schools plus one “affiliate” (Hastings). One has to be a practicing lawyer for a period of time (preferably 20+ years) before being appointed to a state or federal judgeship. Those lawyers who eventually become judges are likely .00001 of all lawyers in the country, maybe even less. This is a ludicrous argument because even graduation from one of these UC law schools (even the “flagship” schools of Boalt Hall [Cal] and UCLA) cannot even guarantee the candidate a successful passing of the State Bar exam, much less obtain a judgeship position in the future :=0

[FlyerInHi]

Like Bernie Sanders said, university education is now an extension of High School. The bar has been raised.

There are plenty of paths to “success” but if kids are smart, why not give them “the best”, if you can afford it.

If you can afford it, what are you saving the money for? To buy big trucks and expensive toys like your brethren in TX and OK, do?

[bearishgurl]

[quote=scaredyclassic]Hell I just realized I’m spending a grand a year on piano lessons. . . .[/quote]That’s a reasonable $83 month. Does the piano teacher come to your home to teach your kid 2-4x per month for that, scaredy?

edit, I just read you take him to the piano teacher’s house …. It’s still reasonable for 3-4 lessons per month.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=FlyerInHi]From what I understand, $4,000 for 3 kids is about right.
[/quote]

That’s like a House payment in the better parts of CV LOL.

Anyway if your rich enough, spend your money how you see fit.

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