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January 24, 2011 at 2:52 PM #658684January 24, 2011 at 2:54 PM #657559
no_such_reality
Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote]Do we all agree we have a trafficking problem in the Southwest?[/quote]
Sure. And where do most of these drugs end up? In private homes.
So you have no problem with cops randomly searching your home, right? After all that’s where a lot of the drugs are, in homes like yours.
Nothing unreasonable about it, it’s just a PITA.[/quote]
Ah, the slippery slope argument. Before it can get to my home, it has to be shipped. Or in the case of San Diego, carried through a tunnel to a house close to the border.
If you want to legalize drugs, I’m fine with that. I’m also fine with shutting down the checkpoints and the border, just hit the employers. You know, those people with the cash paid nannies and handymen and yardworkers. And those processing plants in the mid-west. And who knows how many businesses here.
Solve the employment and demand problem, solve the illegal problem, solve the drug problem.
The checkpoints are just a side-effect of the southern border being a sieve.
January 24, 2011 at 2:54 PM #657620Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote]Do we all agree we have a trafficking problem in the Southwest?[/quote]
Sure. And where do most of these drugs end up? In private homes.
So you have no problem with cops randomly searching your home, right? After all that’s where a lot of the drugs are, in homes like yours.
Nothing unreasonable about it, it’s just a PITA.[/quote]
Ah, the slippery slope argument. Before it can get to my home, it has to be shipped. Or in the case of San Diego, carried through a tunnel to a house close to the border.
If you want to legalize drugs, I’m fine with that. I’m also fine with shutting down the checkpoints and the border, just hit the employers. You know, those people with the cash paid nannies and handymen and yardworkers. And those processing plants in the mid-west. And who knows how many businesses here.
Solve the employment and demand problem, solve the illegal problem, solve the drug problem.
The checkpoints are just a side-effect of the southern border being a sieve.
January 24, 2011 at 2:54 PM #658222Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote]Do we all agree we have a trafficking problem in the Southwest?[/quote]
Sure. And where do most of these drugs end up? In private homes.
So you have no problem with cops randomly searching your home, right? After all that’s where a lot of the drugs are, in homes like yours.
Nothing unreasonable about it, it’s just a PITA.[/quote]
Ah, the slippery slope argument. Before it can get to my home, it has to be shipped. Or in the case of San Diego, carried through a tunnel to a house close to the border.
If you want to legalize drugs, I’m fine with that. I’m also fine with shutting down the checkpoints and the border, just hit the employers. You know, those people with the cash paid nannies and handymen and yardworkers. And those processing plants in the mid-west. And who knows how many businesses here.
Solve the employment and demand problem, solve the illegal problem, solve the drug problem.
The checkpoints are just a side-effect of the southern border being a sieve.
January 24, 2011 at 2:54 PM #658361Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote]Do we all agree we have a trafficking problem in the Southwest?[/quote]
Sure. And where do most of these drugs end up? In private homes.
So you have no problem with cops randomly searching your home, right? After all that’s where a lot of the drugs are, in homes like yours.
Nothing unreasonable about it, it’s just a PITA.[/quote]
Ah, the slippery slope argument. Before it can get to my home, it has to be shipped. Or in the case of San Diego, carried through a tunnel to a house close to the border.
If you want to legalize drugs, I’m fine with that. I’m also fine with shutting down the checkpoints and the border, just hit the employers. You know, those people with the cash paid nannies and handymen and yardworkers. And those processing plants in the mid-west. And who knows how many businesses here.
Solve the employment and demand problem, solve the illegal problem, solve the drug problem.
The checkpoints are just a side-effect of the southern border being a sieve.
January 24, 2011 at 2:54 PM #658689Participant[quote=pri_dk][quote]Do we all agree we have a trafficking problem in the Southwest?[/quote]
Sure. And where do most of these drugs end up? In private homes.
So you have no problem with cops randomly searching your home, right? After all that’s where a lot of the drugs are, in homes like yours.
Nothing unreasonable about it, it’s just a PITA.[/quote]
Ah, the slippery slope argument. Before it can get to my home, it has to be shipped. Or in the case of San Diego, carried through a tunnel to a house close to the border.
If you want to legalize drugs, I’m fine with that. I’m also fine with shutting down the checkpoints and the border, just hit the employers. You know, those people with the cash paid nannies and handymen and yardworkers. And those processing plants in the mid-west. And who knows how many businesses here.
Solve the employment and demand problem, solve the illegal problem, solve the drug problem.
The checkpoints are just a side-effect of the southern border being a sieve.
January 24, 2011 at 3:10 PM #657564bearishgurl
Participant[quote=no_such_reality][quote=bearishgurl]
nsr, I never stated here that I was treated “unreasonably.” However, if I gave the “appearance” of being “Hispanic” yet was born in the US but had a bit of an “accent,” I might think otherwise.
[/quote]To paraphrase, what you’re saying is that you think is that you would be treated biased and discriminated against even though you’ve never been if you were Hispanic or looked Hispanic or sounded Hispanic.
IMHO, seems like a lot of projection of motivations…[/quote]
Yes, because I have talked to several Americans who took the same route and who DID look/sound Hispanic and heard directly from them how they were treated. It has nothing to do with “projection.” And I have seen the difference sitting in my own vehicle in the daytime waiting to approach and watching/listening how a vehicle in the next bay is handled. The drivers/occupants of the vehicles ARE NOT ALL treated in the same manner, yet are all approaching from the same direction.
FWIW, I have driven this route dozens of times.
You seem to be very supportive of law enforcement tactics, nsr. This is neither good nor bad, it’s just your view.
I think these “checkpoints” were put in place because the area is thought or known to be, like you said, a “drug-trafficking corridor.” They’re also probably in place to detain illegal aliens.
Vehicles that have already crossed into the US from MX have already gone thru the paces at the Int’l border where they crossed and northbound comm’l vehicles possibly searched by the time they get on I-8/I-10. The checkpoints (above) are just a “second layer” of bureaucracy designed to catch drug traffickers and illegal aliens who may have managed to come across the border outside of the legal crossings (or are heading into MX with “ill-intent”). That’s my take on it.
January 24, 2011 at 3:10 PM #657625Participant[quote=no_such_reality][quote=bearishgurl]
nsr, I never stated here that I was treated “unreasonably.” However, if I gave the “appearance” of being “Hispanic” yet was born in the US but had a bit of an “accent,” I might think otherwise.
[/quote]To paraphrase, what you’re saying is that you think is that you would be treated biased and discriminated against even though you’ve never been if you were Hispanic or looked Hispanic or sounded Hispanic.
IMHO, seems like a lot of projection of motivations…[/quote]
Yes, because I have talked to several Americans who took the same route and who DID look/sound Hispanic and heard directly from them how they were treated. It has nothing to do with “projection.” And I have seen the difference sitting in my own vehicle in the daytime waiting to approach and watching/listening how a vehicle in the next bay is handled. The drivers/occupants of the vehicles ARE NOT ALL treated in the same manner, yet are all approaching from the same direction.
FWIW, I have driven this route dozens of times.
You seem to be very supportive of law enforcement tactics, nsr. This is neither good nor bad, it’s just your view.
I think these “checkpoints” were put in place because the area is thought or known to be, like you said, a “drug-trafficking corridor.” They’re also probably in place to detain illegal aliens.
Vehicles that have already crossed into the US from MX have already gone thru the paces at the Int’l border where they crossed and northbound comm’l vehicles possibly searched by the time they get on I-8/I-10. The checkpoints (above) are just a “second layer” of bureaucracy designed to catch drug traffickers and illegal aliens who may have managed to come across the border outside of the legal crossings (or are heading into MX with “ill-intent”). That’s my take on it.
January 24, 2011 at 3:10 PM #658227Participant[quote=no_such_reality][quote=bearishgurl]
nsr, I never stated here that I was treated “unreasonably.” However, if I gave the “appearance” of being “Hispanic” yet was born in the US but had a bit of an “accent,” I might think otherwise.
[/quote]To paraphrase, what you’re saying is that you think is that you would be treated biased and discriminated against even though you’ve never been if you were Hispanic or looked Hispanic or sounded Hispanic.
IMHO, seems like a lot of projection of motivations…[/quote]
Yes, because I have talked to several Americans who took the same route and who DID look/sound Hispanic and heard directly from them how they were treated. It has nothing to do with “projection.” And I have seen the difference sitting in my own vehicle in the daytime waiting to approach and watching/listening how a vehicle in the next bay is handled. The drivers/occupants of the vehicles ARE NOT ALL treated in the same manner, yet are all approaching from the same direction.
FWIW, I have driven this route dozens of times.
You seem to be very supportive of law enforcement tactics, nsr. This is neither good nor bad, it’s just your view.
I think these “checkpoints” were put in place because the area is thought or known to be, like you said, a “drug-trafficking corridor.” They’re also probably in place to detain illegal aliens.
Vehicles that have already crossed into the US from MX have already gone thru the paces at the Int’l border where they crossed and northbound comm’l vehicles possibly searched by the time they get on I-8/I-10. The checkpoints (above) are just a “second layer” of bureaucracy designed to catch drug traffickers and illegal aliens who may have managed to come across the border outside of the legal crossings (or are heading into MX with “ill-intent”). That’s my take on it.
January 24, 2011 at 3:10 PM #658366Participant[quote=no_such_reality][quote=bearishgurl]
nsr, I never stated here that I was treated “unreasonably.” However, if I gave the “appearance” of being “Hispanic” yet was born in the US but had a bit of an “accent,” I might think otherwise.
[/quote]To paraphrase, what you’re saying is that you think is that you would be treated biased and discriminated against even though you’ve never been if you were Hispanic or looked Hispanic or sounded Hispanic.
IMHO, seems like a lot of projection of motivations…[/quote]
Yes, because I have talked to several Americans who took the same route and who DID look/sound Hispanic and heard directly from them how they were treated. It has nothing to do with “projection.” And I have seen the difference sitting in my own vehicle in the daytime waiting to approach and watching/listening how a vehicle in the next bay is handled. The drivers/occupants of the vehicles ARE NOT ALL treated in the same manner, yet are all approaching from the same direction.
FWIW, I have driven this route dozens of times.
You seem to be very supportive of law enforcement tactics, nsr. This is neither good nor bad, it’s just your view.
I think these “checkpoints” were put in place because the area is thought or known to be, like you said, a “drug-trafficking corridor.” They’re also probably in place to detain illegal aliens.
Vehicles that have already crossed into the US from MX have already gone thru the paces at the Int’l border where they crossed and northbound comm’l vehicles possibly searched by the time they get on I-8/I-10. The checkpoints (above) are just a “second layer” of bureaucracy designed to catch drug traffickers and illegal aliens who may have managed to come across the border outside of the legal crossings (or are heading into MX with “ill-intent”). That’s my take on it.
January 24, 2011 at 3:10 PM #658694Participant[quote=no_such_reality][quote=bearishgurl]
nsr, I never stated here that I was treated “unreasonably.” However, if I gave the “appearance” of being “Hispanic” yet was born in the US but had a bit of an “accent,” I might think otherwise.
[/quote]To paraphrase, what you’re saying is that you think is that you would be treated biased and discriminated against even though you’ve never been if you were Hispanic or looked Hispanic or sounded Hispanic.
IMHO, seems like a lot of projection of motivations…[/quote]
Yes, because I have talked to several Americans who took the same route and who DID look/sound Hispanic and heard directly from them how they were treated. It has nothing to do with “projection.” And I have seen the difference sitting in my own vehicle in the daytime waiting to approach and watching/listening how a vehicle in the next bay is handled. The drivers/occupants of the vehicles ARE NOT ALL treated in the same manner, yet are all approaching from the same direction.
FWIW, I have driven this route dozens of times.
You seem to be very supportive of law enforcement tactics, nsr. This is neither good nor bad, it’s just your view.
I think these “checkpoints” were put in place because the area is thought or known to be, like you said, a “drug-trafficking corridor.” They’re also probably in place to detain illegal aliens.
Vehicles that have already crossed into the US from MX have already gone thru the paces at the Int’l border where they crossed and northbound comm’l vehicles possibly searched by the time they get on I-8/I-10. The checkpoints (above) are just a “second layer” of bureaucracy designed to catch drug traffickers and illegal aliens who may have managed to come across the border outside of the legal crossings (or are heading into MX with “ill-intent”). That’s my take on it.
January 24, 2011 at 3:18 PM #657579Anonymous
GuestThis slope is slippery…where does it stop?
Is there any search you would consider to be unreasonable?
After all, if you have nothing to hide…
If you want to abandon the 4th Amendment, I’m not fine with that. The guys who wrote it were pretty smart. Maybe they knew how it would play out.
January 24, 2011 at 3:18 PM #657640GuestThis slope is slippery…where does it stop?
Is there any search you would consider to be unreasonable?
After all, if you have nothing to hide…
If you want to abandon the 4th Amendment, I’m not fine with that. The guys who wrote it were pretty smart. Maybe they knew how it would play out.
January 24, 2011 at 3:18 PM #658242GuestThis slope is slippery…where does it stop?
Is there any search you would consider to be unreasonable?
After all, if you have nothing to hide…
If you want to abandon the 4th Amendment, I’m not fine with that. The guys who wrote it were pretty smart. Maybe they knew how it would play out.
January 24, 2011 at 3:18 PM #658381GuestThis slope is slippery…where does it stop?
Is there any search you would consider to be unreasonable?
After all, if you have nothing to hide…
If you want to abandon the 4th Amendment, I’m not fine with that. The guys who wrote it were pretty smart. Maybe they knew how it would play out.
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