OT-Why Did CIA Director Petraeus Suddenly Resign … And Why Was the U.S. Ambassador to Libya Murdered?

[Allan from Fallbrook]

SK: I was being tongue-in-cheek there and mainly based on how freaking weird this whole story is (and continues to be.)

Of course, if the Khawams had been turned we both know which intelligence operation would have done it: Mossad. Not kidding on this. Mossad and the Phalangists and the Maronites go way back.

You have to admit, this situation is getting weirder by the day and I have the sense more revelations are forthcoming.

[SK in CV]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]SK: I was being tongue-in-cheek there and mainly based on how freaking weird this whole story is (and continues to be.)

Of course, if the Khawams had been turned we both know which intelligence operation would have done it: Mossad. Not kidding on this. Mossad and the Phalangists and the Maronites go way back.

You have to admit, this situation is getting weirder by the day and I have the sense more revelations are forthcoming.[/quote]

Yeah, it’s getting bizarre. Maybe the most bizarre that I’ve read is amidst the allegations of too sexy texts between Allen and Kelley is the report of 20 to 30 thousand pages of emails. The sexy texts get the headlines. But 20,000 pages of emails? WTF?

(and yes, Mossad is much more likely, though without a shred of evidence, it’s nothing more than a racial slur.)

[Allan from Fallbrook]

SK: Kinda makes you wonder when they had anytime to do their jobs.

Didn’t mean the Mossad comment as any sort of racial slur, rather, I meant it as though I wouldn’t be surprised, especially given the close ties that the Mossad has maintained with the Lebanese Christian factions (anyone remember Sabra and Shatila?) over the years.

Combine that with the success that Israel has had penetrating US military and intelligence agencies and how interested they undoubtedly are in US intentions regarding Iran and I think one could definitely make a case. We are talking about the highest levels of the US military command structure here and the fact that a huge amount of classified information mysteriously wound up on a civilian’s computer.

[NotCranky]

I haven’t be following so closely, Allan. My guess is that this all doesn’t go too far beyond the tabloid stuff. Maybe some misappropriation of funds for the “volunteer hostesses”? Any interrogation of Petraeus on Libya will be for show, hand washing and grandstanding purposes.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Blogstar]I haven’t be following so closely, Allan. My guess is that this all doesn’t go too far beyond the tabloid stuff. Maybe some misappropriation of funds for the “volunteer hostesses”? Any interrogation of Petraeus on Libya will be for show, hand washing and grandstanding purposes.[/quote]

Russ: I’m sure you’re right, but it’s fun to spin out some possible scenarios. I thought Petraeus had more on the ball, but he’s probably cut from the same cloth as those morons Tommy Franks and Ricardo Sanchez. Best army in the world and it’s led by incompetent ass kissers.

I just finished a good book you might enjoy called “The Revenge of Geography” by Robert Kaplan. It’ll confirm quite a few of your views of the

[SK in CV]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]SK: Kinda makes you wonder when they had anytime to do their jobs.

Didn’t mean the Mossad comment as any sort of racial slur, rather, I meant it as though I wouldn’t be surprised, especially given the close ties that the Mossad has maintained with the Lebanese Christian factions (anyone remember Sabra and Shatila?) over the years.

Combine that with the success that Israel has had penetrating US military and intelligence agencies and how interested they undoubtedly are in US intentions regarding Iran and I think one could definitely make a case. We are talking about the highest levels of the US military command structure here and the fact that a huge amount of classified information mysteriously wound up on a civilian’s computer.[/quote]

I think you misunderstood. The racial slur is spontaneously making the connection between Kelley’s ME heritage and her being a spy, irrespective of who she’s accused of working for. It was making the rounds as early as a couple days ago.

And having enough time to do their jobs was exactly why I mentioned the 20,000 pages. Even if every email and response and response to the response gets printed over and over again, that’s a lot of content over a pretty short period. Particularly for a guy that’s supposed to be running a war.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=Blogstar]I haven’t be following so closely, Allan. My guess is that this all doesn’t go too far beyond the tabloid stuff. Maybe some misappropriation of funds for the “volunteer hostesses”? Any interrogation of Petraeus on Libya will be for show, hand washing and grandstanding purposes.[/quote]

Actually, it goes far beyond the tabloid stuff.

The Petreaus -Kelley thing is likely just tabloid stuff being conveniently used to distract from whatever the real story is…

The media is spun in a frenzy and looking for the cigar moment, meanwhile, what part of Rome is burning?

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook] I thought Petraeus had more on the ball, but he’s probably cut from the same cloth as those morons Tommy Franks and Ricardo Sanchez. Best army in the world and it’s led by incompetent ass kissers.
[/quote]

We did have a certain general Eric Shinseki who refused to “kiss ass” and look what happened to his military career!

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea][quote=Allan from Fallbrook] I thought Petraeus had more on the ball, but he’s probably cut from the same cloth as those morons Tommy Franks and Ricardo Sanchez. Best army in the world and it’s led by incompetent ass kissers.
[/quote]

We did have a certain general Eric Shinseki who refused to “kiss ass” and look what happened to his military career![/quote]

Enron: Exactly right. Shinseki had the temerity to suggest that 500,000 troops were necessary for Iraq to be a success and he was unceremoniously shown the door.

I had a buddy who worked intel for 4th ID and he told me that they were told, in no uncertain terms, to NOT submit any reports deemed “counterproductive” to the war effort. Being a former Ranger, he, along with many other line officers, quickly realized that Iraq was predominantly a counterinsurgency operation, but Rumsfeld and the Corporation (Pentagon) didn’t want to hear that, and insisted that the ground war could be prosecuted with Big Iron (like 4th ID).

The sad fact is that Rumsfeld should have known better, given his experiences during Vietnam.

I remembering watching Stan McChrystal beclown himself during the Rolling Stone interview and wondering what the hell happened to the US Army general officer class. It now sadly appears obvious.

[NotCranky]

[quote=no_such_reality][quote=Blogstar]I haven’t be following so closely, Allan. My guess is that this all doesn’t go too far beyond the tabloid stuff. Maybe some misappropriation of funds for the “volunteer hostesses”? Any interrogation of Petraeus on Libya will be for show, hand washing and grandstanding purposes.[/quote]

Actually, it goes far beyond the tabloid stuff.

The Petreaus -Kelley thing is likely just tabloid stuff being conveniently used to distract from whatever the real story is…

The media is spun in a frenzy and looking for the cigar moment, meanwhile, what part of Rome is burning?[/quote]

I agree, and that’s why my earlier comment mentioned circuses. I was just telling Allan that I believe ,regardless of how rotten things are in Denmark, that there will not be any incisive inquiries.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Blogstar][quote=no_such_reality][quote=Blogstar]I haven’t be following so closely, Allan. My guess is that this all doesn’t go too far beyond the tabloid stuff. Maybe some misappropriation of funds for the “volunteer hostesses”? Any interrogation of Petraeus on Libya will be for show, hand washing and grandstanding purposes.[/quote]

Actually, it goes far beyond the tabloid stuff.

The Petreaus -Kelley thing is likely just tabloid stuff being conveniently used to distract from whatever the real story is…

The media is spun in a frenzy and looking for the cigar moment, meanwhile, what part of Rome is burning?[/quote]

I agree, and that’s why my earlier comment mentioned circuses. I was just telling Allan that I believe ,regardless of how rotten things are in Denmark, that there will not be any incisive inquiries.[/quote]

Russ: Well, you’d need an interested and involved press for that to happen, right? We haven’t had serious investigative journalism for years and that’s why the salacious tabloid aspects of this are dominant, rather than the deeper and more serious questions this raises. NSR called it right when asked about the important stuff behind/beyond the prurient interest.

[NotCranky]

It’s a well established pattern…but I was referring to congress. The press is corrupt for $$$$ and neutered too, of course.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Blogstar]It’s a well established pattern…but I was referring to congress. The press is corrupt for $$$$ and neutered too, of course.[/quote]

Russ: It used to be that the press kept elected officials honest, but no more.

As much as people want to complain about the press being in the tank for Obama, they were just as deferential to Dubya, too, especially in the run-up to the Iraq War.

[svelte]

Ooops

http://boingboing.net/2012/11/14/all-up-in-my-snatch.html

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=svelte]Ooops

http://boingboing.net/2012/11/14/all-up-in-my-snatch.html%5B/quote%5D

Svelte: Holy freaking shit! That is hilarious!

Oh, and you owe me a new keyboard. My old one just got covered with Coke Zero.

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