What is Your Stake in Politics?

[briansd1]

[quote=flu] I really find it interesting about your obsession with “class” and “intelligencia/elitism”.
[/quote]

We have to understand class and sociology to understand the motivation of voters. Are the motivations rational or emotional?

I understand the motivations of working-class liberals who want more social benefits.

I’m still trying to grasp the rational motivations of working-class conservatives.

The reality is that without the working-class conservative votes, the right would never win.

[quote=flu]
Hopefully this doesn’t end up being a my daddy’s better than your daddy’s sort of discussion. But if you want to go there..[/quote]

I’m not the one asking personal questions and making it personal.

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]

We have to understand class and sociology to understand the motivation of voters. Are the motivations rational or emotional?

I understand the motivations of working-class liberals who want more social benefits.

I’m still trying to grasp the rational motivations of working-class conservatives.

The reality is that without the working-class conservative votes, the right would never win.

[quote=flu]
Hopefully this doesn’t end up being a my daddy’s better than your daddy’s sort of discussion. But if you want to go there..[/quote]

I’m not the one asking personal questions and making it personal.[/quote]

Maybe I missed something in translation….

[quote=briansd1]
You are clearly not the kind of conservative for whom good manners and impeccable upbringing are important.
[/quote]

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]

We have to understand class and sociology to understand the motivation of voters. Are the motivations rational or emotional?

I understand the motivations of working-class liberals who want more social benefits.

I’m still trying to grasp the rational motivations of working-class conservatives.

The reality is that without the working-class conservative votes, the right would never win.

[quote=flu]
Hopefully this doesn’t end up being a my daddy’s better than your daddy’s sort of discussion. But if you want to go there..[/quote]

I’m not the one asking personal questions and making it personal.[/quote]

Maybe I missed something in translation….

[quote=briansd1]
You are clearly not the kind of conservative for whom good manners and impeccable upbringing are important.
[/quote]

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]

We have to understand class and sociology to understand the motivation of voters. Are the motivations rational or emotional?

I understand the motivations of working-class liberals who want more social benefits.

I’m still trying to grasp the rational motivations of working-class conservatives.

The reality is that without the working-class conservative votes, the right would never win.

[quote=flu]
Hopefully this doesn’t end up being a my daddy’s better than your daddy’s sort of discussion. But if you want to go there..[/quote]

I’m not the one asking personal questions and making it personal.[/quote]

Maybe I missed something in translation….

[quote=briansd1]
You are clearly not the kind of conservative for whom good manners and impeccable upbringing are important.
[/quote]

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]

We have to understand class and sociology to understand the motivation of voters. Are the motivations rational or emotional?

I understand the motivations of working-class liberals who want more social benefits.

I’m still trying to grasp the rational motivations of working-class conservatives.

The reality is that without the working-class conservative votes, the right would never win.

[quote=flu]
Hopefully this doesn’t end up being a my daddy’s better than your daddy’s sort of discussion. But if you want to go there..[/quote]

I’m not the one asking personal questions and making it personal.[/quote]

Maybe I missed something in translation….

[quote=briansd1]
You are clearly not the kind of conservative for whom good manners and impeccable upbringing are important.
[/quote]

[Coronita]

[quote=briansd1]

We have to understand class and sociology to understand the motivation of voters. Are the motivations rational or emotional?

I understand the motivations of working-class liberals who want more social benefits.

I’m still trying to grasp the rational motivations of working-class conservatives.

The reality is that without the working-class conservative votes, the right would never win.

[quote=flu]
Hopefully this doesn’t end up being a my daddy’s better than your daddy’s sort of discussion. But if you want to go there..[/quote]

I’m not the one asking personal questions and making it personal.[/quote]

Maybe I missed something in translation….

[quote=briansd1]
You are clearly not the kind of conservative for whom good manners and impeccable upbringing are important.
[/quote]

[UCGal]

[quote=jstoesz][quote]But emotions does seem to drive many votes, especially among the working-class in the Red States and in the red areas along the coasts.[/quote]

Here is one kind of Dem voter
Using my reason and immense gray matter, I have determined only to vote for those who can give me stuff…basically those who steal for me…

[edit]Actually the first voter mentioned is probably the most well reasoned of us all![/quote]

Hmmm. Using my reason and immense gray matter, I have determined to only vote for those who give my company specific benefit – like medicare part d if I’m a pharma company, or TARP if I’m a bank, or defense contracts if I’m a defense company…

(I doubt those are dem’s making that argument.)

My point – people of both parties often vote with their bottom line in mind – whether it is business opportunities, tax policies, etc.

[UCGal]

[quote=jstoesz][quote]But emotions does seem to drive many votes, especially among the working-class in the Red States and in the red areas along the coasts.[/quote]

Here is one kind of Dem voter
Using my reason and immense gray matter, I have determined only to vote for those who can give me stuff…basically those who steal for me…

[edit]Actually the first voter mentioned is probably the most well reasoned of us all![/quote]

Hmmm. Using my reason and immense gray matter, I have determined to only vote for those who give my company specific benefit – like medicare part d if I’m a pharma company, or TARP if I’m a bank, or defense contracts if I’m a defense company…

(I doubt those are dem’s making that argument.)

My point – people of both parties often vote with their bottom line in mind – whether it is business opportunities, tax policies, etc.

[UCGal]

[quote=jstoesz][quote]But emotions does seem to drive many votes, especially among the working-class in the Red States and in the red areas along the coasts.[/quote]

Here is one kind of Dem voter
Using my reason and immense gray matter, I have determined only to vote for those who can give me stuff…basically those who steal for me…

[edit]Actually the first voter mentioned is probably the most well reasoned of us all![/quote]

Hmmm. Using my reason and immense gray matter, I have determined to only vote for those who give my company specific benefit – like medicare part d if I’m a pharma company, or TARP if I’m a bank, or defense contracts if I’m a defense company…

(I doubt those are dem’s making that argument.)

My point – people of both parties often vote with their bottom line in mind – whether it is business opportunities, tax policies, etc.

[UCGal]

[quote=jstoesz][quote]But emotions does seem to drive many votes, especially among the working-class in the Red States and in the red areas along the coasts.[/quote]

Here is one kind of Dem voter
Using my reason and immense gray matter, I have determined only to vote for those who can give me stuff…basically those who steal for me…

[edit]Actually the first voter mentioned is probably the most well reasoned of us all![/quote]

Hmmm. Using my reason and immense gray matter, I have determined to only vote for those who give my company specific benefit – like medicare part d if I’m a pharma company, or TARP if I’m a bank, or defense contracts if I’m a defense company…

(I doubt those are dem’s making that argument.)

My point – people of both parties often vote with their bottom line in mind – whether it is business opportunities, tax policies, etc.

[UCGal]

[quote=jstoesz][quote]But emotions does seem to drive many votes, especially among the working-class in the Red States and in the red areas along the coasts.[/quote]

Here is one kind of Dem voter
Using my reason and immense gray matter, I have determined only to vote for those who can give me stuff…basically those who steal for me…

[edit]Actually the first voter mentioned is probably the most well reasoned of us all![/quote]

Hmmm. Using my reason and immense gray matter, I have determined to only vote for those who give my company specific benefit – like medicare part d if I’m a pharma company, or TARP if I’m a bank, or defense contracts if I’m a defense company…

(I doubt those are dem’s making that argument.)

My point – people of both parties often vote with their bottom line in mind – whether it is business opportunities, tax policies, etc.

[jstoesz]

[quote]Thats the difference between you and me.[/quote]

Translation: I am so high minded and noble, I care so much about “poor” people that I am willing to rob others to pay for their “needs”

I do not want to get into the merits of nationalized health and the like. I think reasonable people can disagree. But with our tax code the way it is (picking winners and losers and taking it in clandestine ways), our treasury is filled with stolen money.

If everyone has to cut a check every month to the treasury…you can be sure our government would act a good bit differently. At that point if the populous votes for free busing…who am I to disagree.

Bit of introspection for those libertarian types (myself included)…Do you give significantly to charity?

[jstoesz]

[quote]Thats the difference between you and me.[/quote]

Translation: I am so high minded and noble, I care so much about “poor” people that I am willing to rob others to pay for their “needs”

I do not want to get into the merits of nationalized health and the like. I think reasonable people can disagree. But with our tax code the way it is (picking winners and losers and taking it in clandestine ways), our treasury is filled with stolen money.

If everyone has to cut a check every month to the treasury…you can be sure our government would act a good bit differently. At that point if the populous votes for free busing…who am I to disagree.

Bit of introspection for those libertarian types (myself included)…Do you give significantly to charity?

[jstoesz]

[quote]Thats the difference between you and me.[/quote]

Translation: I am so high minded and noble, I care so much about “poor” people that I am willing to rob others to pay for their “needs”

I do not want to get into the merits of nationalized health and the like. I think reasonable people can disagree. But with our tax code the way it is (picking winners and losers and taking it in clandestine ways), our treasury is filled with stolen money.

If everyone has to cut a check every month to the treasury…you can be sure our government would act a good bit differently. At that point if the populous votes for free busing…who am I to disagree.

Bit of introspection for those libertarian types (myself included)…Do you give significantly to charity?

[jstoesz]

[quote]Thats the difference between you and me.[/quote]

Translation: I am so high minded and noble, I care so much about “poor” people that I am willing to rob others to pay for their “needs”

I do not want to get into the merits of nationalized health and the like. I think reasonable people can disagree. But with our tax code the way it is (picking winners and losers and taking it in clandestine ways), our treasury is filled with stolen money.

If everyone has to cut a check every month to the treasury…you can be sure our government would act a good bit differently. At that point if the populous votes for free busing…who am I to disagree.

Bit of introspection for those libertarian types (myself included)…Do you give significantly to charity?

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