What is Your Stake in Politics?

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To me it’s about bringing gov’t worker benefits and salaries back down to reality. Shrinking the size of gov’t.

The strike in France has it’s roots in the same issue, although were not being told that in general.

NPR made that point last week, I haven’t heard that anywhere else.

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1]
My point – people of both parties often vote with their bottom line in mind – whether it is business opportunities, tax policies, etc.

Voting your bottom line is rational and I accept that.

But how do we explain the working-class conservatives in the poor Red States and the poor/poorer areas of California?

Notice that all the counties along the Coast of California are blue (expect for Del Norte County, and the very top, and Orange County, home to thousands of right-wing Vietnamese refugees on welfare who tip the balance in favor of the Republicans).

As was discussed before, the estate tax is a big rallying cry for Tea Partiers and conservatives. But it only affects 5500 estates per year. It’s clearly not a bottom line issue for those conservatives.

enron_by_the_sea explained working-class conservative motivations the best so far.[/quote]

Even though I am one of those ignorant, working class, Republicans, I am still smart enough to know that is is wrong for anyone (government included) to take something that doesn’t belong to them (in the form of higher taxes, fees, etc.) regardless of their intent.

Also, as a working class, ignorant, Republican, I can’t stand the snobbery coming from the “Intellectual Elites” who seem to think they know how I should live my life better than I do.

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1]
My point – people of both parties often vote with their bottom line in mind – whether it is business opportunities, tax policies, etc.

Voting your bottom line is rational and I accept that.

But how do we explain the working-class conservatives in the poor Red States and the poor/poorer areas of California?

Notice that all the counties along the Coast of California are blue (expect for Del Norte County, and the very top, and Orange County, home to thousands of right-wing Vietnamese refugees on welfare who tip the balance in favor of the Republicans).

As was discussed before, the estate tax is a big rallying cry for Tea Partiers and conservatives. But it only affects 5500 estates per year. It’s clearly not a bottom line issue for those conservatives.

enron_by_the_sea explained working-class conservative motivations the best so far.[/quote]

Even though I am one of those ignorant, working class, Republicans, I am still smart enough to know that is is wrong for anyone (government included) to take something that doesn’t belong to them (in the form of higher taxes, fees, etc.) regardless of their intent.

Also, as a working class, ignorant, Republican, I can’t stand the snobbery coming from the “Intellectual Elites” who seem to think they know how I should live my life better than I do.

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1]
My point – people of both parties often vote with their bottom line in mind – whether it is business opportunities, tax policies, etc.

Voting your bottom line is rational and I accept that.

But how do we explain the working-class conservatives in the poor Red States and the poor/poorer areas of California?

Notice that all the counties along the Coast of California are blue (expect for Del Norte County, and the very top, and Orange County, home to thousands of right-wing Vietnamese refugees on welfare who tip the balance in favor of the Republicans).

As was discussed before, the estate tax is a big rallying cry for Tea Partiers and conservatives. But it only affects 5500 estates per year. It’s clearly not a bottom line issue for those conservatives.

enron_by_the_sea explained working-class conservative motivations the best so far.[/quote]

Even though I am one of those ignorant, working class, Republicans, I am still smart enough to know that is is wrong for anyone (government included) to take something that doesn’t belong to them (in the form of higher taxes, fees, etc.) regardless of their intent.

Also, as a working class, ignorant, Republican, I can’t stand the snobbery coming from the “Intellectual Elites” who seem to think they know how I should live my life better than I do.

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1]
My point – people of both parties often vote with their bottom line in mind – whether it is business opportunities, tax policies, etc.

Voting your bottom line is rational and I accept that.

But how do we explain the working-class conservatives in the poor Red States and the poor/poorer areas of California?

Notice that all the counties along the Coast of California are blue (expect for Del Norte County, and the very top, and Orange County, home to thousands of right-wing Vietnamese refugees on welfare who tip the balance in favor of the Republicans).

As was discussed before, the estate tax is a big rallying cry for Tea Partiers and conservatives. But it only affects 5500 estates per year. It’s clearly not a bottom line issue for those conservatives.

enron_by_the_sea explained working-class conservative motivations the best so far.[/quote]

Even though I am one of those ignorant, working class, Republicans, I am still smart enough to know that is is wrong for anyone (government included) to take something that doesn’t belong to them (in the form of higher taxes, fees, etc.) regardless of their intent.

Also, as a working class, ignorant, Republican, I can’t stand the snobbery coming from the “Intellectual Elites” who seem to think they know how I should live my life better than I do.

[mike92104]

[quote=briansd1]
My point – people of both parties often vote with their bottom line in mind – whether it is business opportunities, tax policies, etc.

Voting your bottom line is rational and I accept that.

But how do we explain the working-class conservatives in the poor Red States and the poor/poorer areas of California?

Notice that all the counties along the Coast of California are blue (expect for Del Norte County, and the very top, and Orange County, home to thousands of right-wing Vietnamese refugees on welfare who tip the balance in favor of the Republicans).

As was discussed before, the estate tax is a big rallying cry for Tea Partiers and conservatives. But it only affects 5500 estates per year. It’s clearly not a bottom line issue for those conservatives.

enron_by_the_sea explained working-class conservative motivations the best so far.[/quote]

Even though I am one of those ignorant, working class, Republicans, I am still smart enough to know that is is wrong for anyone (government included) to take something that doesn’t belong to them (in the form of higher taxes, fees, etc.) regardless of their intent.

Also, as a working class, ignorant, Republican, I can’t stand the snobbery coming from the “Intellectual Elites” who seem to think they know how I should live my life better than I do.

[briansd1]

[quote=mike92104]
Even though I am one of those ignorant, working class, Republicans, I am still smart enough to know that is is wrong for anyone (government included) to take something that doesn’t belong to them (in the form of higher taxes, fees, etc.) regardless of their intent.
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It seems like this is where economics and conservatism diverge.

The economic assumption has been that groups of people who would what’s best for them.

Why is it that poorest states and the some of the poorest, most rural areas are red?

[quote=mike92104]
Also, as a working class, ignorant, Republican, I can’t stand the snobbery coming from the “Intellectual Elites” who seem to think they know how I should live my life better than I do.[/quote]

hummm… that’s very interesting here.

To conservatives, university professors are elitist. But vulgar, loud-mouthed, disgustingly obese millionaire media commentators who make their money off of their own listeners are people to be admired.

Conservatives refudiate academics who spend their whole careers studying various subjects are elitists; but the 5,500 (of out millions of Americans) who are subject to the estate tax should be protected (maybe they are not part of the elite?).

According to conservatives, we better off being led by a self-proclaimed redneck housewife who can’t even educate her own children.

I guess conservatives would rather have dinner on a ping-ping table instead of sitting at a properly set dinner table (because that’s apparently what “elitists” do).

[briansd1]

[quote=mike92104]
Even though I am one of those ignorant, working class, Republicans, I am still smart enough to know that is is wrong for anyone (government included) to take something that doesn’t belong to them (in the form of higher taxes, fees, etc.) regardless of their intent.
[/quote]

It seems like this is where economics and conservatism diverge.

The economic assumption has been that groups of people who would what’s best for them.

Why is it that poorest states and the some of the poorest, most rural areas are red?

[quote=mike92104]
Also, as a working class, ignorant, Republican, I can’t stand the snobbery coming from the “Intellectual Elites” who seem to think they know how I should live my life better than I do.[/quote]

hummm… that’s very interesting here.

To conservatives, university professors are elitist. But vulgar, loud-mouthed, disgustingly obese millionaire media commentators who make their money off of their own listeners are people to be admired.

Conservatives refudiate academics who spend their whole careers studying various subjects are elitists; but the 5,500 (of out millions of Americans) who are subject to the estate tax should be protected (maybe they are not part of the elite?).

According to conservatives, we better off being led by a self-proclaimed redneck housewife who can’t even educate her own children.

I guess conservatives would rather have dinner on a ping-ping table instead of sitting at a properly set dinner table (because that’s apparently what “elitists” do).

[briansd1]

[quote=mike92104]
Even though I am one of those ignorant, working class, Republicans, I am still smart enough to know that is is wrong for anyone (government included) to take something that doesn’t belong to them (in the form of higher taxes, fees, etc.) regardless of their intent.
[/quote]

It seems like this is where economics and conservatism diverge.

The economic assumption has been that groups of people who would what’s best for them.

Why is it that poorest states and the some of the poorest, most rural areas are red?

[quote=mike92104]
Also, as a working class, ignorant, Republican, I can’t stand the snobbery coming from the “Intellectual Elites” who seem to think they know how I should live my life better than I do.[/quote]

hummm… that’s very interesting here.

To conservatives, university professors are elitist. But vulgar, loud-mouthed, disgustingly obese millionaire media commentators who make their money off of their own listeners are people to be admired.

Conservatives refudiate academics who spend their whole careers studying various subjects are elitists; but the 5,500 (of out millions of Americans) who are subject to the estate tax should be protected (maybe they are not part of the elite?).

According to conservatives, we better off being led by a self-proclaimed redneck housewife who can’t even educate her own children.

I guess conservatives would rather have dinner on a ping-ping table instead of sitting at a properly set dinner table (because that’s apparently what “elitists” do).

[briansd1]

[quote=mike92104]
Even though I am one of those ignorant, working class, Republicans, I am still smart enough to know that is is wrong for anyone (government included) to take something that doesn’t belong to them (in the form of higher taxes, fees, etc.) regardless of their intent.
[/quote]

It seems like this is where economics and conservatism diverge.

The economic assumption has been that groups of people who would what’s best for them.

Why is it that poorest states and the some of the poorest, most rural areas are red?

[quote=mike92104]
Also, as a working class, ignorant, Republican, I can’t stand the snobbery coming from the “Intellectual Elites” who seem to think they know how I should live my life better than I do.[/quote]

hummm… that’s very interesting here.

To conservatives, university professors are elitist. But vulgar, loud-mouthed, disgustingly obese millionaire media commentators who make their money off of their own listeners are people to be admired.

Conservatives refudiate academics who spend their whole careers studying various subjects are elitists; but the 5,500 (of out millions of Americans) who are subject to the estate tax should be protected (maybe they are not part of the elite?).

According to conservatives, we better off being led by a self-proclaimed redneck housewife who can’t even educate her own children.

I guess conservatives would rather have dinner on a ping-ping table instead of sitting at a properly set dinner table (because that’s apparently what “elitists” do).

[briansd1]

[quote=mike92104]
Even though I am one of those ignorant, working class, Republicans, I am still smart enough to know that is is wrong for anyone (government included) to take something that doesn’t belong to them (in the form of higher taxes, fees, etc.) regardless of their intent.
[/quote]

It seems like this is where economics and conservatism diverge.

The economic assumption has been that groups of people who would what’s best for them.

Why is it that poorest states and the some of the poorest, most rural areas are red?

[quote=mike92104]
Also, as a working class, ignorant, Republican, I can’t stand the snobbery coming from the “Intellectual Elites” who seem to think they know how I should live my life better than I do.[/quote]

hummm… that’s very interesting here.

To conservatives, university professors are elitist. But vulgar, loud-mouthed, disgustingly obese millionaire media commentators who make their money off of their own listeners are people to be admired.

Conservatives refudiate academics who spend their whole careers studying various subjects are elitists; but the 5,500 (of out millions of Americans) who are subject to the estate tax should be protected (maybe they are not part of the elite?).

According to conservatives, we better off being led by a self-proclaimed redneck housewife who can’t even educate her own children.

I guess conservatives would rather have dinner on a ping-ping table instead of sitting at a properly set dinner table (because that’s apparently what “elitists” do).

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