What is “work” and how do we value it?

[CA renter]

[quote=LA Reader][quote=sdduuuude]

Having a minimum wage doesn’t affect the value of the work we can do. It simply makes it economically infeasible for legitimate businesses to hire people who can’t do a job that is not worth more than min wage. So, those poeople don’t work. Or they go on welfare. It’s a system designed to waste taxpayers’ money.

It’s like saying “lets make the ‘minimum price’ for hot dogs $15. Would the price of hot dogs go up? No. People would stop selling them because nobody would buy them. The value of a hot dog is what it is. Setting a min price doesn’t change that and results in fewer sales.

If min wage is so useful, why not set it at $100/hr ? Then we’d all be rich !!!! Oh. I see. There is an “optimal” minimum wage you say? How does one determine the optimal value for a minimum wage? Ah. We rely on the brillian economists that didn’t see any of the current mess coming. That’s how

It’s just absurd that someone thinks they can pull a minimum wage value out of their ass, thinking they can actually help the economy. It is one of the stupidist economic decisions ever made.[/quote]

Not true. In certain countries cars at taxed at almost 100%. So a car that cost $25k here cost $50k there. So in essence in those countries the government decided that “Hot Dog” is $15. People have no choice but they still want “Hot Dog” so they buy them at the inflated price.

Hell I’ve seen Americans pay $50 for Pizza Hut Pizza because they missed the American Taste while abroad.

Value of things are all relative. Just like housing prices.[/quote]

Yes, this is what I’ve seen.

Employers will always pay the minimum wage possible. If the employers can increase their margins/bonuses/personal compensation, the workers will always lose.

Personally, I would prefer to see a system where those who take the risks are the ones who get rewarded. Unfortunately, our system is set up to protect only those at the top via laws of incorporation and limited liability. They can make all the money on the way up, but have no liability on the way down. In the meantime, they will squeeze every penny out of those who do the actual work, and they will do everything in their power to increase the wealth disparity.

Perhaps we could come up with a system whereby those who elect to have LLC/corporate protections will have their total compensation restricted to a lower multiple of the lowest-paid person who works for the same company or group of companies.

The elite have made sure they are protected. I like to see the “little guy” (who does all the work) protected as well; which is why I support unions and trade restrictions.

[greekfire]

Thomas Jefferson….even before he drafted the Declaration of Independence at 33, could “calculate an eclipse, survey an estate, tie an artery, plan an edifice, try a cause, break a horse, dance a minuet and play the violin,” to say nothing of being an informed parliamentarian, a collector of manuscript laws, an author of a revolutionary tract, a craftsman in metal, a creative pioneer in archeology and an organizer of plans for improving the navigation of a river.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19670603&id=Ax8qAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6ycEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2013,1246194

[greekfire]

Thomas Jefferson….even before he drafted the Declaration of Independence at 33, could “calculate an eclipse, survey an estate, tie an artery, plan an edifice, try a cause, break a horse, dance a minuet and play the violin,” to say nothing of being an informed parliamentarian, a collector of manuscript laws, an author of a revolutionary tract, a craftsman in metal, a creative pioneer in archeology and an organizer of plans for improving the navigation of a river.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19670603&id=Ax8qAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6ycEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2013,1246194

[greekfire]

Thomas Jefferson….even before he drafted the Declaration of Independence at 33, could “calculate an eclipse, survey an estate, tie an artery, plan an edifice, try a cause, break a horse, dance a minuet and play the violin,” to say nothing of being an informed parliamentarian, a collector of manuscript laws, an author of a revolutionary tract, a craftsman in metal, a creative pioneer in archeology and an organizer of plans for improving the navigation of a river.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19670603&id=Ax8qAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6ycEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2013,1246194

[greekfire]

Thomas Jefferson….even before he drafted the Declaration of Independence at 33, could “calculate an eclipse, survey an estate, tie an artery, plan an edifice, try a cause, break a horse, dance a minuet and play the violin,” to say nothing of being an informed parliamentarian, a collector of manuscript laws, an author of a revolutionary tract, a craftsman in metal, a creative pioneer in archeology and an organizer of plans for improving the navigation of a river.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19670603&id=Ax8qAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6ycEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2013,1246194

[greekfire]

Thomas Jefferson….even before he drafted the Declaration of Independence at 33, could “calculate an eclipse, survey an estate, tie an artery, plan an edifice, try a cause, break a horse, dance a minuet and play the violin,” to say nothing of being an informed parliamentarian, a collector of manuscript laws, an author of a revolutionary tract, a craftsman in metal, a creative pioneer in archeology and an organizer of plans for improving the navigation of a river.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1499&dat=19670603&id=Ax8qAAAAIBAJ&sjid=6ycEAAAAIBAJ&pg=2013,1246194

[patb]

Work is Force Times Distance.

Real Work is Force times Distance ( Measured in the X plane)

[patb]

Work is Force Times Distance.

Real Work is Force times Distance ( Measured in the X plane)

[patb]

Work is Force Times Distance.

Real Work is Force times Distance ( Measured in the X plane)

[patb]

Work is Force Times Distance.

Real Work is Force times Distance ( Measured in the X plane)

[patb]

Work is Force Times Distance.

Real Work is Force times Distance ( Measured in the X plane)

[LA Reader]

[quote=CA renter]

Perhaps we could come up with a system whereby those who elect to have LLC/corporate protections will have their total compensation restricted to a lower multiple of the lowest-paid person who works for the same company or group of companies.

The elite have made sure they are protected. I like to see the “little guy” (who does all the work) protected as well; which is why I support unions and trade restrictions.[/quote]

I hate the Unions and their BS tactics. They had their place in the History but now they are as much a cause of destruction of American Competitiveness as those CEO’s who make Millions while their company loses money.

I’ve dealt with them in many instances and they just breed laziness and sense of entitlement. I don’t buy into this “real work” is only in physical labor/making something. In my business, people who work the hardest are the management & salaried employees who gets no OT but just really want to do a good for the company while those so called people who do “The Real Work” just complain about their rates, Bennies, holiday pay, lunch, turn arounds and title constantly. And those guys actually make a lot of money while Salaried employees make very little unless they make it to Upper Management.

But I am all for tying CEO’s & Board of Directors pay to multiples of lowest paid employee or to average pay of none upper executive employees.

We pay insane amount of money to Executives and this is not a norm. And this “if we don’t pay all the best brains will leave us” excuse is a BS. Executives in Most other countries don’t make that kind of crazy money, so where the hell are they going to go?

[LA Reader]

[quote=CA renter]

Perhaps we could come up with a system whereby those who elect to have LLC/corporate protections will have their total compensation restricted to a lower multiple of the lowest-paid person who works for the same company or group of companies.

The elite have made sure they are protected. I like to see the “little guy” (who does all the work) protected as well; which is why I support unions and trade restrictions.[/quote]

I hate the Unions and their BS tactics. They had their place in the History but now they are as much a cause of destruction of American Competitiveness as those CEO’s who make Millions while their company loses money.

I’ve dealt with them in many instances and they just breed laziness and sense of entitlement. I don’t buy into this “real work” is only in physical labor/making something. In my business, people who work the hardest are the management & salaried employees who gets no OT but just really want to do a good for the company while those so called people who do “The Real Work” just complain about their rates, Bennies, holiday pay, lunch, turn arounds and title constantly. And those guys actually make a lot of money while Salaried employees make very little unless they make it to Upper Management.

But I am all for tying CEO’s & Board of Directors pay to multiples of lowest paid employee or to average pay of none upper executive employees.

We pay insane amount of money to Executives and this is not a norm. And this “if we don’t pay all the best brains will leave us” excuse is a BS. Executives in Most other countries don’t make that kind of crazy money, so where the hell are they going to go?

[LA Reader]

[quote=CA renter]

Perhaps we could come up with a system whereby those who elect to have LLC/corporate protections will have their total compensation restricted to a lower multiple of the lowest-paid person who works for the same company or group of companies.

The elite have made sure they are protected. I like to see the “little guy” (who does all the work) protected as well; which is why I support unions and trade restrictions.[/quote]

I hate the Unions and their BS tactics. They had their place in the History but now they are as much a cause of destruction of American Competitiveness as those CEO’s who make Millions while their company loses money.

I’ve dealt with them in many instances and they just breed laziness and sense of entitlement. I don’t buy into this “real work” is only in physical labor/making something. In my business, people who work the hardest are the management & salaried employees who gets no OT but just really want to do a good for the company while those so called people who do “The Real Work” just complain about their rates, Bennies, holiday pay, lunch, turn arounds and title constantly. And those guys actually make a lot of money while Salaried employees make very little unless they make it to Upper Management.

But I am all for tying CEO’s & Board of Directors pay to multiples of lowest paid employee or to average pay of none upper executive employees.

We pay insane amount of money to Executives and this is not a norm. And this “if we don’t pay all the best brains will leave us” excuse is a BS. Executives in Most other countries don’t make that kind of crazy money, so where the hell are they going to go?

[LA Reader]

[quote=CA renter]

Perhaps we could come up with a system whereby those who elect to have LLC/corporate protections will have their total compensation restricted to a lower multiple of the lowest-paid person who works for the same company or group of companies.

The elite have made sure they are protected. I like to see the “little guy” (who does all the work) protected as well; which is why I support unions and trade restrictions.[/quote]

I hate the Unions and their BS tactics. They had their place in the History but now they are as much a cause of destruction of American Competitiveness as those CEO’s who make Millions while their company loses money.

I’ve dealt with them in many instances and they just breed laziness and sense of entitlement. I don’t buy into this “real work” is only in physical labor/making something. In my business, people who work the hardest are the management & salaried employees who gets no OT but just really want to do a good for the company while those so called people who do “The Real Work” just complain about their rates, Bennies, holiday pay, lunch, turn arounds and title constantly. And those guys actually make a lot of money while Salaried employees make very little unless they make it to Upper Management.

But I am all for tying CEO’s & Board of Directors pay to multiples of lowest paid employee or to average pay of none upper executive employees.

We pay insane amount of money to Executives and this is not a norm. And this “if we don’t pay all the best brains will leave us” excuse is a BS. Executives in Most other countries don’t make that kind of crazy money, so where the hell are they going to go?

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