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[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=briansd1][quote=SK in CV]
Maybe you’re being a bit too defensive. And exagerating the facts to support that defensiveness.

Nobody was arrested on suspicion of burglary. It was for disturbing the peace, before the charges were dropped. They were dropped because, as a practical matter, it is not illegal to disturb the peace inside your own home. He was arrested for being an uppity black man to a cop. Obama hasn’t taken a local matter into his own hands, there is no remaining local matter, the case was dropped. He didn’t call the Boston PD stupid. (The Boston PD wasn’t even involved.)

If Obama’s very sparse words on the subject, leaves you feeling that you are being beaten to submission, can you imagine how virtually every black man, every man and woman of color feel every day in this country? The poor white man. Always the victim. Of course you want to drop the conversation about race. It’s not comfortable.[/quote]

I agree. Obama was just commenting on a friend.

To me it’s question a of civil liberties.

1) How would you like it if any of your neighbors could call the police who then barge into your house demanding ID and proof that it’s your house?

What is the probable cause other than the innocent 911 call.

2) What if you rent the house? Would you have to produce the rental agreement too? Of course, you should have it by the front door in case the police shows up demanding proof of residence!

3) What if you weren’t home and had given the keys to your elderly in-laws who had trouble opening the door. They would be arrested for lack of proof of residence.

Allan in Fallbrook, I’m very surprised that as a gun owner and conservative you would support such sweeping police power. Not aware that the police were coming, I think that you might have shot he intruder trespassing onto your property.

Allan, I also believe that if someone trespassed onto your property, you would be verbally stern, if not abusive. You would demand ID first.[/quote]

Brian: No disagreement from me on either of your points. However, I don’t keep loaded guns in the house (I have kids), so that point is probably moot.

You’re absolutely right about my being stern, if not abusive in the same situation. Yup, fo sho. I’m not arguing for those sweeping police powers, I was simply laying out the facts of this particular situation. In so doing, I was NOT excusing Crowley’s behavior, I was explaining the procedures he was following.

I do agree that he should have gritted his teeth and walked away. He clearly did not do that and chose to arrest Gates. I agree he should have exercised better judgment, but so should Obama, especially with the “third rail” that racism represents in this country.

Gates was arrested because he was acting like an asshole, not because he was black and for Gates and/or Obama to suggest otherwise is completely contradicted by the facts. I would respectfully offer that Gates is far more racist in his own way than Crowley (a police officer who enjoys the respect of his colored colleagues, by all accounts).

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
My argument is that Obama did not have full possession of the facts and for someone who fancies them a critical thinker, that’s completely unacceptable. Given his position, he should have demonstrated a cooler head himself and realized the effects of his pronouncement.[/quote]

That’s why Obama clarified his comments.

I personally think that the arrest was stupid. Obama used the right word. The police associations didn’t like his comments and created a mountain out of a molehill.

I’m surprised that the ultra conservatives rushed to the defense of the police.

I’m sure that they’ll feel differently the next time a police arrests Christian parents who homeschool their kids because the neighbors made a child-abuse call. Or a homeowner is arrested and his guns confiscated after a neighbor claims to have heard some noise.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
My argument is that Obama did not have full possession of the facts and for someone who fancies them a critical thinker, that’s completely unacceptable. Given his position, he should have demonstrated a cooler head himself and realized the effects of his pronouncement.[/quote]

That’s why Obama clarified his comments.

I personally think that the arrest was stupid. Obama used the right word. The police associations didn’t like his comments and created a mountain out of a molehill.

I’m surprised that the ultra conservatives rushed to the defense of the police.

I’m sure that they’ll feel differently the next time a police arrests Christian parents who homeschool their kids because the neighbors made a child-abuse call. Or a homeowner is arrested and his guns confiscated after a neighbor claims to have heard some noise.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
My argument is that Obama did not have full possession of the facts and for someone who fancies them a critical thinker, that’s completely unacceptable. Given his position, he should have demonstrated a cooler head himself and realized the effects of his pronouncement.[/quote]

That’s why Obama clarified his comments.

I personally think that the arrest was stupid. Obama used the right word. The police associations didn’t like his comments and created a mountain out of a molehill.

I’m surprised that the ultra conservatives rushed to the defense of the police.

I’m sure that they’ll feel differently the next time a police arrests Christian parents who homeschool their kids because the neighbors made a child-abuse call. Or a homeowner is arrested and his guns confiscated after a neighbor claims to have heard some noise.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
My argument is that Obama did not have full possession of the facts and for someone who fancies them a critical thinker, that’s completely unacceptable. Given his position, he should have demonstrated a cooler head himself and realized the effects of his pronouncement.[/quote]

That’s why Obama clarified his comments.

I personally think that the arrest was stupid. Obama used the right word. The police associations didn’t like his comments and created a mountain out of a molehill.

I’m surprised that the ultra conservatives rushed to the defense of the police.

I’m sure that they’ll feel differently the next time a police arrests Christian parents who homeschool their kids because the neighbors made a child-abuse call. Or a homeowner is arrested and his guns confiscated after a neighbor claims to have heard some noise.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
My argument is that Obama did not have full possession of the facts and for someone who fancies them a critical thinker, that’s completely unacceptable. Given his position, he should have demonstrated a cooler head himself and realized the effects of his pronouncement.[/quote]

That’s why Obama clarified his comments.

I personally think that the arrest was stupid. Obama used the right word. The police associations didn’t like his comments and created a mountain out of a molehill.

I’m surprised that the ultra conservatives rushed to the defense of the police.

I’m sure that they’ll feel differently the next time a police arrests Christian parents who homeschool their kids because the neighbors made a child-abuse call. Or a homeowner is arrested and his guns confiscated after a neighbor claims to have heard some noise.

[Aecetia]

What really happened is Obama’s people told him how many cops, cops relatives and affiliates are in the country and how many votes he would lose if he continued down the path and he decided to eat some crow to save some votes. It is very political and he knows he made a mistake. If Obama wants to be the President of all the people and not just certain people then he better stick to his written remarks and stop acting like a community organizer and start acting like a president. You can’t have it both ways.

Allan is right- Gates acted like an asshole and the Crowley took the bait. Maybe Gates wanted to be arrested. It is too bad Crowley did not walk away, but I am sure he has some of the outburst recorded. Maybe the meeting over beers will help.

[Aecetia]

What really happened is Obama’s people told him how many cops, cops relatives and affiliates are in the country and how many votes he would lose if he continued down the path and he decided to eat some crow to save some votes. It is very political and he knows he made a mistake. If Obama wants to be the President of all the people and not just certain people then he better stick to his written remarks and stop acting like a community organizer and start acting like a president. You can’t have it both ways.

Allan is right- Gates acted like an asshole and the Crowley took the bait. Maybe Gates wanted to be arrested. It is too bad Crowley did not walk away, but I am sure he has some of the outburst recorded. Maybe the meeting over beers will help.

[Aecetia]

What really happened is Obama’s people told him how many cops, cops relatives and affiliates are in the country and how many votes he would lose if he continued down the path and he decided to eat some crow to save some votes. It is very political and he knows he made a mistake. If Obama wants to be the President of all the people and not just certain people then he better stick to his written remarks and stop acting like a community organizer and start acting like a president. You can’t have it both ways.

Allan is right- Gates acted like an asshole and the Crowley took the bait. Maybe Gates wanted to be arrested. It is too bad Crowley did not walk away, but I am sure he has some of the outburst recorded. Maybe the meeting over beers will help.

[Aecetia]

What really happened is Obama’s people told him how many cops, cops relatives and affiliates are in the country and how many votes he would lose if he continued down the path and he decided to eat some crow to save some votes. It is very political and he knows he made a mistake. If Obama wants to be the President of all the people and not just certain people then he better stick to his written remarks and stop acting like a community organizer and start acting like a president. You can’t have it both ways.

Allan is right- Gates acted like an asshole and the Crowley took the bait. Maybe Gates wanted to be arrested. It is too bad Crowley did not walk away, but I am sure he has some of the outburst recorded. Maybe the meeting over beers will help.

[Aecetia]

What really happened is Obama’s people told him how many cops, cops relatives and affiliates are in the country and how many votes he would lose if he continued down the path and he decided to eat some crow to save some votes. It is very political and he knows he made a mistake. If Obama wants to be the President of all the people and not just certain people then he better stick to his written remarks and stop acting like a community organizer and start acting like a president. You can’t have it both ways.

Allan is right- Gates acted like an asshole and the Crowley took the bait. Maybe Gates wanted to be arrested. It is too bad Crowley did not walk away, but I am sure he has some of the outburst recorded. Maybe the meeting over beers will help.

[briansd1]

Obama definitely should’ve been more circumspect when discussing the Gates case. But what he said was not wrong.

Obama never claimed racial discrimination.

I personally know some law enforcement officers who have told me about the belligerent home and business owners out in East County. They have to be careful when dealing with those folks.

Moral of story… be nice to your neighbors. Never know what they will call the police on you for.

[briansd1]

Obama definitely should’ve been more circumspect when discussing the Gates case. But what he said was not wrong.

Obama never claimed racial discrimination.

I personally know some law enforcement officers who have told me about the belligerent home and business owners out in East County. They have to be careful when dealing with those folks.

Moral of story… be nice to your neighbors. Never know what they will call the police on you for.

[briansd1]

Obama definitely should’ve been more circumspect when discussing the Gates case. But what he said was not wrong.

Obama never claimed racial discrimination.

I personally know some law enforcement officers who have told me about the belligerent home and business owners out in East County. They have to be careful when dealing with those folks.

Moral of story… be nice to your neighbors. Never know what they will call the police on you for.

[briansd1]

Obama definitely should’ve been more circumspect when discussing the Gates case. But what he said was not wrong.

Obama never claimed racial discrimination.

I personally know some law enforcement officers who have told me about the belligerent home and business owners out in East County. They have to be careful when dealing with those folks.

Moral of story… be nice to your neighbors. Never know what they will call the police on you for.

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