Wasting time in the housing market

[Alex_angel]

Obviously prices have come down. We all expect it to get worse but then the rates just jumped so fast that the price drop of the homes are now a wash with the higher rates. When will the buyer ever get a break?

[PD]

Maybe 2009.

[PD]

Maybe 2009.

[North County Jim]

When will the buyer ever get a break?

I would view higher rates as bad news for sellers. Every rise in interest rates reduces the buying pool. The only way to increase the buying pool at the higher interest rate is to lower the price.

[North County Jim]

When will the buyer ever get a break?

I would view higher rates as bad news for sellers. Every rise in interest rates reduces the buying pool. The only way to increase the buying pool at the higher interest rate is to lower the price.

[NotCranky]

“When will the buyer ever get a “break?”
If the “buyer” is someone who doesn’t want to pay too much for shelter and is getting the best education possible on home ownership and is living frugally and saving like crazy the buyer is getting a “break” right now.Actually the buyer is making his own “break” which is where the emphasis should be because we don’t control other things. If the buyer is spending his money , chomping at the bit because he got priced out, waiting for the fancy, comfy, entitlment houses that all the GF’s bought and is expecting it be easy for him someday he is wasting his time in the housing market.The ones that most likely aren’t getting a break are the ones that are doing the actual buying.

[NotCranky]

“When will the buyer ever get a “break?”
If the “buyer” is someone who doesn’t want to pay too much for shelter and is getting the best education possible on home ownership and is living frugally and saving like crazy the buyer is getting a “break” right now.Actually the buyer is making his own “break” which is where the emphasis should be because we don’t control other things. If the buyer is spending his money , chomping at the bit because he got priced out, waiting for the fancy, comfy, entitlment houses that all the GF’s bought and is expecting it be easy for him someday he is wasting his time in the housing market.The ones that most likely aren’t getting a break are the ones that are doing the actual buying.

[Alex_angel]

So then you’d rather have a scenario where no one at all is able to afford a house? What is your goal then? To wait for homes to some down 10% and rates to go up 2% so you can pay the same monthly payment on a house that is 30% lower than 3 years ago?

[Alex_angel]

So then you’d rather have a scenario where no one at all is able to afford a house? What is your goal then? To wait for homes to some down 10% and rates to go up 2% so you can pay the same monthly payment on a house that is 30% lower than 3 years ago?

[NotCranky]

No I didn’t say anything like that at all. I said wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.

[NotCranky]

No I didn’t say anything like that at all. I said wish in one hand and shit in the other and see which one fills up first.

[Anonymous]

Let the rates rise; prices will go down further. Then when rates are high and prices are low, buy and you’ll be nicely positioned.

[Anonymous]

Let the rates rise; prices will go down further. Then when rates are high and prices are low, buy and you’ll be nicely positioned.

[cr]

Rustico, I’m not sure I follow your comment “The ones that most likely aren’t getting a break are the ones that are doing the actual buying.” I guess the real question is what you both mean by break? A discount? A repreive? A Free Lunch?

The first buyer you describe (saving, living within their means) could get a break on pricing today, but I think the majority of people here would say prices are falling, and all the factors that drive price down are increasing. Buying today may be better than a year ago, but buying a year from now will probably be better, and 2 years better still. Although no one really knows, we all agree prices are dropping.

Which gets to Alex’ last question: if you look at the fundamentals of affordability, prices are too high regardless of rates. Higher rates will probably end up having little affect on those waiting to buy, and in fact will probably dry up more demand until prices further correct. The negative effect of rising rates will be on those who already over-extended to buy with exotic mortgages.

Your numbers change in your example, and I didn’t check a mortgage calculator but a 2% rate increase on a 30% lower home is most likely the break in pricing I think Rustico mentioned. I don’t think the payment would be the same, but the depends more on the type of loan and down payment. You get a 15yr fixed at 8 or 9% on 30-40% lower prices, you’ll be a lot better in the long run, unless of course you’re a speculator and want to sell at 100% profit after 6 months. That’s the biggest group of buyers the rates will scare off, which will drive prices down more.

Logically it makes more sense to take an ARM when rates are high, but no one thinks logically about housing. At least outside this forum.

[cr]

Rustico, I’m not sure I follow your comment “The ones that most likely aren’t getting a break are the ones that are doing the actual buying.” I guess the real question is what you both mean by break? A discount? A repreive? A Free Lunch?

The first buyer you describe (saving, living within their means) could get a break on pricing today, but I think the majority of people here would say prices are falling, and all the factors that drive price down are increasing. Buying today may be better than a year ago, but buying a year from now will probably be better, and 2 years better still. Although no one really knows, we all agree prices are dropping.

Which gets to Alex’ last question: if you look at the fundamentals of affordability, prices are too high regardless of rates. Higher rates will probably end up having little affect on those waiting to buy, and in fact will probably dry up more demand until prices further correct. The negative effect of rising rates will be on those who already over-extended to buy with exotic mortgages.

Your numbers change in your example, and I didn’t check a mortgage calculator but a 2% rate increase on a 30% lower home is most likely the break in pricing I think Rustico mentioned. I don’t think the payment would be the same, but the depends more on the type of loan and down payment. You get a 15yr fixed at 8 or 9% on 30-40% lower prices, you’ll be a lot better in the long run, unless of course you’re a speculator and want to sell at 100% profit after 6 months. That’s the biggest group of buyers the rates will scare off, which will drive prices down more.

Logically it makes more sense to take an ARM when rates are high, but no one thinks logically about housing. At least outside this forum.

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