Very Disturbing

[no_such_reality]

[quote=dumbrenter]Note: this post has nothing to do with the murder in london.

You guys are seeing this all wrong.
It is not the state policy (welfare or not) or multiculturalism.
It is simply about how people are taught values and how they perceive the world.
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As the old saying goes, point a finger and three point back. Everything you identified as to why Europe and frankly, America too, isn’t integrating new immigrants anymore is true of the immigrants themselves.

[FlyerInHi]

Integration is a myth. Prior to the television age and the interstate highway system, America was very fragmented in ethnic communities.

One of the reasons immigrants intergrated before is because they lost touch with their home countries and their relatives. There was nothing but network TV. Now you can order foreign cable channels and there’s the Internet. Remember when you could not even call your relatives back east because long distance was super expensive? The commoditization of jet travel and telecom changed all that.

[CA renter]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Integration is a myth. Prior to the television age and the interstate highway system, America was very fragmented in ethnic communities.

One of the reasons immigrants intergrated before is because they lost touch with their home countries and their relatives. There was nothing but network TV. Now you can order foreign cable channels and there’s the Internet. Remember when you could not even call your relatives back east because long distance was super expensive? The commoditization of jet travel and telecom changed all that.[/quote]

So, do you think it’s preferable that people stay tied to their home countries, refusing to integrate; or do you think people should integrate and try to become part of their host country’s culture?

Maybe you think that people can hold onto their home cultures, not caring whether or not their previous culture fits in with their host country’s culture? Perhaps we should force people who dislike each others’ culture/religion/way-of-life (whether those reasons are “right” or “wrong”), and whose priorities and beliefs are diametrically opposed, to live together in crowded communities. How do you think that will work?

[NotCranky]

Do Christian immigrants do better than immigrants of other religions?

[dumbrenter]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Integration is a myth. Prior to the television age and the interstate highway system, America was very fragmented in ethnic communities.

One of the reasons immigrants intergrated before is because they lost touch with their home countries and their relatives. There was nothing but network TV. Now you can order foreign cable channels and there’s the Internet. Remember when you could not even call your relatives back east because long distance was super expensive? The commoditization of jet travel and telecom changed all that.[/quote]

good observation. we are in uncharted territory as far as how new americans and native born americans view each other with the advances in travel and communications. The new immigrants are very comfortable with their identities and given the choices now available, those who do not like it here will move (back) to where they like it.

For now, I am least worried about my throat being slit when i walk the immigrant infested doyle community park. My biggest fear is with mostly native borns who refuse to “follow the law” and do not properly leash their badly trained dogs.
Don’t these people understand that this a country of laws? 🙂

[SD Realtor]

Sure Christian immigrants are doing great in other worlds especially in places like Egypt. They are having the time of their life.

[SK in CV]

[quote=SD Realtor]Sure Christian immigrants are doing great in other worlds especially in places like Egypt. They are having the time of their life.[/quote]

In fairness, I don’t think there have been too many Christian immigrants to Egypt recently. Though probably a few more than Jewish immigrants.

[FlyerInHi]

CAR, the world is what it is.

like it or not, multiculturalism is here to stay. Closer to the situation in the UK, the UKIP may not like immigrants but the free movement of people within Eupore is here to stay and will only expand. They can resist and be angry but they are just hurting themselves. Why waste all the energy on a movement that has no future beyond a reactionary period?

it’s better to adapt and learn to like the changing world, or at least live with it with indifference. It’s just a state of mind anyway.

Multiculturalism is good for it spurs the economy. Sellers of good and services have to customize their offering to different clienteles. More commerce makes us richer, provides us with more choices and ultimately better living.

[CA renter]

It’s NOT just a state of mind, Flyer. There are very serious economic and social consequences that can (and often do) arise from “forced” multiculturalism without integration…or fairly strict segregation into these ethnic/cultural communities, but that’s not legal.

Some multiculturalism is good, but as mentioned above, not all immigration is the same, and not all immigration is beneficial. Also, you don’t necessarily need to move massive numbers of people around in order to encourage global trade (beyond those directly associated with trade).

Those in Europe who are opposing the massive immigration that is harming their own culture and way of life might manage to either reverse the immigration trends or find a way to make it less harmful to them and their social/economic systems. I like they way Australia’s immigration laws work.

[no_such_reality]

[quote=FlyerInHi]CAR, the world is what it is.

like it or not, multiculturalism is here to stay. Closer to the situation in the UK, the UKIP may not like immigrants but the free movement of people within Eupore is here to stay and will only expand. They can resist and be angry but they are just hurting themselves. Why waste all the energy on a movement that has no future beyond a reactionary period?

it’s better to adapt and learn to like the changing world, or at least live with it with indifference. It’s just a state of mind anyway.

Multiculturalism is good for it spurs the economy. Sellers of good and services have to customize their offering to different clienteles. More commerce makes us richer, provides us with more choices and ultimately better living.[/quote]

What a bunch of university ivory tower pabulum. I seriously doubt you can provide a realistic definition of what you mean and show connection to any of your claims other than wanting it to be that way.

There’s a huge difference between have a diverse population that is unified and celebrates different ethnic background than unbridle, unmanaged migration of completely unprepared people for life in their destination.

I’ve been on the ground in southern Europe with business, frankly, I’ve seen the Manzanar like camps they use and seen the problems on the streets.

It’s not pretty and there really aren’t any joyful simple, can’t we all just get along solutions. The solutions are expensive, literally bootstrapping people from 3rd world subsistence to modern economy. Unfortunatey, given the misguided concept to celebrate their cultures and not integrate really dooms their children to be in the same economic situation.

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