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  • July 28, 2009 at 11:56 AM #438698
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    The market has been disconnected from the economy for a long time peter. Making money has nothing to do with the economy.

    July 28, 2009 at 1:21 PM #438003
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    Kunstler said it pretty well this week:

    …Goldman Sachs has been caught at another racket in the stock market: front-running trades. What a clever gambit, done with the help of the markets themselves – the Nasdaq in particular – in which information on trades is held back a fraction of a second from public view, while the data is shoveled to the computers of privileged subscribers who can execute zillions of programmed micro-trades before the rest of the herd makes a move. This allows them to vacuum up hundreds of millions of dollars by doing absolutely nothing of value.

    July 28, 2009 at 1:21 PM #438206
    OwnerOfCalifornia
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    Kunstler said it pretty well this week:

    …Goldman Sachs has been caught at another racket in the stock market: front-running trades. What a clever gambit, done with the help of the markets themselves – the Nasdaq in particular – in which information on trades is held back a fraction of a second from public view, while the data is shoveled to the computers of privileged subscribers who can execute zillions of programmed micro-trades before the rest of the herd makes a move. This allows them to vacuum up hundreds of millions of dollars by doing absolutely nothing of value.

    July 28, 2009 at 1:21 PM #438528
    OwnerOfCalifornia
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    Kunstler said it pretty well this week:

    …Goldman Sachs has been caught at another racket in the stock market: front-running trades. What a clever gambit, done with the help of the markets themselves – the Nasdaq in particular – in which information on trades is held back a fraction of a second from public view, while the data is shoveled to the computers of privileged subscribers who can execute zillions of programmed micro-trades before the rest of the herd makes a move. This allows them to vacuum up hundreds of millions of dollars by doing absolutely nothing of value.

    July 28, 2009 at 1:21 PM #438600
    OwnerOfCalifornia
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    Kunstler said it pretty well this week:

    …Goldman Sachs has been caught at another racket in the stock market: front-running trades. What a clever gambit, done with the help of the markets themselves – the Nasdaq in particular – in which information on trades is held back a fraction of a second from public view, while the data is shoveled to the computers of privileged subscribers who can execute zillions of programmed micro-trades before the rest of the herd makes a move. This allows them to vacuum up hundreds of millions of dollars by doing absolutely nothing of value.

    July 28, 2009 at 1:21 PM #438769
    OwnerOfCalifornia
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    Kunstler said it pretty well this week:

    …Goldman Sachs has been caught at another racket in the stock market: front-running trades. What a clever gambit, done with the help of the markets themselves – the Nasdaq in particular – in which information on trades is held back a fraction of a second from public view, while the data is shoveled to the computers of privileged subscribers who can execute zillions of programmed micro-trades before the rest of the herd makes a move. This allows them to vacuum up hundreds of millions of dollars by doing absolutely nothing of value.

    July 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM #438018
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    The markets are way down from last year at this time. I’d say the market reflects the economy fairly well. Can it be manipulated to some degree, sure, but not forever. Multiple crap qrtrs will come to roost and the institutions will have to reallocate. That will do it. Or CRE crashing to the basement. Gravity can only be avioded for so long.

    July 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM #438221
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    The markets are way down from last year at this time. I’d say the market reflects the economy fairly well. Can it be manipulated to some degree, sure, but not forever. Multiple crap qrtrs will come to roost and the institutions will have to reallocate. That will do it. Or CRE crashing to the basement. Gravity can only be avioded for so long.

    July 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM #438543
    peterb
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    The markets are way down from last year at this time. I’d say the market reflects the economy fairly well. Can it be manipulated to some degree, sure, but not forever. Multiple crap qrtrs will come to roost and the institutions will have to reallocate. That will do it. Or CRE crashing to the basement. Gravity can only be avioded for so long.

    July 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM #438615
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    The markets are way down from last year at this time. I’d say the market reflects the economy fairly well. Can it be manipulated to some degree, sure, but not forever. Multiple crap qrtrs will come to roost and the institutions will have to reallocate. That will do it. Or CRE crashing to the basement. Gravity can only be avioded for so long.

    July 28, 2009 at 1:49 PM #438783
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    The markets are way down from last year at this time. I’d say the market reflects the economy fairly well. Can it be manipulated to some degree, sure, but not forever. Multiple crap qrtrs will come to roost and the institutions will have to reallocate. That will do it. Or CRE crashing to the basement. Gravity can only be avioded for so long.

    July 28, 2009 at 5:15 PM #438125
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    Right and in the meantime astute individuals have made 30% on thier money while others have run and hid under rocks. Just remember that the house makes the rules. To continue to think that this is not the case will lead to a long life of wondering why things didn’t happen when they should have happened. Or yes things will all go to shit and you get to say look I was right in the middle of a turd storm.

    July 28, 2009 at 5:15 PM #438329
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    Right and in the meantime astute individuals have made 30% on thier money while others have run and hid under rocks. Just remember that the house makes the rules. To continue to think that this is not the case will lead to a long life of wondering why things didn’t happen when they should have happened. Or yes things will all go to shit and you get to say look I was right in the middle of a turd storm.

    July 28, 2009 at 5:15 PM #438651
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    Right and in the meantime astute individuals have made 30% on thier money while others have run and hid under rocks. Just remember that the house makes the rules. To continue to think that this is not the case will lead to a long life of wondering why things didn’t happen when they should have happened. Or yes things will all go to shit and you get to say look I was right in the middle of a turd storm.

    July 28, 2009 at 5:15 PM #438724
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    Right and in the meantime astute individuals have made 30% on thier money while others have run and hid under rocks. Just remember that the house makes the rules. To continue to think that this is not the case will lead to a long life of wondering why things didn’t happen when they should have happened. Or yes things will all go to shit and you get to say look I was right in the middle of a turd storm.

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