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December 27, 2007 at 9:53 AM #125075December 27, 2007 at 10:03 AM #124833Allan from FallbrookParticipant
Borat: Those are SOF for counter-insurgency warfare training. Obama was referring to an actual troop deployment a la Afghanistan.
On a related note: Did you read that Benazir Bhutto was assassinated? Man, that place is going to hell in a handbasket. Gotta believe that Musharraf is going to be all over that. Martial law, followed by “special powers”, expanded role for the military, etc.
December 27, 2007 at 10:03 AM #124983Allan from FallbrookParticipantBorat: Those are SOF for counter-insurgency warfare training. Obama was referring to an actual troop deployment a la Afghanistan.
On a related note: Did you read that Benazir Bhutto was assassinated? Man, that place is going to hell in a handbasket. Gotta believe that Musharraf is going to be all over that. Martial law, followed by “special powers”, expanded role for the military, etc.
December 27, 2007 at 10:03 AM #125002Allan from FallbrookParticipantBorat: Those are SOF for counter-insurgency warfare training. Obama was referring to an actual troop deployment a la Afghanistan.
On a related note: Did you read that Benazir Bhutto was assassinated? Man, that place is going to hell in a handbasket. Gotta believe that Musharraf is going to be all over that. Martial law, followed by “special powers”, expanded role for the military, etc.
December 27, 2007 at 10:03 AM #125062Allan from FallbrookParticipantBorat: Those are SOF for counter-insurgency warfare training. Obama was referring to an actual troop deployment a la Afghanistan.
On a related note: Did you read that Benazir Bhutto was assassinated? Man, that place is going to hell in a handbasket. Gotta believe that Musharraf is going to be all over that. Martial law, followed by “special powers”, expanded role for the military, etc.
December 27, 2007 at 10:03 AM #125085Allan from FallbrookParticipantBorat: Those are SOF for counter-insurgency warfare training. Obama was referring to an actual troop deployment a la Afghanistan.
On a related note: Did you read that Benazir Bhutto was assassinated? Man, that place is going to hell in a handbasket. Gotta believe that Musharraf is going to be all over that. Martial law, followed by “special powers”, expanded role for the military, etc.
December 27, 2007 at 10:42 AM #124874BoratParticipantI hear ya Allan but mission creep is a b*tch. Didn’t vietnam start with “advisors” just there to train and assist the locals? The main reason to be there is to keep an eye on those nukes! God knows where those are gonna end up.
Yep that’s terrible about Bhutto. Musharraf has been effectively dictator for some time. He’s pretty good as dictators go, though. Dictators have a bad rep but sometimes they’re the best possible option for these f***d up countries. I think someday people are gonna wish they had Saddam back. Like they used to say about another famous and cruel dictator, at least he made the trains run on time…
December 27, 2007 at 10:42 AM #125024BoratParticipantI hear ya Allan but mission creep is a b*tch. Didn’t vietnam start with “advisors” just there to train and assist the locals? The main reason to be there is to keep an eye on those nukes! God knows where those are gonna end up.
Yep that’s terrible about Bhutto. Musharraf has been effectively dictator for some time. He’s pretty good as dictators go, though. Dictators have a bad rep but sometimes they’re the best possible option for these f***d up countries. I think someday people are gonna wish they had Saddam back. Like they used to say about another famous and cruel dictator, at least he made the trains run on time…
December 27, 2007 at 10:42 AM #125041BoratParticipantI hear ya Allan but mission creep is a b*tch. Didn’t vietnam start with “advisors” just there to train and assist the locals? The main reason to be there is to keep an eye on those nukes! God knows where those are gonna end up.
Yep that’s terrible about Bhutto. Musharraf has been effectively dictator for some time. He’s pretty good as dictators go, though. Dictators have a bad rep but sometimes they’re the best possible option for these f***d up countries. I think someday people are gonna wish they had Saddam back. Like they used to say about another famous and cruel dictator, at least he made the trains run on time…
December 27, 2007 at 10:42 AM #125102BoratParticipantI hear ya Allan but mission creep is a b*tch. Didn’t vietnam start with “advisors” just there to train and assist the locals? The main reason to be there is to keep an eye on those nukes! God knows where those are gonna end up.
Yep that’s terrible about Bhutto. Musharraf has been effectively dictator for some time. He’s pretty good as dictators go, though. Dictators have a bad rep but sometimes they’re the best possible option for these f***d up countries. I think someday people are gonna wish they had Saddam back. Like they used to say about another famous and cruel dictator, at least he made the trains run on time…
December 27, 2007 at 10:42 AM #125125BoratParticipantI hear ya Allan but mission creep is a b*tch. Didn’t vietnam start with “advisors” just there to train and assist the locals? The main reason to be there is to keep an eye on those nukes! God knows where those are gonna end up.
Yep that’s terrible about Bhutto. Musharraf has been effectively dictator for some time. He’s pretty good as dictators go, though. Dictators have a bad rep but sometimes they’re the best possible option for these f***d up countries. I think someday people are gonna wish they had Saddam back. Like they used to say about another famous and cruel dictator, at least he made the trains run on time…
December 27, 2007 at 10:52 AM #124900Allan from FallbrookParticipantBorat: A good friend of mine from school was Italian, and his grandfather was from Italy, and had grown up in Napoli during the 1930s and early 1940s. His recollections of Mussolini were fairly benign, and I think he sort of viewed him as somewhat comical. He mentioned the trains running on time as well.
I spent 3 years as a military advisor in Central America in the 1980s, and got to see some of those self-same f****d up Third World countries firsthand. I have opined more than once that as bad as Somoza was, Ortega and the Sandinistas were worse. Same with Batista and Castro. Of course, this doesn’t play well with the more liberally inclined among us, but it is a very different world down there.
Mission creep. Yeah, it is a bitch. Start out protecting Western Europe from the Soviets, and the next thing you know we are tending an empire! How’s that for mission creep?
December 27, 2007 at 10:52 AM #125049Allan from FallbrookParticipantBorat: A good friend of mine from school was Italian, and his grandfather was from Italy, and had grown up in Napoli during the 1930s and early 1940s. His recollections of Mussolini were fairly benign, and I think he sort of viewed him as somewhat comical. He mentioned the trains running on time as well.
I spent 3 years as a military advisor in Central America in the 1980s, and got to see some of those self-same f****d up Third World countries firsthand. I have opined more than once that as bad as Somoza was, Ortega and the Sandinistas were worse. Same with Batista and Castro. Of course, this doesn’t play well with the more liberally inclined among us, but it is a very different world down there.
Mission creep. Yeah, it is a bitch. Start out protecting Western Europe from the Soviets, and the next thing you know we are tending an empire! How’s that for mission creep?
December 27, 2007 at 10:52 AM #125066Allan from FallbrookParticipantBorat: A good friend of mine from school was Italian, and his grandfather was from Italy, and had grown up in Napoli during the 1930s and early 1940s. His recollections of Mussolini were fairly benign, and I think he sort of viewed him as somewhat comical. He mentioned the trains running on time as well.
I spent 3 years as a military advisor in Central America in the 1980s, and got to see some of those self-same f****d up Third World countries firsthand. I have opined more than once that as bad as Somoza was, Ortega and the Sandinistas were worse. Same with Batista and Castro. Of course, this doesn’t play well with the more liberally inclined among us, but it is a very different world down there.
Mission creep. Yeah, it is a bitch. Start out protecting Western Europe from the Soviets, and the next thing you know we are tending an empire! How’s that for mission creep?
December 27, 2007 at 10:52 AM #125126Allan from FallbrookParticipantBorat: A good friend of mine from school was Italian, and his grandfather was from Italy, and had grown up in Napoli during the 1930s and early 1940s. His recollections of Mussolini were fairly benign, and I think he sort of viewed him as somewhat comical. He mentioned the trains running on time as well.
I spent 3 years as a military advisor in Central America in the 1980s, and got to see some of those self-same f****d up Third World countries firsthand. I have opined more than once that as bad as Somoza was, Ortega and the Sandinistas were worse. Same with Batista and Castro. Of course, this doesn’t play well with the more liberally inclined among us, but it is a very different world down there.
Mission creep. Yeah, it is a bitch. Start out protecting Western Europe from the Soviets, and the next thing you know we are tending an empire! How’s that for mission creep?
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