Thoughts on the passage of the health care bill?

[air_ogi]

[quote=GoUSC]
Really? Debate? What debate was there. Let’s see…the polling states that the majority of America’s were AGAINST this bill. How is the right thing to do to pass it because “it’s better than nothing”.[/quote]

Obama electoral platform included a medical reform significantly to the left of the passed law. And he won.
After a year of socialism, communism, kill grandma and all the other crap claims, it was time to vote. Even after a year of debate 95% of tea baggers can’t articulate a logical disagreement with any specific points in the bill. They just repeat Fox News talking points.

America is a representative democracy, not direct democracy. If the American people don’t like the bill, the will replace their representatives with the ones who will repeal the bill. Easy as that.

[Hobie]

[quote=flu]

*How do doctors feel about this? I know a few doctors that already refuse to take anymore Medicare people…Won’t this make it worse?

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Docs… who said you will be seeing a doctor. My bet is you will have to see physician assistants, nurse practitioner, maybe an RN and maybe just maybe you will obtain a referral to a real doc.

Watch for doctors to form private groups of specialists on a for pay basis and let the emergencies and long term care go to this new plan.

Not much incentive for docs to buy into this new system so they actually hold some negotiation cards due to a future shortage of doctors.

[Hobie]

[quote=flu]

*How do doctors feel about this? I know a few doctors that already refuse to take anymore Medicare people…Won’t this make it worse?

[/quote]

Docs… who said you will be seeing a doctor. My bet is you will have to see physician assistants, nurse practitioner, maybe an RN and maybe just maybe you will obtain a referral to a real doc.

Watch for doctors to form private groups of specialists on a for pay basis and let the emergencies and long term care go to this new plan.

Not much incentive for docs to buy into this new system so they actually hold some negotiation cards due to a future shortage of doctors.

[Hobie]

[quote=flu]

*How do doctors feel about this? I know a few doctors that already refuse to take anymore Medicare people…Won’t this make it worse?

[/quote]

Docs… who said you will be seeing a doctor. My bet is you will have to see physician assistants, nurse practitioner, maybe an RN and maybe just maybe you will obtain a referral to a real doc.

Watch for doctors to form private groups of specialists on a for pay basis and let the emergencies and long term care go to this new plan.

Not much incentive for docs to buy into this new system so they actually hold some negotiation cards due to a future shortage of doctors.

[Hobie]

[quote=flu]

*How do doctors feel about this? I know a few doctors that already refuse to take anymore Medicare people…Won’t this make it worse?

[/quote]

Docs… who said you will be seeing a doctor. My bet is you will have to see physician assistants, nurse practitioner, maybe an RN and maybe just maybe you will obtain a referral to a real doc.

Watch for doctors to form private groups of specialists on a for pay basis and let the emergencies and long term care go to this new plan.

Not much incentive for docs to buy into this new system so they actually hold some negotiation cards due to a future shortage of doctors.

[Hobie]

[quote=flu]

*How do doctors feel about this? I know a few doctors that already refuse to take anymore Medicare people…Won’t this make it worse?

[/quote]

Docs… who said you will be seeing a doctor. My bet is you will have to see physician assistants, nurse practitioner, maybe an RN and maybe just maybe you will obtain a referral to a real doc.

Watch for doctors to form private groups of specialists on a for pay basis and let the emergencies and long term care go to this new plan.

Not much incentive for docs to buy into this new system so they actually hold some negotiation cards due to a future shortage of doctors.

[Aecetia]

By Janet I. Tu

Seattle Times staff reporter

Walgreens’ decision: http://news.walgreens.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5288

“Effective April 16, Walgreens drugstores across the state won’t take any new Medicaid patients, saying that filling their prescriptions is a money-losing proposition — the latest development in an ongoing dispute over Medicaid reimbursement.”

[Aecetia]

By Janet I. Tu

Seattle Times staff reporter

Walgreens’ decision: http://news.walgreens.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5288

“Effective April 16, Walgreens drugstores across the state won’t take any new Medicaid patients, saying that filling their prescriptions is a money-losing proposition — the latest development in an ongoing dispute over Medicaid reimbursement.”

[Aecetia]

By Janet I. Tu

Seattle Times staff reporter

Walgreens’ decision: http://news.walgreens.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5288

“Effective April 16, Walgreens drugstores across the state won’t take any new Medicaid patients, saying that filling their prescriptions is a money-losing proposition — the latest development in an ongoing dispute over Medicaid reimbursement.”

[Aecetia]

By Janet I. Tu

Seattle Times staff reporter

Walgreens’ decision: http://news.walgreens.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5288

“Effective April 16, Walgreens drugstores across the state won’t take any new Medicaid patients, saying that filling their prescriptions is a money-losing proposition — the latest development in an ongoing dispute over Medicaid reimbursement.”

[Aecetia]

By Janet I. Tu

Seattle Times staff reporter

Walgreens’ decision: http://news.walgreens.com/article_display.cfm?article_id=5288

“Effective April 16, Walgreens drugstores across the state won’t take any new Medicaid patients, saying that filling their prescriptions is a money-losing proposition — the latest development in an ongoing dispute over Medicaid reimbursement.”

[air_ogi]

[quote=flu]
*And last time I checked, those limits for “Cadallac health plans” aren’t exactly that low…And this plan is going to be paid for by folks on the definition of wealthy being $200k/individuals $250k/family (estimated 3.5% tax increase).
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It is just income over $200/$250k. So if you make $201k, you pay almost nothing extra.

[quote=flu]
*How do doctors feel about this? I know a few doctors that already refuse to take anymore Medicare people…Won’t this make it worse?
[/quote]

There are doctors who don’t accept specific health insurance either. Scipps Hospital doesn’t accept at least 2 big insurance companies in San Diego.

And honestly, if we are asking teachers, police and firemen to make sacrifices in this economic climate, why are doctors untouchable?

If someone feels that it is underneath him to make $200k a year as a specialist serving Medicare patients, fine. We can expand H1B program and import doctors who would LOVE to make $150k a year.

[air_ogi]

[quote=flu]
*And last time I checked, those limits for “Cadallac health plans” aren’t exactly that low…And this plan is going to be paid for by folks on the definition of wealthy being $200k/individuals $250k/family (estimated 3.5% tax increase).
[/quote]

It is just income over $200/$250k. So if you make $201k, you pay almost nothing extra.

[quote=flu]
*How do doctors feel about this? I know a few doctors that already refuse to take anymore Medicare people…Won’t this make it worse?
[/quote]

There are doctors who don’t accept specific health insurance either. Scipps Hospital doesn’t accept at least 2 big insurance companies in San Diego.

And honestly, if we are asking teachers, police and firemen to make sacrifices in this economic climate, why are doctors untouchable?

If someone feels that it is underneath him to make $200k a year as a specialist serving Medicare patients, fine. We can expand H1B program and import doctors who would LOVE to make $150k a year.

[air_ogi]

[quote=flu]
*And last time I checked, those limits for “Cadallac health plans” aren’t exactly that low…And this plan is going to be paid for by folks on the definition of wealthy being $200k/individuals $250k/family (estimated 3.5% tax increase).
[/quote]

It is just income over $200/$250k. So if you make $201k, you pay almost nothing extra.

[quote=flu]
*How do doctors feel about this? I know a few doctors that already refuse to take anymore Medicare people…Won’t this make it worse?
[/quote]

There are doctors who don’t accept specific health insurance either. Scipps Hospital doesn’t accept at least 2 big insurance companies in San Diego.

And honestly, if we are asking teachers, police and firemen to make sacrifices in this economic climate, why are doctors untouchable?

If someone feels that it is underneath him to make $200k a year as a specialist serving Medicare patients, fine. We can expand H1B program and import doctors who would LOVE to make $150k a year.

[air_ogi]

[quote=flu]
*And last time I checked, those limits for “Cadallac health plans” aren’t exactly that low…And this plan is going to be paid for by folks on the definition of wealthy being $200k/individuals $250k/family (estimated 3.5% tax increase).
[/quote]

It is just income over $200/$250k. So if you make $201k, you pay almost nothing extra.

[quote=flu]
*How do doctors feel about this? I know a few doctors that already refuse to take anymore Medicare people…Won’t this make it worse?
[/quote]

There are doctors who don’t accept specific health insurance either. Scipps Hospital doesn’t accept at least 2 big insurance companies in San Diego.

And honestly, if we are asking teachers, police and firemen to make sacrifices in this economic climate, why are doctors untouchable?

If someone feels that it is underneath him to make $200k a year as a specialist serving Medicare patients, fine. We can expand H1B program and import doctors who would LOVE to make $150k a year.

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