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January 16, 2011 at 8:25 PM #655754January 16, 2011 at 8:46 PM #654638bearishgurlParticipant
[quote=temeculaguy]I like what SDR said about how sometimes different neighborhoods, despite their appearance, can have a different feel. I think it can also be expanded to different streets within a single development. Once you dig a particular neigborhood or house, visit it a few times on different days of the week and times, introduce yourself to someone out in front of their house and strike up a conversation. General rules sometimes apply, but not always. Neighborhoods and streets can evolve and what might be positive for one person can be a negative for others. When my kids were little, I lucked into a street that was filled with kids their age. That was 13 years ago, it’s not the same now, there are hardly any little kids on my old street, many are off to college or driving so the street is not what it was. In another ten years, many of those people may move and another wave of little kids might move in. If you don’t want to be the only people with kids on the street, housing style and lot size isn’t always a guarantee. Now that I don’t have little kids, now that they drive and lead different lives, I chose not to live on a cul de sac and chose to live on a hill for the view, my needs changed. I’ve never seen kids in my street but two streets away it is like a carnival on a daily basis. The few elementary/jr high aged kids on my street would probably love to live on that other street but their parents probably weren’t paying attention to those details when they bought. Now I like how where I am, it is quiet, there is plenty of room that ten cars can be parked in front of my house when I throw a party and I am less likely to disturb anyone. 10-15 years ago, the carnival style street was perfect. So once you narrow things down to a general area, don’t stop scrutinizing, the little details mean probably as much as the big ones.[/quote]
I understand what you are saying here, TG, but I don’t believe in this RE “long-term-holding” climate we are experiencing today that buyers should buy based on criteria that they only think they want for “just this moment.” The years pass fast and all of a sudden the buyer is living on “carnival st” when their kids are attending HS. “Carnival sts” get old fast, and messy from bicycles, skateboards, litter, junk and overwhelmed parents who won’t mow and can’t afford to hire a gardener. IMO, in the case of Scarlett and her spouse, neither parent will even be home until after hours so their kids can’t just traverse freely from “house to house” after school in a block that seems like “one big family,” lol. Their kids will be in after-school care or (older) latchkey kids that will need to focus on their homework until parents get home. I believe the ‘hoods with many “nosy” sr. citizens are the best ‘hoods to raise a family if you are dual-income parents. These neighbors with lots of time on their hands are your “eyes and ears” while you are at work. You can drive your kid anywhere “local” they need to go for a playdate or “sleepover.”
Hence, my hearty recommendation to them to consider San Carlos, Princess Del Cerro and Allied Gardens.
January 16, 2011 at 8:46 PM #654700bearishgurlParticipant[quote=temeculaguy]I like what SDR said about how sometimes different neighborhoods, despite their appearance, can have a different feel. I think it can also be expanded to different streets within a single development. Once you dig a particular neigborhood or house, visit it a few times on different days of the week and times, introduce yourself to someone out in front of their house and strike up a conversation. General rules sometimes apply, but not always. Neighborhoods and streets can evolve and what might be positive for one person can be a negative for others. When my kids were little, I lucked into a street that was filled with kids their age. That was 13 years ago, it’s not the same now, there are hardly any little kids on my old street, many are off to college or driving so the street is not what it was. In another ten years, many of those people may move and another wave of little kids might move in. If you don’t want to be the only people with kids on the street, housing style and lot size isn’t always a guarantee. Now that I don’t have little kids, now that they drive and lead different lives, I chose not to live on a cul de sac and chose to live on a hill for the view, my needs changed. I’ve never seen kids in my street but two streets away it is like a carnival on a daily basis. The few elementary/jr high aged kids on my street would probably love to live on that other street but their parents probably weren’t paying attention to those details when they bought. Now I like how where I am, it is quiet, there is plenty of room that ten cars can be parked in front of my house when I throw a party and I am less likely to disturb anyone. 10-15 years ago, the carnival style street was perfect. So once you narrow things down to a general area, don’t stop scrutinizing, the little details mean probably as much as the big ones.[/quote]
I understand what you are saying here, TG, but I don’t believe in this RE “long-term-holding” climate we are experiencing today that buyers should buy based on criteria that they only think they want for “just this moment.” The years pass fast and all of a sudden the buyer is living on “carnival st” when their kids are attending HS. “Carnival sts” get old fast, and messy from bicycles, skateboards, litter, junk and overwhelmed parents who won’t mow and can’t afford to hire a gardener. IMO, in the case of Scarlett and her spouse, neither parent will even be home until after hours so their kids can’t just traverse freely from “house to house” after school in a block that seems like “one big family,” lol. Their kids will be in after-school care or (older) latchkey kids that will need to focus on their homework until parents get home. I believe the ‘hoods with many “nosy” sr. citizens are the best ‘hoods to raise a family if you are dual-income parents. These neighbors with lots of time on their hands are your “eyes and ears” while you are at work. You can drive your kid anywhere “local” they need to go for a playdate or “sleepover.”
Hence, my hearty recommendation to them to consider San Carlos, Princess Del Cerro and Allied Gardens.
January 16, 2011 at 8:46 PM #655296bearishgurlParticipant[quote=temeculaguy]I like what SDR said about how sometimes different neighborhoods, despite their appearance, can have a different feel. I think it can also be expanded to different streets within a single development. Once you dig a particular neigborhood or house, visit it a few times on different days of the week and times, introduce yourself to someone out in front of their house and strike up a conversation. General rules sometimes apply, but not always. Neighborhoods and streets can evolve and what might be positive for one person can be a negative for others. When my kids were little, I lucked into a street that was filled with kids their age. That was 13 years ago, it’s not the same now, there are hardly any little kids on my old street, many are off to college or driving so the street is not what it was. In another ten years, many of those people may move and another wave of little kids might move in. If you don’t want to be the only people with kids on the street, housing style and lot size isn’t always a guarantee. Now that I don’t have little kids, now that they drive and lead different lives, I chose not to live on a cul de sac and chose to live on a hill for the view, my needs changed. I’ve never seen kids in my street but two streets away it is like a carnival on a daily basis. The few elementary/jr high aged kids on my street would probably love to live on that other street but their parents probably weren’t paying attention to those details when they bought. Now I like how where I am, it is quiet, there is plenty of room that ten cars can be parked in front of my house when I throw a party and I am less likely to disturb anyone. 10-15 years ago, the carnival style street was perfect. So once you narrow things down to a general area, don’t stop scrutinizing, the little details mean probably as much as the big ones.[/quote]
I understand what you are saying here, TG, but I don’t believe in this RE “long-term-holding” climate we are experiencing today that buyers should buy based on criteria that they only think they want for “just this moment.” The years pass fast and all of a sudden the buyer is living on “carnival st” when their kids are attending HS. “Carnival sts” get old fast, and messy from bicycles, skateboards, litter, junk and overwhelmed parents who won’t mow and can’t afford to hire a gardener. IMO, in the case of Scarlett and her spouse, neither parent will even be home until after hours so their kids can’t just traverse freely from “house to house” after school in a block that seems like “one big family,” lol. Their kids will be in after-school care or (older) latchkey kids that will need to focus on their homework until parents get home. I believe the ‘hoods with many “nosy” sr. citizens are the best ‘hoods to raise a family if you are dual-income parents. These neighbors with lots of time on their hands are your “eyes and ears” while you are at work. You can drive your kid anywhere “local” they need to go for a playdate or “sleepover.”
Hence, my hearty recommendation to them to consider San Carlos, Princess Del Cerro and Allied Gardens.
January 16, 2011 at 8:46 PM #655434bearishgurlParticipant[quote=temeculaguy]I like what SDR said about how sometimes different neighborhoods, despite their appearance, can have a different feel. I think it can also be expanded to different streets within a single development. Once you dig a particular neigborhood or house, visit it a few times on different days of the week and times, introduce yourself to someone out in front of their house and strike up a conversation. General rules sometimes apply, but not always. Neighborhoods and streets can evolve and what might be positive for one person can be a negative for others. When my kids were little, I lucked into a street that was filled with kids their age. That was 13 years ago, it’s not the same now, there are hardly any little kids on my old street, many are off to college or driving so the street is not what it was. In another ten years, many of those people may move and another wave of little kids might move in. If you don’t want to be the only people with kids on the street, housing style and lot size isn’t always a guarantee. Now that I don’t have little kids, now that they drive and lead different lives, I chose not to live on a cul de sac and chose to live on a hill for the view, my needs changed. I’ve never seen kids in my street but two streets away it is like a carnival on a daily basis. The few elementary/jr high aged kids on my street would probably love to live on that other street but their parents probably weren’t paying attention to those details when they bought. Now I like how where I am, it is quiet, there is plenty of room that ten cars can be parked in front of my house when I throw a party and I am less likely to disturb anyone. 10-15 years ago, the carnival style street was perfect. So once you narrow things down to a general area, don’t stop scrutinizing, the little details mean probably as much as the big ones.[/quote]
I understand what you are saying here, TG, but I don’t believe in this RE “long-term-holding” climate we are experiencing today that buyers should buy based on criteria that they only think they want for “just this moment.” The years pass fast and all of a sudden the buyer is living on “carnival st” when their kids are attending HS. “Carnival sts” get old fast, and messy from bicycles, skateboards, litter, junk and overwhelmed parents who won’t mow and can’t afford to hire a gardener. IMO, in the case of Scarlett and her spouse, neither parent will even be home until after hours so their kids can’t just traverse freely from “house to house” after school in a block that seems like “one big family,” lol. Their kids will be in after-school care or (older) latchkey kids that will need to focus on their homework until parents get home. I believe the ‘hoods with many “nosy” sr. citizens are the best ‘hoods to raise a family if you are dual-income parents. These neighbors with lots of time on their hands are your “eyes and ears” while you are at work. You can drive your kid anywhere “local” they need to go for a playdate or “sleepover.”
Hence, my hearty recommendation to them to consider San Carlos, Princess Del Cerro and Allied Gardens.
January 16, 2011 at 8:46 PM #655764bearishgurlParticipant[quote=temeculaguy]I like what SDR said about how sometimes different neighborhoods, despite their appearance, can have a different feel. I think it can also be expanded to different streets within a single development. Once you dig a particular neigborhood or house, visit it a few times on different days of the week and times, introduce yourself to someone out in front of their house and strike up a conversation. General rules sometimes apply, but not always. Neighborhoods and streets can evolve and what might be positive for one person can be a negative for others. When my kids were little, I lucked into a street that was filled with kids their age. That was 13 years ago, it’s not the same now, there are hardly any little kids on my old street, many are off to college or driving so the street is not what it was. In another ten years, many of those people may move and another wave of little kids might move in. If you don’t want to be the only people with kids on the street, housing style and lot size isn’t always a guarantee. Now that I don’t have little kids, now that they drive and lead different lives, I chose not to live on a cul de sac and chose to live on a hill for the view, my needs changed. I’ve never seen kids in my street but two streets away it is like a carnival on a daily basis. The few elementary/jr high aged kids on my street would probably love to live on that other street but their parents probably weren’t paying attention to those details when they bought. Now I like how where I am, it is quiet, there is plenty of room that ten cars can be parked in front of my house when I throw a party and I am less likely to disturb anyone. 10-15 years ago, the carnival style street was perfect. So once you narrow things down to a general area, don’t stop scrutinizing, the little details mean probably as much as the big ones.[/quote]
I understand what you are saying here, TG, but I don’t believe in this RE “long-term-holding” climate we are experiencing today that buyers should buy based on criteria that they only think they want for “just this moment.” The years pass fast and all of a sudden the buyer is living on “carnival st” when their kids are attending HS. “Carnival sts” get old fast, and messy from bicycles, skateboards, litter, junk and overwhelmed parents who won’t mow and can’t afford to hire a gardener. IMO, in the case of Scarlett and her spouse, neither parent will even be home until after hours so their kids can’t just traverse freely from “house to house” after school in a block that seems like “one big family,” lol. Their kids will be in after-school care or (older) latchkey kids that will need to focus on their homework until parents get home. I believe the ‘hoods with many “nosy” sr. citizens are the best ‘hoods to raise a family if you are dual-income parents. These neighbors with lots of time on their hands are your “eyes and ears” while you are at work. You can drive your kid anywhere “local” they need to go for a playdate or “sleepover.”
Hence, my hearty recommendation to them to consider San Carlos, Princess Del Cerro and Allied Gardens.
January 16, 2011 at 8:47 PM #654633ScarlettParticipantThanks BG!
For some reason I wasn’t too keen on Conestoga one. The particular section of the street was on the (narrow) hilltop – the street was pretty steep and the street itself was narrow especially with cars parked on it. Then the house had kind of an odd, awkward layout. I think 3 of the 4 bdr had patio doors, which I found unusual and not necessarily desirable. The roof was new but rather flat. Minor things. BTW, the square footage did not include one (huge)(laundry) room with epoxy on the floor and it may not have included one of the bedrooms. It was very spacious and priced well, IMHO. A good deal I think.For us it doesn’t matter the number of stories.
There seem to be plenty of inventory in 92119/92120 in our price range. Sure not all the houses were all well maintained and upgraded, but with patience and diligence, one can find some nice ones.
With that said, I think that if I can find a similar nice 4 bdr in PQ with a yard at 500K, I’d probably take it over San Carlos – but i think it would be a close call. A little newer houses ( by ~ 10 years), better schools but most important shorter commute – probably by 10′ compared to San Carlos.
Edit: When driving around I didn’t see a lot of kids, but there were some – a couple girls playing ball, some walking their dogs. But then, I don’t remember seeing many kids in PQ on the streets either, though I KNOW there are plenty of kids there. (saw them in parks, at parties, etc.). I don’t like a carnival style street, I’d prefer the quiet one with good neighbors and if it has nice hill views, the better; if the kid wants go to another street to play then fine, (s)he can go/walk/bike or I’ll take him there.
January 16, 2011 at 8:47 PM #654695ScarlettParticipantThanks BG!
For some reason I wasn’t too keen on Conestoga one. The particular section of the street was on the (narrow) hilltop – the street was pretty steep and the street itself was narrow especially with cars parked on it. Then the house had kind of an odd, awkward layout. I think 3 of the 4 bdr had patio doors, which I found unusual and not necessarily desirable. The roof was new but rather flat. Minor things. BTW, the square footage did not include one (huge)(laundry) room with epoxy on the floor and it may not have included one of the bedrooms. It was very spacious and priced well, IMHO. A good deal I think.For us it doesn’t matter the number of stories.
There seem to be plenty of inventory in 92119/92120 in our price range. Sure not all the houses were all well maintained and upgraded, but with patience and diligence, one can find some nice ones.
With that said, I think that if I can find a similar nice 4 bdr in PQ with a yard at 500K, I’d probably take it over San Carlos – but i think it would be a close call. A little newer houses ( by ~ 10 years), better schools but most important shorter commute – probably by 10′ compared to San Carlos.
Edit: When driving around I didn’t see a lot of kids, but there were some – a couple girls playing ball, some walking their dogs. But then, I don’t remember seeing many kids in PQ on the streets either, though I KNOW there are plenty of kids there. (saw them in parks, at parties, etc.). I don’t like a carnival style street, I’d prefer the quiet one with good neighbors and if it has nice hill views, the better; if the kid wants go to another street to play then fine, (s)he can go/walk/bike or I’ll take him there.
January 16, 2011 at 8:47 PM #655291ScarlettParticipantThanks BG!
For some reason I wasn’t too keen on Conestoga one. The particular section of the street was on the (narrow) hilltop – the street was pretty steep and the street itself was narrow especially with cars parked on it. Then the house had kind of an odd, awkward layout. I think 3 of the 4 bdr had patio doors, which I found unusual and not necessarily desirable. The roof was new but rather flat. Minor things. BTW, the square footage did not include one (huge)(laundry) room with epoxy on the floor and it may not have included one of the bedrooms. It was very spacious and priced well, IMHO. A good deal I think.For us it doesn’t matter the number of stories.
There seem to be plenty of inventory in 92119/92120 in our price range. Sure not all the houses were all well maintained and upgraded, but with patience and diligence, one can find some nice ones.
With that said, I think that if I can find a similar nice 4 bdr in PQ with a yard at 500K, I’d probably take it over San Carlos – but i think it would be a close call. A little newer houses ( by ~ 10 years), better schools but most important shorter commute – probably by 10′ compared to San Carlos.
Edit: When driving around I didn’t see a lot of kids, but there were some – a couple girls playing ball, some walking their dogs. But then, I don’t remember seeing many kids in PQ on the streets either, though I KNOW there are plenty of kids there. (saw them in parks, at parties, etc.). I don’t like a carnival style street, I’d prefer the quiet one with good neighbors and if it has nice hill views, the better; if the kid wants go to another street to play then fine, (s)he can go/walk/bike or I’ll take him there.
January 16, 2011 at 8:47 PM #655429ScarlettParticipantThanks BG!
For some reason I wasn’t too keen on Conestoga one. The particular section of the street was on the (narrow) hilltop – the street was pretty steep and the street itself was narrow especially with cars parked on it. Then the house had kind of an odd, awkward layout. I think 3 of the 4 bdr had patio doors, which I found unusual and not necessarily desirable. The roof was new but rather flat. Minor things. BTW, the square footage did not include one (huge)(laundry) room with epoxy on the floor and it may not have included one of the bedrooms. It was very spacious and priced well, IMHO. A good deal I think.For us it doesn’t matter the number of stories.
There seem to be plenty of inventory in 92119/92120 in our price range. Sure not all the houses were all well maintained and upgraded, but with patience and diligence, one can find some nice ones.
With that said, I think that if I can find a similar nice 4 bdr in PQ with a yard at 500K, I’d probably take it over San Carlos – but i think it would be a close call. A little newer houses ( by ~ 10 years), better schools but most important shorter commute – probably by 10′ compared to San Carlos.
Edit: When driving around I didn’t see a lot of kids, but there were some – a couple girls playing ball, some walking their dogs. But then, I don’t remember seeing many kids in PQ on the streets either, though I KNOW there are plenty of kids there. (saw them in parks, at parties, etc.). I don’t like a carnival style street, I’d prefer the quiet one with good neighbors and if it has nice hill views, the better; if the kid wants go to another street to play then fine, (s)he can go/walk/bike or I’ll take him there.
January 16, 2011 at 8:47 PM #655759ScarlettParticipantThanks BG!
For some reason I wasn’t too keen on Conestoga one. The particular section of the street was on the (narrow) hilltop – the street was pretty steep and the street itself was narrow especially with cars parked on it. Then the house had kind of an odd, awkward layout. I think 3 of the 4 bdr had patio doors, which I found unusual and not necessarily desirable. The roof was new but rather flat. Minor things. BTW, the square footage did not include one (huge)(laundry) room with epoxy on the floor and it may not have included one of the bedrooms. It was very spacious and priced well, IMHO. A good deal I think.For us it doesn’t matter the number of stories.
There seem to be plenty of inventory in 92119/92120 in our price range. Sure not all the houses were all well maintained and upgraded, but with patience and diligence, one can find some nice ones.
With that said, I think that if I can find a similar nice 4 bdr in PQ with a yard at 500K, I’d probably take it over San Carlos – but i think it would be a close call. A little newer houses ( by ~ 10 years), better schools but most important shorter commute – probably by 10′ compared to San Carlos.
Edit: When driving around I didn’t see a lot of kids, but there were some – a couple girls playing ball, some walking their dogs. But then, I don’t remember seeing many kids in PQ on the streets either, though I KNOW there are plenty of kids there. (saw them in parks, at parties, etc.). I don’t like a carnival style street, I’d prefer the quiet one with good neighbors and if it has nice hill views, the better; if the kid wants go to another street to play then fine, (s)he can go/walk/bike or I’ll take him there.
January 16, 2011 at 8:49 PM #654643stockstradrParticipantOn the topic of those who sold, sat out the decline, and are still waiting for the bottom.
At this time, LET ME THANK RICH for creating this wonderful website long ago. It has helped so many.
I was LUCKY to stumble upon this website back in either 2003 or 2004 (I forget which).
This website was a key factor in our dumping our Rancho Bernardo 3/2 condo for $405,000. Prices on similar units peaked at about $415K. We had paid $345,000 for it only about 2 yrs prior.
Let’s check the price today, shall we. I always enjoy that. Conveniently we find that the EXACT same model condo, in same condition that sits 10 feet away from our old condo just SOLD.
That identical unit just sold for $240,000. There are others priced similarly and they are not selling.
And we see from Rich’s new set of wonderful charts, that prices are now again falling, into the second dip of the “double dip”
So thank you again Rich, for your web site helping us realize we needed to SELL, which helped us avoid at least $160,000 loss of equity (405K – $240K)
Currently we are living like hermits and saving money like pack rats, as we watch our cash hoard (future home down payment savings account) grow each month, at the same time housing prices fall each month. We are biding our time. We will buy eventually. The Fat Lady has not yet sung announcing the bottom has been reached on home prices.
January 16, 2011 at 8:49 PM #654705stockstradrParticipantOn the topic of those who sold, sat out the decline, and are still waiting for the bottom.
At this time, LET ME THANK RICH for creating this wonderful website long ago. It has helped so many.
I was LUCKY to stumble upon this website back in either 2003 or 2004 (I forget which).
This website was a key factor in our dumping our Rancho Bernardo 3/2 condo for $405,000. Prices on similar units peaked at about $415K. We had paid $345,000 for it only about 2 yrs prior.
Let’s check the price today, shall we. I always enjoy that. Conveniently we find that the EXACT same model condo, in same condition that sits 10 feet away from our old condo just SOLD.
That identical unit just sold for $240,000. There are others priced similarly and they are not selling.
And we see from Rich’s new set of wonderful charts, that prices are now again falling, into the second dip of the “double dip”
So thank you again Rich, for your web site helping us realize we needed to SELL, which helped us avoid at least $160,000 loss of equity (405K – $240K)
Currently we are living like hermits and saving money like pack rats, as we watch our cash hoard (future home down payment savings account) grow each month, at the same time housing prices fall each month. We are biding our time. We will buy eventually. The Fat Lady has not yet sung announcing the bottom has been reached on home prices.
January 16, 2011 at 8:49 PM #655301stockstradrParticipantOn the topic of those who sold, sat out the decline, and are still waiting for the bottom.
At this time, LET ME THANK RICH for creating this wonderful website long ago. It has helped so many.
I was LUCKY to stumble upon this website back in either 2003 or 2004 (I forget which).
This website was a key factor in our dumping our Rancho Bernardo 3/2 condo for $405,000. Prices on similar units peaked at about $415K. We had paid $345,000 for it only about 2 yrs prior.
Let’s check the price today, shall we. I always enjoy that. Conveniently we find that the EXACT same model condo, in same condition that sits 10 feet away from our old condo just SOLD.
That identical unit just sold for $240,000. There are others priced similarly and they are not selling.
And we see from Rich’s new set of wonderful charts, that prices are now again falling, into the second dip of the “double dip”
So thank you again Rich, for your web site helping us realize we needed to SELL, which helped us avoid at least $160,000 loss of equity (405K – $240K)
Currently we are living like hermits and saving money like pack rats, as we watch our cash hoard (future home down payment savings account) grow each month, at the same time housing prices fall each month. We are biding our time. We will buy eventually. The Fat Lady has not yet sung announcing the bottom has been reached on home prices.
January 16, 2011 at 8:49 PM #655439stockstradrParticipantOn the topic of those who sold, sat out the decline, and are still waiting for the bottom.
At this time, LET ME THANK RICH for creating this wonderful website long ago. It has helped so many.
I was LUCKY to stumble upon this website back in either 2003 or 2004 (I forget which).
This website was a key factor in our dumping our Rancho Bernardo 3/2 condo for $405,000. Prices on similar units peaked at about $415K. We had paid $345,000 for it only about 2 yrs prior.
Let’s check the price today, shall we. I always enjoy that. Conveniently we find that the EXACT same model condo, in same condition that sits 10 feet away from our old condo just SOLD.
That identical unit just sold for $240,000. There are others priced similarly and they are not selling.
And we see from Rich’s new set of wonderful charts, that prices are now again falling, into the second dip of the “double dip”
So thank you again Rich, for your web site helping us realize we needed to SELL, which helped us avoid at least $160,000 loss of equity (405K – $240K)
Currently we are living like hermits and saving money like pack rats, as we watch our cash hoard (future home down payment savings account) grow each month, at the same time housing prices fall each month. We are biding our time. We will buy eventually. The Fat Lady has not yet sung announcing the bottom has been reached on home prices.
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