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November 21, 2009 at 1:55 AM #485884November 21, 2009 at 4:51 AM #485034
Scarlett
ParticipantVery well said, CA R!
[quote=CA renter]
I think it’s because they feel duped. They (and many/most of us on this site) were told that if they studied and worked hard, their lives would be equal to or better than their parents’. That was the meme for generations.They (and many of us?) are coming to the conclusion that the stable jobs, defined-benefit pension plans, readily-available healthcare/insurance, etc. will not be available as promised to them. They seem to feel as if those who came before them left behind a barren world where the younger generations will have to work to pay off the debts incurred by the lavish lifestyles of those who came before them…and the younger generations will not have the financial security nor the “middle class lifestyle” enjoyed by the older generations.
While some may consider this an “entitled” mentality, I think they have a point.[/quote]
I could not agree more.
November 21, 2009 at 4:51 AM #485201ParticipantVery well said, CA R!
[quote=CA renter]
I think it’s because they feel duped. They (and many/most of us on this site) were told that if they studied and worked hard, their lives would be equal to or better than their parents’. That was the meme for generations.They (and many of us?) are coming to the conclusion that the stable jobs, defined-benefit pension plans, readily-available healthcare/insurance, etc. will not be available as promised to them. They seem to feel as if those who came before them left behind a barren world where the younger generations will have to work to pay off the debts incurred by the lavish lifestyles of those who came before them…and the younger generations will not have the financial security nor the “middle class lifestyle” enjoyed by the older generations.
While some may consider this an “entitled” mentality, I think they have a point.[/quote]
I could not agree more.
November 21, 2009 at 4:51 AM #485576ParticipantVery well said, CA R!
[quote=CA renter]
I think it’s because they feel duped. They (and many/most of us on this site) were told that if they studied and worked hard, their lives would be equal to or better than their parents’. That was the meme for generations.They (and many of us?) are coming to the conclusion that the stable jobs, defined-benefit pension plans, readily-available healthcare/insurance, etc. will not be available as promised to them. They seem to feel as if those who came before them left behind a barren world where the younger generations will have to work to pay off the debts incurred by the lavish lifestyles of those who came before them…and the younger generations will not have the financial security nor the “middle class lifestyle” enjoyed by the older generations.
While some may consider this an “entitled” mentality, I think they have a point.[/quote]
I could not agree more.
November 21, 2009 at 4:51 AM #485660ParticipantVery well said, CA R!
[quote=CA renter]
I think it’s because they feel duped. They (and many/most of us on this site) were told that if they studied and worked hard, their lives would be equal to or better than their parents’. That was the meme for generations.They (and many of us?) are coming to the conclusion that the stable jobs, defined-benefit pension plans, readily-available healthcare/insurance, etc. will not be available as promised to them. They seem to feel as if those who came before them left behind a barren world where the younger generations will have to work to pay off the debts incurred by the lavish lifestyles of those who came before them…and the younger generations will not have the financial security nor the “middle class lifestyle” enjoyed by the older generations.
While some may consider this an “entitled” mentality, I think they have a point.[/quote]
I could not agree more.
November 21, 2009 at 4:51 AM #485889ParticipantVery well said, CA R!
[quote=CA renter]
I think it’s because they feel duped. They (and many/most of us on this site) were told that if they studied and worked hard, their lives would be equal to or better than their parents’. That was the meme for generations.They (and many of us?) are coming to the conclusion that the stable jobs, defined-benefit pension plans, readily-available healthcare/insurance, etc. will not be available as promised to them. They seem to feel as if those who came before them left behind a barren world where the younger generations will have to work to pay off the debts incurred by the lavish lifestyles of those who came before them…and the younger generations will not have the financial security nor the “middle class lifestyle” enjoyed by the older generations.
While some may consider this an “entitled” mentality, I think they have a point.[/quote]
I could not agree more.
November 21, 2009 at 7:01 AM #485039Arraya
Participant[quote=Russell][quote=Arraya]A manifesto from the students protesting the UC system.
WE LIVE AS A DEAD CIVILIZATION. We can no longer imagine the good life except as a series of spectacles preselected for our bemusement: a shimmering menu of illusions. Both the full-filled life and our own imaginations have been systematically replaced by a set of images more lavish and inhumane than anything we ourselves would conceive, and equally beyond reach. No one believes in such outcomes anymore.
The truth of life after the university is mean and petty competition for resources with our friends and strangers: the hustle for a lower-management position that will last (with luck) for a couple years rifted with anxiety, fear, and increasing exploitation—until the firm crumbles and we mutter about “plan B.” But this is an exact description of university life today; that mean and petty life has already arrived.
Just to survive, we are compelled to adopt various attitudes toward this fissure between bankrupt promises and the actuality on offer. Some take a naïve romantic stance toward education for its own sake, telling themselves they expect nothing further. Some proceed with iron cynicism and scorn, racing through the ludicrous charade toward the last wad of cash in the airless vault of the future. And some remain committed to the antique faith that their ascendingly hard labor will surely be rewarded some day if they just act as one who believes, just show up, take on more degrees and more debt, work harder.
Time, the actual material of our being, disappears: the hours of our daily life. The future is seized from us in advance, given over to the servicing of debt and to beggaring our neighbors. Maybe we will earn the rent on our boredom, more likely not. There will be no 77 virgins, not even a plasma monitor on which to watch the death throes of the United States as a global power. Capitalism has finally become a true religion,wherein the riches of heaven are everywhere promised and nowhere delivered. The only difference is that every manner of crassness and cruelty is actively encouraged in the unending meantime. We live as a dead civilization, the last residents of Pompeii.
The kids get it. Wake up and smell the doom. Instead of clinging to a pathological state of denial.[/quote]
Why are these guys not a bunch of self-entitled “good life” expecting crybabies? That’s my first reaction. So they have to find meaning in their lives if they can. What’s new? Billions have had it worse than this bunch ever will, including many of their contemporaries in this country and on the planet. What seems to be missing is the good kind of pride.I don’t actually blame them for not having it …who would have given it to them?[/quote]
Of course they are self-entitled, Russ. It’s been driven into there head since they were born. However, the American dream is turning into a nightmare as they will all be saddled with huge amounts of debt and no jobs. This is something I’ve been expecting to see as the college age realize that all is not well in wonder land.
November 21, 2009 at 7:01 AM #485206Participant[quote=Russell][quote=Arraya]A manifesto from the students protesting the UC system.
WE LIVE AS A DEAD CIVILIZATION. We can no longer imagine the good life except as a series of spectacles preselected for our bemusement: a shimmering menu of illusions. Both the full-filled life and our own imaginations have been systematically replaced by a set of images more lavish and inhumane than anything we ourselves would conceive, and equally beyond reach. No one believes in such outcomes anymore.
The truth of life after the university is mean and petty competition for resources with our friends and strangers: the hustle for a lower-management position that will last (with luck) for a couple years rifted with anxiety, fear, and increasing exploitation—until the firm crumbles and we mutter about “plan B.” But this is an exact description of university life today; that mean and petty life has already arrived.
Just to survive, we are compelled to adopt various attitudes toward this fissure between bankrupt promises and the actuality on offer. Some take a naïve romantic stance toward education for its own sake, telling themselves they expect nothing further. Some proceed with iron cynicism and scorn, racing through the ludicrous charade toward the last wad of cash in the airless vault of the future. And some remain committed to the antique faith that their ascendingly hard labor will surely be rewarded some day if they just act as one who believes, just show up, take on more degrees and more debt, work harder.
Time, the actual material of our being, disappears: the hours of our daily life. The future is seized from us in advance, given over to the servicing of debt and to beggaring our neighbors. Maybe we will earn the rent on our boredom, more likely not. There will be no 77 virgins, not even a plasma monitor on which to watch the death throes of the United States as a global power. Capitalism has finally become a true religion,wherein the riches of heaven are everywhere promised and nowhere delivered. The only difference is that every manner of crassness and cruelty is actively encouraged in the unending meantime. We live as a dead civilization, the last residents of Pompeii.
The kids get it. Wake up and smell the doom. Instead of clinging to a pathological state of denial.[/quote]
Why are these guys not a bunch of self-entitled “good life” expecting crybabies? That’s my first reaction. So they have to find meaning in their lives if they can. What’s new? Billions have had it worse than this bunch ever will, including many of their contemporaries in this country and on the planet. What seems to be missing is the good kind of pride.I don’t actually blame them for not having it …who would have given it to them?[/quote]
Of course they are self-entitled, Russ. It’s been driven into there head since they were born. However, the American dream is turning into a nightmare as they will all be saddled with huge amounts of debt and no jobs. This is something I’ve been expecting to see as the college age realize that all is not well in wonder land.
November 21, 2009 at 7:01 AM #485581Participant[quote=Russell][quote=Arraya]A manifesto from the students protesting the UC system.
WE LIVE AS A DEAD CIVILIZATION. We can no longer imagine the good life except as a series of spectacles preselected for our bemusement: a shimmering menu of illusions. Both the full-filled life and our own imaginations have been systematically replaced by a set of images more lavish and inhumane than anything we ourselves would conceive, and equally beyond reach. No one believes in such outcomes anymore.
The truth of life after the university is mean and petty competition for resources with our friends and strangers: the hustle for a lower-management position that will last (with luck) for a couple years rifted with anxiety, fear, and increasing exploitation—until the firm crumbles and we mutter about “plan B.” But this is an exact description of university life today; that mean and petty life has already arrived.
Just to survive, we are compelled to adopt various attitudes toward this fissure between bankrupt promises and the actuality on offer. Some take a naïve romantic stance toward education for its own sake, telling themselves they expect nothing further. Some proceed with iron cynicism and scorn, racing through the ludicrous charade toward the last wad of cash in the airless vault of the future. And some remain committed to the antique faith that their ascendingly hard labor will surely be rewarded some day if they just act as one who believes, just show up, take on more degrees and more debt, work harder.
Time, the actual material of our being, disappears: the hours of our daily life. The future is seized from us in advance, given over to the servicing of debt and to beggaring our neighbors. Maybe we will earn the rent on our boredom, more likely not. There will be no 77 virgins, not even a plasma monitor on which to watch the death throes of the United States as a global power. Capitalism has finally become a true religion,wherein the riches of heaven are everywhere promised and nowhere delivered. The only difference is that every manner of crassness and cruelty is actively encouraged in the unending meantime. We live as a dead civilization, the last residents of Pompeii.
The kids get it. Wake up and smell the doom. Instead of clinging to a pathological state of denial.[/quote]
Why are these guys not a bunch of self-entitled “good life” expecting crybabies? That’s my first reaction. So they have to find meaning in their lives if they can. What’s new? Billions have had it worse than this bunch ever will, including many of their contemporaries in this country and on the planet. What seems to be missing is the good kind of pride.I don’t actually blame them for not having it …who would have given it to them?[/quote]
Of course they are self-entitled, Russ. It’s been driven into there head since they were born. However, the American dream is turning into a nightmare as they will all be saddled with huge amounts of debt and no jobs. This is something I’ve been expecting to see as the college age realize that all is not well in wonder land.
November 21, 2009 at 7:01 AM #485665Participant[quote=Russell][quote=Arraya]A manifesto from the students protesting the UC system.
WE LIVE AS A DEAD CIVILIZATION. We can no longer imagine the good life except as a series of spectacles preselected for our bemusement: a shimmering menu of illusions. Both the full-filled life and our own imaginations have been systematically replaced by a set of images more lavish and inhumane than anything we ourselves would conceive, and equally beyond reach. No one believes in such outcomes anymore.
The truth of life after the university is mean and petty competition for resources with our friends and strangers: the hustle for a lower-management position that will last (with luck) for a couple years rifted with anxiety, fear, and increasing exploitation—until the firm crumbles and we mutter about “plan B.” But this is an exact description of university life today; that mean and petty life has already arrived.
Just to survive, we are compelled to adopt various attitudes toward this fissure between bankrupt promises and the actuality on offer. Some take a naïve romantic stance toward education for its own sake, telling themselves they expect nothing further. Some proceed with iron cynicism and scorn, racing through the ludicrous charade toward the last wad of cash in the airless vault of the future. And some remain committed to the antique faith that their ascendingly hard labor will surely be rewarded some day if they just act as one who believes, just show up, take on more degrees and more debt, work harder.
Time, the actual material of our being, disappears: the hours of our daily life. The future is seized from us in advance, given over to the servicing of debt and to beggaring our neighbors. Maybe we will earn the rent on our boredom, more likely not. There will be no 77 virgins, not even a plasma monitor on which to watch the death throes of the United States as a global power. Capitalism has finally become a true religion,wherein the riches of heaven are everywhere promised and nowhere delivered. The only difference is that every manner of crassness and cruelty is actively encouraged in the unending meantime. We live as a dead civilization, the last residents of Pompeii.
The kids get it. Wake up and smell the doom. Instead of clinging to a pathological state of denial.[/quote]
Why are these guys not a bunch of self-entitled “good life” expecting crybabies? That’s my first reaction. So they have to find meaning in their lives if they can. What’s new? Billions have had it worse than this bunch ever will, including many of their contemporaries in this country and on the planet. What seems to be missing is the good kind of pride.I don’t actually blame them for not having it …who would have given it to them?[/quote]
Of course they are self-entitled, Russ. It’s been driven into there head since they were born. However, the American dream is turning into a nightmare as they will all be saddled with huge amounts of debt and no jobs. This is something I’ve been expecting to see as the college age realize that all is not well in wonder land.
November 21, 2009 at 7:01 AM #485894Participant[quote=Russell][quote=Arraya]A manifesto from the students protesting the UC system.
WE LIVE AS A DEAD CIVILIZATION. We can no longer imagine the good life except as a series of spectacles preselected for our bemusement: a shimmering menu of illusions. Both the full-filled life and our own imaginations have been systematically replaced by a set of images more lavish and inhumane than anything we ourselves would conceive, and equally beyond reach. No one believes in such outcomes anymore.
The truth of life after the university is mean and petty competition for resources with our friends and strangers: the hustle for a lower-management position that will last (with luck) for a couple years rifted with anxiety, fear, and increasing exploitation—until the firm crumbles and we mutter about “plan B.” But this is an exact description of university life today; that mean and petty life has already arrived.
Just to survive, we are compelled to adopt various attitudes toward this fissure between bankrupt promises and the actuality on offer. Some take a naïve romantic stance toward education for its own sake, telling themselves they expect nothing further. Some proceed with iron cynicism and scorn, racing through the ludicrous charade toward the last wad of cash in the airless vault of the future. And some remain committed to the antique faith that their ascendingly hard labor will surely be rewarded some day if they just act as one who believes, just show up, take on more degrees and more debt, work harder.
Time, the actual material of our being, disappears: the hours of our daily life. The future is seized from us in advance, given over to the servicing of debt and to beggaring our neighbors. Maybe we will earn the rent on our boredom, more likely not. There will be no 77 virgins, not even a plasma monitor on which to watch the death throes of the United States as a global power. Capitalism has finally become a true religion,wherein the riches of heaven are everywhere promised and nowhere delivered. The only difference is that every manner of crassness and cruelty is actively encouraged in the unending meantime. We live as a dead civilization, the last residents of Pompeii.
The kids get it. Wake up and smell the doom. Instead of clinging to a pathological state of denial.[/quote]
Why are these guys not a bunch of self-entitled “good life” expecting crybabies? That’s my first reaction. So they have to find meaning in their lives if they can. What’s new? Billions have had it worse than this bunch ever will, including many of their contemporaries in this country and on the planet. What seems to be missing is the good kind of pride.I don’t actually blame them for not having it …who would have given it to them?[/quote]
Of course they are self-entitled, Russ. It’s been driven into there head since they were born. However, the American dream is turning into a nightmare as they will all be saddled with huge amounts of debt and no jobs. This is something I’ve been expecting to see as the college age realize that all is not well in wonder land.
November 21, 2009 at 8:11 AM #485044NotCranky
ParticipantMy wife agrees with the idea that these kids feel “duped”. I agree that if many of them took on debt to get to the “promised land” of big homes and beemers, they are in a big jam. Some of them will get jobs up to the task of paying that debt off and some won’t I guess.
Whoever told them all those bullstuff promises should be in big trouble.I think the kids have some responsibility for listening and for being disappointed.Not everybody does. I also think their appetites and the frustration of same is a personal problem to deal with. Whatever happend to the thought “nothing comes with a guarantee”? Caveat emptor? What I think these kids learned most is that you can fight for and protect your ascent on the socio- economic ladder with politics.
I can’t help it if I feel they should be a little more humble,philosophical and considerate of alternatives to solving their problems than bitching about not having it like their parents did. I do feel bad for them having the role of transitional generation in this regard…if that is how things turn out.
November 21, 2009 at 8:11 AM #485210ParticipantMy wife agrees with the idea that these kids feel “duped”. I agree that if many of them took on debt to get to the “promised land” of big homes and beemers, they are in a big jam. Some of them will get jobs up to the task of paying that debt off and some won’t I guess.
Whoever told them all those bullstuff promises should be in big trouble.I think the kids have some responsibility for listening and for being disappointed.Not everybody does. I also think their appetites and the frustration of same is a personal problem to deal with. Whatever happend to the thought “nothing comes with a guarantee”? Caveat emptor? What I think these kids learned most is that you can fight for and protect your ascent on the socio- economic ladder with politics.
I can’t help it if I feel they should be a little more humble,philosophical and considerate of alternatives to solving their problems than bitching about not having it like their parents did. I do feel bad for them having the role of transitional generation in this regard…if that is how things turn out.
November 21, 2009 at 8:11 AM #485586ParticipantMy wife agrees with the idea that these kids feel “duped”. I agree that if many of them took on debt to get to the “promised land” of big homes and beemers, they are in a big jam. Some of them will get jobs up to the task of paying that debt off and some won’t I guess.
Whoever told them all those bullstuff promises should be in big trouble.I think the kids have some responsibility for listening and for being disappointed.Not everybody does. I also think their appetites and the frustration of same is a personal problem to deal with. Whatever happend to the thought “nothing comes with a guarantee”? Caveat emptor? What I think these kids learned most is that you can fight for and protect your ascent on the socio- economic ladder with politics.
I can’t help it if I feel they should be a little more humble,philosophical and considerate of alternatives to solving their problems than bitching about not having it like their parents did. I do feel bad for them having the role of transitional generation in this regard…if that is how things turn out.
November 21, 2009 at 8:11 AM #485670ParticipantMy wife agrees with the idea that these kids feel “duped”. I agree that if many of them took on debt to get to the “promised land” of big homes and beemers, they are in a big jam. Some of them will get jobs up to the task of paying that debt off and some won’t I guess.
Whoever told them all those bullstuff promises should be in big trouble.I think the kids have some responsibility for listening and for being disappointed.Not everybody does. I also think their appetites and the frustration of same is a personal problem to deal with. Whatever happend to the thought “nothing comes with a guarantee”? Caveat emptor? What I think these kids learned most is that you can fight for and protect your ascent on the socio- economic ladder with politics.
I can’t help it if I feel they should be a little more humble,philosophical and considerate of alternatives to solving their problems than bitching about not having it like their parents did. I do feel bad for them having the role of transitional generation in this regard…if that is how things turn out.
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