The Whole World is Changing

[werewolf34]

FYI there are no more conservatives (in the fiscal sense). Liberal have very little to do with the breakaway economy b/c they don’t tend to be rich and run companies. Thanks for playing

Just pols stealing for the right and the left.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]TexasLine: Actually, I do think you’re onto something here.

For the last generation or two, we’ve grown accustomed to cheap food, fuel and money and have built an unsustainable societal and business model around it.

We’ve gotten used to a unipolar world in the last twenty years and, like Rome and Great Britain, have grown complacent, lazy and morally weak.

As a country we’ve come to abhor hard choices and are unwilling to recognize that the cost of our lifestyle has grown exponentially more expensive, in terms of health care (due to poor lifestyle choices like all that cheap, commodified McDonalds food), resource extraction (fiscally ruinous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan), and business/finance (attempting to sustain wealth generation with a depleted manufacturing base and acting as though pushing pieces of paper around or selling each other overpriced houses is somehow actual work).

Nope, I think you’re right. There is a seismic change taking place and, even if you can’t see it, you can feel it coming.[/quote]

I know that we’re not on the same side of the aisle; but I agree with everything you said.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]TexasLine: Actually, I do think you’re onto something here.

For the last generation or two, we’ve grown accustomed to cheap food, fuel and money and have built an unsustainable societal and business model around it.

We’ve gotten used to a unipolar world in the last twenty years and, like Rome and Great Britain, have grown complacent, lazy and morally weak.

As a country we’ve come to abhor hard choices and are unwilling to recognize that the cost of our lifestyle has grown exponentially more expensive, in terms of health care (due to poor lifestyle choices like all that cheap, commodified McDonalds food), resource extraction (fiscally ruinous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan), and business/finance (attempting to sustain wealth generation with a depleted manufacturing base and acting as though pushing pieces of paper around or selling each other overpriced houses is somehow actual work).

Nope, I think you’re right. There is a seismic change taking place and, even if you can’t see it, you can feel it coming.[/quote]

I know that we’re not on the same side of the aisle; but I agree with everything you said.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]TexasLine: Actually, I do think you’re onto something here.

For the last generation or two, we’ve grown accustomed to cheap food, fuel and money and have built an unsustainable societal and business model around it.

We’ve gotten used to a unipolar world in the last twenty years and, like Rome and Great Britain, have grown complacent, lazy and morally weak.

As a country we’ve come to abhor hard choices and are unwilling to recognize that the cost of our lifestyle has grown exponentially more expensive, in terms of health care (due to poor lifestyle choices like all that cheap, commodified McDonalds food), resource extraction (fiscally ruinous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan), and business/finance (attempting to sustain wealth generation with a depleted manufacturing base and acting as though pushing pieces of paper around or selling each other overpriced houses is somehow actual work).

Nope, I think you’re right. There is a seismic change taking place and, even if you can’t see it, you can feel it coming.[/quote]

I know that we’re not on the same side of the aisle; but I agree with everything you said.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]TexasLine: Actually, I do think you’re onto something here.

For the last generation or two, we’ve grown accustomed to cheap food, fuel and money and have built an unsustainable societal and business model around it.

We’ve gotten used to a unipolar world in the last twenty years and, like Rome and Great Britain, have grown complacent, lazy and morally weak.

As a country we’ve come to abhor hard choices and are unwilling to recognize that the cost of our lifestyle has grown exponentially more expensive, in terms of health care (due to poor lifestyle choices like all that cheap, commodified McDonalds food), resource extraction (fiscally ruinous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan), and business/finance (attempting to sustain wealth generation with a depleted manufacturing base and acting as though pushing pieces of paper around or selling each other overpriced houses is somehow actual work).

Nope, I think you’re right. There is a seismic change taking place and, even if you can’t see it, you can feel it coming.[/quote]

I know that we’re not on the same side of the aisle; but I agree with everything you said.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]TexasLine: Actually, I do think you’re onto something here.

For the last generation or two, we’ve grown accustomed to cheap food, fuel and money and have built an unsustainable societal and business model around it.

We’ve gotten used to a unipolar world in the last twenty years and, like Rome and Great Britain, have grown complacent, lazy and morally weak.

As a country we’ve come to abhor hard choices and are unwilling to recognize that the cost of our lifestyle has grown exponentially more expensive, in terms of health care (due to poor lifestyle choices like all that cheap, commodified McDonalds food), resource extraction (fiscally ruinous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan), and business/finance (attempting to sustain wealth generation with a depleted manufacturing base and acting as though pushing pieces of paper around or selling each other overpriced houses is somehow actual work).

Nope, I think you’re right. There is a seismic change taking place and, even if you can’t see it, you can feel it coming.[/quote]

I know that we’re not on the same side of the aisle; but I agree with everything you said.

[taz]

James Howard Kunstler has been writing about this for years…the “Long Emergency”…

[taz]

James Howard Kunstler has been writing about this for years…the “Long Emergency”…

[taz]

James Howard Kunstler has been writing about this for years…the “Long Emergency”…

[taz]

James Howard Kunstler has been writing about this for years…the “Long Emergency”…

[taz]

James Howard Kunstler has been writing about this for years…the “Long Emergency”…

[EconProf]

I sense much of our trouble could be traced to “short-termism”. We seek instant gratification and postpone the costs. As consumers, as voters, as politicians–everyone wants benefits now and we have figured out new ways to put off the costs. This is the essence of credit cards, home equity extraction, Obamacare, CA fiscal decisions, government pension promises, etc.
Having done this for so long and in increasing amounts and with creative new tools, we now face certain mathematical inevitabilities that dim our future and that of our children.
We have done it to ourselves. I don’t see much awakening to this idea by the broader public whether consumer or voter. Piggs excepted, of course.

[EconProf]

I sense much of our trouble could be traced to “short-termism”. We seek instant gratification and postpone the costs. As consumers, as voters, as politicians–everyone wants benefits now and we have figured out new ways to put off the costs. This is the essence of credit cards, home equity extraction, Obamacare, CA fiscal decisions, government pension promises, etc.
Having done this for so long and in increasing amounts and with creative new tools, we now face certain mathematical inevitabilities that dim our future and that of our children.
We have done it to ourselves. I don’t see much awakening to this idea by the broader public whether consumer or voter. Piggs excepted, of course.

[EconProf]

I sense much of our trouble could be traced to “short-termism”. We seek instant gratification and postpone the costs. As consumers, as voters, as politicians–everyone wants benefits now and we have figured out new ways to put off the costs. This is the essence of credit cards, home equity extraction, Obamacare, CA fiscal decisions, government pension promises, etc.
Having done this for so long and in increasing amounts and with creative new tools, we now face certain mathematical inevitabilities that dim our future and that of our children.
We have done it to ourselves. I don’t see much awakening to this idea by the broader public whether consumer or voter. Piggs excepted, of course.

[EconProf]

I sense much of our trouble could be traced to “short-termism”. We seek instant gratification and postpone the costs. As consumers, as voters, as politicians–everyone wants benefits now and we have figured out new ways to put off the costs. This is the essence of credit cards, home equity extraction, Obamacare, CA fiscal decisions, government pension promises, etc.
Having done this for so long and in increasing amounts and with creative new tools, we now face certain mathematical inevitabilities that dim our future and that of our children.
We have done it to ourselves. I don’t see much awakening to this idea by the broader public whether consumer or voter. Piggs excepted, of course.

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