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March 27, 2010 at 8:35 AM #533039March 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM #532126briansd1Guest
[quote=jpinpb]HOWEVER, watching my friends and family w/children, I beg to differ on having children as being a selfish act. I think having kids has to be the most selfless act a person can do. It takes your time, energy, money, effort and most important your love. You sacrifice your life to your children. Far from being selfish. [/quote]
I knew someone would come up with that response.
Parents maybe generous to their kids but there are strings attached and future expectations involved.
To me a real selfless person would do good upon strangers with no expectations of return affection or rewards.
I watch my sister-in-law and she lives for her child. Without the child they would be divorced already. The child keeps her busy and out of my brother’s hair so it works out just fine. The child gives her purpose in life.
Sure my brother loves his kid but it was more for her than for him.
BTW, it was supposed to be an “accident”. Sure it was.
March 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM #532256briansd1Guest[quote=jpinpb]HOWEVER, watching my friends and family w/children, I beg to differ on having children as being a selfish act. I think having kids has to be the most selfless act a person can do. It takes your time, energy, money, effort and most important your love. You sacrifice your life to your children. Far from being selfish. [/quote]
I knew someone would come up with that response.
Parents maybe generous to their kids but there are strings attached and future expectations involved.
To me a real selfless person would do good upon strangers with no expectations of return affection or rewards.
I watch my sister-in-law and she lives for her child. Without the child they would be divorced already. The child keeps her busy and out of my brother’s hair so it works out just fine. The child gives her purpose in life.
Sure my brother loves his kid but it was more for her than for him.
BTW, it was supposed to be an “accident”. Sure it was.
March 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM #532706briansd1Guest[quote=jpinpb]HOWEVER, watching my friends and family w/children, I beg to differ on having children as being a selfish act. I think having kids has to be the most selfless act a person can do. It takes your time, energy, money, effort and most important your love. You sacrifice your life to your children. Far from being selfish. [/quote]
I knew someone would come up with that response.
Parents maybe generous to their kids but there are strings attached and future expectations involved.
To me a real selfless person would do good upon strangers with no expectations of return affection or rewards.
I watch my sister-in-law and she lives for her child. Without the child they would be divorced already. The child keeps her busy and out of my brother’s hair so it works out just fine. The child gives her purpose in life.
Sure my brother loves his kid but it was more for her than for him.
BTW, it was supposed to be an “accident”. Sure it was.
March 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM #532803briansd1Guest[quote=jpinpb]HOWEVER, watching my friends and family w/children, I beg to differ on having children as being a selfish act. I think having kids has to be the most selfless act a person can do. It takes your time, energy, money, effort and most important your love. You sacrifice your life to your children. Far from being selfish. [/quote]
I knew someone would come up with that response.
Parents maybe generous to their kids but there are strings attached and future expectations involved.
To me a real selfless person would do good upon strangers with no expectations of return affection or rewards.
I watch my sister-in-law and she lives for her child. Without the child they would be divorced already. The child keeps her busy and out of my brother’s hair so it works out just fine. The child gives her purpose in life.
Sure my brother loves his kid but it was more for her than for him.
BTW, it was supposed to be an “accident”. Sure it was.
March 27, 2010 at 10:22 AM #533064briansd1Guest[quote=jpinpb]HOWEVER, watching my friends and family w/children, I beg to differ on having children as being a selfish act. I think having kids has to be the most selfless act a person can do. It takes your time, energy, money, effort and most important your love. You sacrifice your life to your children. Far from being selfish. [/quote]
I knew someone would come up with that response.
Parents maybe generous to their kids but there are strings attached and future expectations involved.
To me a real selfless person would do good upon strangers with no expectations of return affection or rewards.
I watch my sister-in-law and she lives for her child. Without the child they would be divorced already. The child keeps her busy and out of my brother’s hair so it works out just fine. The child gives her purpose in life.
Sure my brother loves his kid but it was more for her than for him.
BTW, it was supposed to be an “accident”. Sure it was.
March 27, 2010 at 11:31 AM #532146anParticipant[quote=briansd1]I watch my sister-in-law and she lives for her child. Without the child they would be divorced already. The child keeps her busy and out of my brother’s hair so it works out just fine. The child gives her purpose in life.
Sure my brother loves his kid but it was more for her than for him.
BTW, it was supposed to be an “accident”. Sure it was.[/quote]
Two people giving up personal happiness for the happiness and betterment of another person. Sounds pretty selfless to me. When’s the last time you sacrifice your own happiness for the happiness of another?March 27, 2010 at 11:31 AM #532274anParticipant[quote=briansd1]I watch my sister-in-law and she lives for her child. Without the child they would be divorced already. The child keeps her busy and out of my brother’s hair so it works out just fine. The child gives her purpose in life.
Sure my brother loves his kid but it was more for her than for him.
BTW, it was supposed to be an “accident”. Sure it was.[/quote]
Two people giving up personal happiness for the happiness and betterment of another person. Sounds pretty selfless to me. When’s the last time you sacrifice your own happiness for the happiness of another?March 27, 2010 at 11:31 AM #532726anParticipant[quote=briansd1]I watch my sister-in-law and she lives for her child. Without the child they would be divorced already. The child keeps her busy and out of my brother’s hair so it works out just fine. The child gives her purpose in life.
Sure my brother loves his kid but it was more for her than for him.
BTW, it was supposed to be an “accident”. Sure it was.[/quote]
Two people giving up personal happiness for the happiness and betterment of another person. Sounds pretty selfless to me. When’s the last time you sacrifice your own happiness for the happiness of another?March 27, 2010 at 11:31 AM #532823anParticipant[quote=briansd1]I watch my sister-in-law and she lives for her child. Without the child they would be divorced already. The child keeps her busy and out of my brother’s hair so it works out just fine. The child gives her purpose in life.
Sure my brother loves his kid but it was more for her than for him.
BTW, it was supposed to be an “accident”. Sure it was.[/quote]
Two people giving up personal happiness for the happiness and betterment of another person. Sounds pretty selfless to me. When’s the last time you sacrifice your own happiness for the happiness of another?March 27, 2010 at 11:31 AM #533084anParticipant[quote=briansd1]I watch my sister-in-law and she lives for her child. Without the child they would be divorced already. The child keeps her busy and out of my brother’s hair so it works out just fine. The child gives her purpose in life.
Sure my brother loves his kid but it was more for her than for him.
BTW, it was supposed to be an “accident”. Sure it was.[/quote]
Two people giving up personal happiness for the happiness and betterment of another person. Sounds pretty selfless to me. When’s the last time you sacrifice your own happiness for the happiness of another?March 27, 2010 at 11:53 AM #532151daveljParticipant[quote=jpinpb]
I don’t have any kids, though for a very long time I desired children. The universe had a say in that. Here I also understand both sides. The world is overpopulated, I agree. HOWEVER, watching my friends and family w/children, I beg to differ on having children as being a selfish act. I think having kids has to be the most selfless act a person can do. It takes your time, energy, money, effort and most important your love. You sacrifice your life to your children. Far from being selfish.
[/quote]I’m not an environmentalist. Let me say that again: I’m NOT an environmentalist. But… there is no debating the observation that having children is bad for the environment. [We’ve discussed this before: the total pollution engendered by children and their children’s children and so on is horrible for the environment. The “present value” of environmental damage – so to speak – of having a couple of children that reproduce themselves is enormous.] Choosing not to have children has it’s own selfish dimension (as all decisions do). But choosing to have children takes it to a whole different level once environmental issues are taken into consideration. So, although it’s counter-intuitive, I’d argue that having children is far more selfish than not having children when viewed in an environmental context. [Again, not that I care – I could care less if anyone wants to have kids – but let’s at least tally up the environmental damage and assign it properly.]
You state that, “You sacrifice your life to your children.” The operative word being “YOUR.” Sounds pretty selfish to me.
March 27, 2010 at 11:53 AM #532279daveljParticipant[quote=jpinpb]
I don’t have any kids, though for a very long time I desired children. The universe had a say in that. Here I also understand both sides. The world is overpopulated, I agree. HOWEVER, watching my friends and family w/children, I beg to differ on having children as being a selfish act. I think having kids has to be the most selfless act a person can do. It takes your time, energy, money, effort and most important your love. You sacrifice your life to your children. Far from being selfish.
[/quote]I’m not an environmentalist. Let me say that again: I’m NOT an environmentalist. But… there is no debating the observation that having children is bad for the environment. [We’ve discussed this before: the total pollution engendered by children and their children’s children and so on is horrible for the environment. The “present value” of environmental damage – so to speak – of having a couple of children that reproduce themselves is enormous.] Choosing not to have children has it’s own selfish dimension (as all decisions do). But choosing to have children takes it to a whole different level once environmental issues are taken into consideration. So, although it’s counter-intuitive, I’d argue that having children is far more selfish than not having children when viewed in an environmental context. [Again, not that I care – I could care less if anyone wants to have kids – but let’s at least tally up the environmental damage and assign it properly.]
You state that, “You sacrifice your life to your children.” The operative word being “YOUR.” Sounds pretty selfish to me.
March 27, 2010 at 11:53 AM #532731daveljParticipant[quote=jpinpb]
I don’t have any kids, though for a very long time I desired children. The universe had a say in that. Here I also understand both sides. The world is overpopulated, I agree. HOWEVER, watching my friends and family w/children, I beg to differ on having children as being a selfish act. I think having kids has to be the most selfless act a person can do. It takes your time, energy, money, effort and most important your love. You sacrifice your life to your children. Far from being selfish.
[/quote]I’m not an environmentalist. Let me say that again: I’m NOT an environmentalist. But… there is no debating the observation that having children is bad for the environment. [We’ve discussed this before: the total pollution engendered by children and their children’s children and so on is horrible for the environment. The “present value” of environmental damage – so to speak – of having a couple of children that reproduce themselves is enormous.] Choosing not to have children has it’s own selfish dimension (as all decisions do). But choosing to have children takes it to a whole different level once environmental issues are taken into consideration. So, although it’s counter-intuitive, I’d argue that having children is far more selfish than not having children when viewed in an environmental context. [Again, not that I care – I could care less if anyone wants to have kids – but let’s at least tally up the environmental damage and assign it properly.]
You state that, “You sacrifice your life to your children.” The operative word being “YOUR.” Sounds pretty selfish to me.
March 27, 2010 at 11:53 AM #532828daveljParticipant[quote=jpinpb]
I don’t have any kids, though for a very long time I desired children. The universe had a say in that. Here I also understand both sides. The world is overpopulated, I agree. HOWEVER, watching my friends and family w/children, I beg to differ on having children as being a selfish act. I think having kids has to be the most selfless act a person can do. It takes your time, energy, money, effort and most important your love. You sacrifice your life to your children. Far from being selfish.
[/quote]I’m not an environmentalist. Let me say that again: I’m NOT an environmentalist. But… there is no debating the observation that having children is bad for the environment. [We’ve discussed this before: the total pollution engendered by children and their children’s children and so on is horrible for the environment. The “present value” of environmental damage – so to speak – of having a couple of children that reproduce themselves is enormous.] Choosing not to have children has it’s own selfish dimension (as all decisions do). But choosing to have children takes it to a whole different level once environmental issues are taken into consideration. So, although it’s counter-intuitive, I’d argue that having children is far more selfish than not having children when viewed in an environmental context. [Again, not that I care – I could care less if anyone wants to have kids – but let’s at least tally up the environmental damage and assign it properly.]
You state that, “You sacrifice your life to your children.” The operative word being “YOUR.” Sounds pretty selfish to me.
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