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November 10, 2009 at 9:35 PM #481211November 10, 2009 at 10:23 PM #480404
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ParticipantAs a landlord myself, I feel this landlord is selfish and greedy. Yes, many people take advantage of others whenever they can, which is quite sad. However, I do not think this renter belongs to that category. At least the landlord can offer one free month to the renter.
November 10, 2009 at 10:23 PM #480571ParticipantAs a landlord myself, I feel this landlord is selfish and greedy. Yes, many people take advantage of others whenever they can, which is quite sad. However, I do not think this renter belongs to that category. At least the landlord can offer one free month to the renter.
November 10, 2009 at 10:23 PM #480934ParticipantAs a landlord myself, I feel this landlord is selfish and greedy. Yes, many people take advantage of others whenever they can, which is quite sad. However, I do not think this renter belongs to that category. At least the landlord can offer one free month to the renter.
November 10, 2009 at 10:23 PM #481015ParticipantAs a landlord myself, I feel this landlord is selfish and greedy. Yes, many people take advantage of others whenever they can, which is quite sad. However, I do not think this renter belongs to that category. At least the landlord can offer one free month to the renter.
November 10, 2009 at 10:23 PM #481236ParticipantAs a landlord myself, I feel this landlord is selfish and greedy. Yes, many people take advantage of others whenever they can, which is quite sad. However, I do not think this renter belongs to that category. At least the landlord can offer one free month to the renter.
November 10, 2009 at 11:18 PM #480389Effective Demand
Participant[quote=CA renter]Sounds like you’re going to be okay, Doublewide. Nice!
I agree with Effective Demand. That is a GREAT strategy.
—————Effective Demand,
Would you mind posting a copy of your agreement here (with identifying material left off, of course), so that other renters could copy your idea? I think this is a very wise move on your part.[/quote]
Since the form was from the LL from a pay site I won’t post it here but I added the following clauses:
“Home will not be placed for sale or shown to prepare for sale during the rental term.”
“Any Notice of Default filed on the subject property gives the lessee an option to cancel the lease with 30 days notice at no penalty to the lessee.”
“If a Notice of Trustee sale on the subject property is filed no rent will be owed or accrue until the lessor returns the security deposit to the lessee.”
“The lessee, at their option, may cancel the lease with 30 day notice and paying a penalty equal to one months rent”
I am obviously not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, your mileage mary vary, etc.
They key in any negotiation with clauses like these is to explain why you would like them not just spring them out of the blue. If you are dealing with an owner just “trying to wait it out” over trying to pull a fast one they will get over any reservations they might have. Having impeccable credit and references helps a lot in getting the “fine points” through. If you have bad credit and the LL is taking a risk renting to you anyways it would be much harder to win any deal points.
What I did was present each clause and why I wanted it in the lease similiar to below. Clause #1, I don’t want to be a part of a home sale situation if you would like to sell during the lease we will have to work out an alternate arrangement. Clause #2, I generally don’t want to be part of a foreclosure situation but if there is true hardship I am not looking for an easy out. Clause #3, Protect my security deposit in case of a foreclosure situation. Clause #4, California law limits the damage in which the lessee has to pay by requiring the owner to re-rent the property at market rent and the lessee is on the hook for the difference and missed rent. I just want to put a box around the damage in case life events may cause me to move.
I also offered a longer term. I got all the above included in the lease. Clause #1 the first go and Clause #1-4 in the second along with a longer term.
The key is for me to be in the driver seat. If my LL needs to sell I won’t stand in their way but it will happen on my terms, not theirs. If they want to rent skim, I have the choice of leaving. If they are going to let the property go to trustee sale, I won’t have to go to court for my security deposit (well I COULD, but I’d take the free rent and call it even).
Also for any rental units I’d check the liens on the property if it is privately owned. If the place is underwater you will want to think about living somewhere else. Anyone with foreclosureradar type access can get you that, any agent can do the same. It isn’t perfect, it isn’t a chain of title, but it will give you the basic idea of what is going on with the property.
Edit: Just in case I wasn’t perfectly clear this is for investor or owner occupied properties only. Not corporate owned situations. I highly doubt they would modify their contract and so you just have to be comfortable with the terms as they stand in the contract.
November 10, 2009 at 11:18 PM #480556Participant[quote=CA renter]Sounds like you’re going to be okay, Doublewide. Nice!
I agree with Effective Demand. That is a GREAT strategy.
—————Effective Demand,
Would you mind posting a copy of your agreement here (with identifying material left off, of course), so that other renters could copy your idea? I think this is a very wise move on your part.[/quote]
Since the form was from the LL from a pay site I won’t post it here but I added the following clauses:
“Home will not be placed for sale or shown to prepare for sale during the rental term.”
“Any Notice of Default filed on the subject property gives the lessee an option to cancel the lease with 30 days notice at no penalty to the lessee.”
“If a Notice of Trustee sale on the subject property is filed no rent will be owed or accrue until the lessor returns the security deposit to the lessee.”
“The lessee, at their option, may cancel the lease with 30 day notice and paying a penalty equal to one months rent”
I am obviously not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, your mileage mary vary, etc.
They key in any negotiation with clauses like these is to explain why you would like them not just spring them out of the blue. If you are dealing with an owner just “trying to wait it out” over trying to pull a fast one they will get over any reservations they might have. Having impeccable credit and references helps a lot in getting the “fine points” through. If you have bad credit and the LL is taking a risk renting to you anyways it would be much harder to win any deal points.
What I did was present each clause and why I wanted it in the lease similiar to below. Clause #1, I don’t want to be a part of a home sale situation if you would like to sell during the lease we will have to work out an alternate arrangement. Clause #2, I generally don’t want to be part of a foreclosure situation but if there is true hardship I am not looking for an easy out. Clause #3, Protect my security deposit in case of a foreclosure situation. Clause #4, California law limits the damage in which the lessee has to pay by requiring the owner to re-rent the property at market rent and the lessee is on the hook for the difference and missed rent. I just want to put a box around the damage in case life events may cause me to move.
I also offered a longer term. I got all the above included in the lease. Clause #1 the first go and Clause #1-4 in the second along with a longer term.
The key is for me to be in the driver seat. If my LL needs to sell I won’t stand in their way but it will happen on my terms, not theirs. If they want to rent skim, I have the choice of leaving. If they are going to let the property go to trustee sale, I won’t have to go to court for my security deposit (well I COULD, but I’d take the free rent and call it even).
Also for any rental units I’d check the liens on the property if it is privately owned. If the place is underwater you will want to think about living somewhere else. Anyone with foreclosureradar type access can get you that, any agent can do the same. It isn’t perfect, it isn’t a chain of title, but it will give you the basic idea of what is going on with the property.
Edit: Just in case I wasn’t perfectly clear this is for investor or owner occupied properties only. Not corporate owned situations. I highly doubt they would modify their contract and so you just have to be comfortable with the terms as they stand in the contract.
November 10, 2009 at 11:18 PM #480919Participant[quote=CA renter]Sounds like you’re going to be okay, Doublewide. Nice!
I agree with Effective Demand. That is a GREAT strategy.
—————Effective Demand,
Would you mind posting a copy of your agreement here (with identifying material left off, of course), so that other renters could copy your idea? I think this is a very wise move on your part.[/quote]
Since the form was from the LL from a pay site I won’t post it here but I added the following clauses:
“Home will not be placed for sale or shown to prepare for sale during the rental term.”
“Any Notice of Default filed on the subject property gives the lessee an option to cancel the lease with 30 days notice at no penalty to the lessee.”
“If a Notice of Trustee sale on the subject property is filed no rent will be owed or accrue until the lessor returns the security deposit to the lessee.”
“The lessee, at their option, may cancel the lease with 30 day notice and paying a penalty equal to one months rent”
I am obviously not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, your mileage mary vary, etc.
They key in any negotiation with clauses like these is to explain why you would like them not just spring them out of the blue. If you are dealing with an owner just “trying to wait it out” over trying to pull a fast one they will get over any reservations they might have. Having impeccable credit and references helps a lot in getting the “fine points” through. If you have bad credit and the LL is taking a risk renting to you anyways it would be much harder to win any deal points.
What I did was present each clause and why I wanted it in the lease similiar to below. Clause #1, I don’t want to be a part of a home sale situation if you would like to sell during the lease we will have to work out an alternate arrangement. Clause #2, I generally don’t want to be part of a foreclosure situation but if there is true hardship I am not looking for an easy out. Clause #3, Protect my security deposit in case of a foreclosure situation. Clause #4, California law limits the damage in which the lessee has to pay by requiring the owner to re-rent the property at market rent and the lessee is on the hook for the difference and missed rent. I just want to put a box around the damage in case life events may cause me to move.
I also offered a longer term. I got all the above included in the lease. Clause #1 the first go and Clause #1-4 in the second along with a longer term.
The key is for me to be in the driver seat. If my LL needs to sell I won’t stand in their way but it will happen on my terms, not theirs. If they want to rent skim, I have the choice of leaving. If they are going to let the property go to trustee sale, I won’t have to go to court for my security deposit (well I COULD, but I’d take the free rent and call it even).
Also for any rental units I’d check the liens on the property if it is privately owned. If the place is underwater you will want to think about living somewhere else. Anyone with foreclosureradar type access can get you that, any agent can do the same. It isn’t perfect, it isn’t a chain of title, but it will give you the basic idea of what is going on with the property.
Edit: Just in case I wasn’t perfectly clear this is for investor or owner occupied properties only. Not corporate owned situations. I highly doubt they would modify their contract and so you just have to be comfortable with the terms as they stand in the contract.
November 10, 2009 at 11:18 PM #481000Participant[quote=CA renter]Sounds like you’re going to be okay, Doublewide. Nice!
I agree with Effective Demand. That is a GREAT strategy.
—————Effective Demand,
Would you mind posting a copy of your agreement here (with identifying material left off, of course), so that other renters could copy your idea? I think this is a very wise move on your part.[/quote]
Since the form was from the LL from a pay site I won’t post it here but I added the following clauses:
“Home will not be placed for sale or shown to prepare for sale during the rental term.”
“Any Notice of Default filed on the subject property gives the lessee an option to cancel the lease with 30 days notice at no penalty to the lessee.”
“If a Notice of Trustee sale on the subject property is filed no rent will be owed or accrue until the lessor returns the security deposit to the lessee.”
“The lessee, at their option, may cancel the lease with 30 day notice and paying a penalty equal to one months rent”
I am obviously not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, your mileage mary vary, etc.
They key in any negotiation with clauses like these is to explain why you would like them not just spring them out of the blue. If you are dealing with an owner just “trying to wait it out” over trying to pull a fast one they will get over any reservations they might have. Having impeccable credit and references helps a lot in getting the “fine points” through. If you have bad credit and the LL is taking a risk renting to you anyways it would be much harder to win any deal points.
What I did was present each clause and why I wanted it in the lease similiar to below. Clause #1, I don’t want to be a part of a home sale situation if you would like to sell during the lease we will have to work out an alternate arrangement. Clause #2, I generally don’t want to be part of a foreclosure situation but if there is true hardship I am not looking for an easy out. Clause #3, Protect my security deposit in case of a foreclosure situation. Clause #4, California law limits the damage in which the lessee has to pay by requiring the owner to re-rent the property at market rent and the lessee is on the hook for the difference and missed rent. I just want to put a box around the damage in case life events may cause me to move.
I also offered a longer term. I got all the above included in the lease. Clause #1 the first go and Clause #1-4 in the second along with a longer term.
The key is for me to be in the driver seat. If my LL needs to sell I won’t stand in their way but it will happen on my terms, not theirs. If they want to rent skim, I have the choice of leaving. If they are going to let the property go to trustee sale, I won’t have to go to court for my security deposit (well I COULD, but I’d take the free rent and call it even).
Also for any rental units I’d check the liens on the property if it is privately owned. If the place is underwater you will want to think about living somewhere else. Anyone with foreclosureradar type access can get you that, any agent can do the same. It isn’t perfect, it isn’t a chain of title, but it will give you the basic idea of what is going on with the property.
Edit: Just in case I wasn’t perfectly clear this is for investor or owner occupied properties only. Not corporate owned situations. I highly doubt they would modify their contract and so you just have to be comfortable with the terms as they stand in the contract.
November 10, 2009 at 11:18 PM #481221Participant[quote=CA renter]Sounds like you’re going to be okay, Doublewide. Nice!
I agree with Effective Demand. That is a GREAT strategy.
—————Effective Demand,
Would you mind posting a copy of your agreement here (with identifying material left off, of course), so that other renters could copy your idea? I think this is a very wise move on your part.[/quote]
Since the form was from the LL from a pay site I won’t post it here but I added the following clauses:
“Home will not be placed for sale or shown to prepare for sale during the rental term.”
“Any Notice of Default filed on the subject property gives the lessee an option to cancel the lease with 30 days notice at no penalty to the lessee.”
“If a Notice of Trustee sale on the subject property is filed no rent will be owed or accrue until the lessor returns the security deposit to the lessee.”
“The lessee, at their option, may cancel the lease with 30 day notice and paying a penalty equal to one months rent”
I am obviously not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, your mileage mary vary, etc.
They key in any negotiation with clauses like these is to explain why you would like them not just spring them out of the blue. If you are dealing with an owner just “trying to wait it out” over trying to pull a fast one they will get over any reservations they might have. Having impeccable credit and references helps a lot in getting the “fine points” through. If you have bad credit and the LL is taking a risk renting to you anyways it would be much harder to win any deal points.
What I did was present each clause and why I wanted it in the lease similiar to below. Clause #1, I don’t want to be a part of a home sale situation if you would like to sell during the lease we will have to work out an alternate arrangement. Clause #2, I generally don’t want to be part of a foreclosure situation but if there is true hardship I am not looking for an easy out. Clause #3, Protect my security deposit in case of a foreclosure situation. Clause #4, California law limits the damage in which the lessee has to pay by requiring the owner to re-rent the property at market rent and the lessee is on the hook for the difference and missed rent. I just want to put a box around the damage in case life events may cause me to move.
I also offered a longer term. I got all the above included in the lease. Clause #1 the first go and Clause #1-4 in the second along with a longer term.
The key is for me to be in the driver seat. If my LL needs to sell I won’t stand in their way but it will happen on my terms, not theirs. If they want to rent skim, I have the choice of leaving. If they are going to let the property go to trustee sale, I won’t have to go to court for my security deposit (well I COULD, but I’d take the free rent and call it even).
Also for any rental units I’d check the liens on the property if it is privately owned. If the place is underwater you will want to think about living somewhere else. Anyone with foreclosureradar type access can get you that, any agent can do the same. It isn’t perfect, it isn’t a chain of title, but it will give you the basic idea of what is going on with the property.
Edit: Just in case I wasn’t perfectly clear this is for investor or owner occupied properties only. Not corporate owned situations. I highly doubt they would modify their contract and so you just have to be comfortable with the terms as they stand in the contract.
November 10, 2009 at 11:41 PM #480424temeculaguy
ParticipantEffective Demand, I absolutely love your approach and your lease addendums. I encourage everyone to use them and to use your explanations as to why they are fair to both sides. Most mom and pop landlords would accept those terms with those explanations, they don’t indicate that you want anything for free but that you don’t want to be taken advantage of. The terms should weed out bad landlords all by themselves. The one landlord that I truly admired was fair to me and I was to them, unfortunately I had to luck into that relationship and it was a rare example. You have freely shared a plan to make your own luck, thanks. When I do buy a rental and become a landlord, I think i will add those addendums without being asked and may even figure out a way to advertise them beforehand, I think many renters would be swayed towards renting one place over another if they had some form of foreclosure protection and a more defined penaltly if they chose to buy or needed to move. Let’s hope you have started a trned with a few strokes of a keyboard.
I hope your post isn’t too late in the thread to be read my many because it is an important piece of advice. I also want to commend you on displaying the true nature of this website, sharing information to make a stranger’s life better. Your Karma bucket is now full, may you be rewarded twentyfold.
November 10, 2009 at 11:41 PM #480591ParticipantEffective Demand, I absolutely love your approach and your lease addendums. I encourage everyone to use them and to use your explanations as to why they are fair to both sides. Most mom and pop landlords would accept those terms with those explanations, they don’t indicate that you want anything for free but that you don’t want to be taken advantage of. The terms should weed out bad landlords all by themselves. The one landlord that I truly admired was fair to me and I was to them, unfortunately I had to luck into that relationship and it was a rare example. You have freely shared a plan to make your own luck, thanks. When I do buy a rental and become a landlord, I think i will add those addendums without being asked and may even figure out a way to advertise them beforehand, I think many renters would be swayed towards renting one place over another if they had some form of foreclosure protection and a more defined penaltly if they chose to buy or needed to move. Let’s hope you have started a trned with a few strokes of a keyboard.
I hope your post isn’t too late in the thread to be read my many because it is an important piece of advice. I also want to commend you on displaying the true nature of this website, sharing information to make a stranger’s life better. Your Karma bucket is now full, may you be rewarded twentyfold.
November 10, 2009 at 11:41 PM #480953ParticipantEffective Demand, I absolutely love your approach and your lease addendums. I encourage everyone to use them and to use your explanations as to why they are fair to both sides. Most mom and pop landlords would accept those terms with those explanations, they don’t indicate that you want anything for free but that you don’t want to be taken advantage of. The terms should weed out bad landlords all by themselves. The one landlord that I truly admired was fair to me and I was to them, unfortunately I had to luck into that relationship and it was a rare example. You have freely shared a plan to make your own luck, thanks. When I do buy a rental and become a landlord, I think i will add those addendums without being asked and may even figure out a way to advertise them beforehand, I think many renters would be swayed towards renting one place over another if they had some form of foreclosure protection and a more defined penaltly if they chose to buy or needed to move. Let’s hope you have started a trned with a few strokes of a keyboard.
I hope your post isn’t too late in the thread to be read my many because it is an important piece of advice. I also want to commend you on displaying the true nature of this website, sharing information to make a stranger’s life better. Your Karma bucket is now full, may you be rewarded twentyfold.
November 10, 2009 at 11:41 PM #481035ParticipantEffective Demand, I absolutely love your approach and your lease addendums. I encourage everyone to use them and to use your explanations as to why they are fair to both sides. Most mom and pop landlords would accept those terms with those explanations, they don’t indicate that you want anything for free but that you don’t want to be taken advantage of. The terms should weed out bad landlords all by themselves. The one landlord that I truly admired was fair to me and I was to them, unfortunately I had to luck into that relationship and it was a rare example. You have freely shared a plan to make your own luck, thanks. When I do buy a rental and become a landlord, I think i will add those addendums without being asked and may even figure out a way to advertise them beforehand, I think many renters would be swayed towards renting one place over another if they had some form of foreclosure protection and a more defined penaltly if they chose to buy or needed to move. Let’s hope you have started a trned with a few strokes of a keyboard.
I hope your post isn’t too late in the thread to be read my many because it is an important piece of advice. I also want to commend you on displaying the true nature of this website, sharing information to make a stranger’s life better. Your Karma bucket is now full, may you be rewarded twentyfold.
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