Sustainable growth limits

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Math is not really a science, it’s a tool. Actually that has been a long philosophical question. I’d say the consensus is no because it is not experimentally falsifiable. It is in a world all it’s own.

Economics comes from a time before physical sciences were understood and math has been around for thousands of years. It was the religious that started mathematics and ironically banking as well in the temples of the ancient world. It has its roots in ancient Egypt, Sumer and Babylonia, then grew rapidly in ancient Greece. Mathematics written in ancient Greek was translated into Arabic. About the same time mathematics of the Vedics in India was blossoming. Actually, it’s currently understood that the ancient indians may have taught the greeks geometry.

Modern science started with the inception of the scientific method in middle ages, Persia. Everything before hand is considered prescience, amongst philosophy of science types.

Which leads to the biggest fundamental problem with modern economic thought. It has no connection and is scientifically blind to the physical world. It deals a little to much in perception rather than facts. Until that is rectified bad times and constant crises for all. This is not an environmental rant, it’s just common sense. The price point mechanism with currency as it’s unit has very little insight on the natural order things.

Anyway, I’m done with this thread, for now, because it’s giving me a headache. Ill be back later to address some points.

Modern money and it’s relationship to energy is the destructor in the short-medium term. Though it will not be advertised that way

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Which leads to the biggest fundamental problem with modern economic thought. It has no connection and is scientifically blind to the physical world. It deals a little to much in perception rather than facts. Until that is rectified bad times and constant crises for all. This is not an environmental rant, it’s just common sense. The price point mechanism with currency as it’s unit has very little insight on the natural order things.
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Generically, I don’t disagree. But this doesn’t mean that economics is “useless.” It just means that it has limitations that need to be acknowledged (and often aren’t). It we threw out every theoretical construct that had limitations, we’d be left with precious little insight into anything.

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Anyway, I’m done with this thread, for now, because it’s giving me a headache. Ill be back later to address some points.
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… at your leisure…

[davelj]

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Which leads to the biggest fundamental problem with modern economic thought. It has no connection and is scientifically blind to the physical world. It deals a little to much in perception rather than facts. Until that is rectified bad times and constant crises for all. This is not an environmental rant, it’s just common sense. The price point mechanism with currency as it’s unit has very little insight on the natural order things.
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Generically, I don’t disagree. But this doesn’t mean that economics is “useless.” It just means that it has limitations that need to be acknowledged (and often aren’t). It we threw out every theoretical construct that had limitations, we’d be left with precious little insight into anything.

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Anyway, I’m done with this thread, for now, because it’s giving me a headache. Ill be back later to address some points.
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… at your leisure…

[davelj]

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Which leads to the biggest fundamental problem with modern economic thought. It has no connection and is scientifically blind to the physical world. It deals a little to much in perception rather than facts. Until that is rectified bad times and constant crises for all. This is not an environmental rant, it’s just common sense. The price point mechanism with currency as it’s unit has very little insight on the natural order things.
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Generically, I don’t disagree. But this doesn’t mean that economics is “useless.” It just means that it has limitations that need to be acknowledged (and often aren’t). It we threw out every theoretical construct that had limitations, we’d be left with precious little insight into anything.

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Anyway, I’m done with this thread, for now, because it’s giving me a headache. Ill be back later to address some points.
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… at your leisure…

[davelj]

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Which leads to the biggest fundamental problem with modern economic thought. It has no connection and is scientifically blind to the physical world. It deals a little to much in perception rather than facts. Until that is rectified bad times and constant crises for all. This is not an environmental rant, it’s just common sense. The price point mechanism with currency as it’s unit has very little insight on the natural order things.
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Generically, I don’t disagree. But this doesn’t mean that economics is “useless.” It just means that it has limitations that need to be acknowledged (and often aren’t). It we threw out every theoretical construct that had limitations, we’d be left with precious little insight into anything.

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Anyway, I’m done with this thread, for now, because it’s giving me a headache. Ill be back later to address some points.
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… at your leisure…

[davelj]

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Which leads to the biggest fundamental problem with modern economic thought. It has no connection and is scientifically blind to the physical world. It deals a little to much in perception rather than facts. Until that is rectified bad times and constant crises for all. This is not an environmental rant, it’s just common sense. The price point mechanism with currency as it’s unit has very little insight on the natural order things.
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Generically, I don’t disagree. But this doesn’t mean that economics is “useless.” It just means that it has limitations that need to be acknowledged (and often aren’t). It we threw out every theoretical construct that had limitations, we’d be left with precious little insight into anything.

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Anyway, I’m done with this thread, for now, because it’s giving me a headache. Ill be back later to address some points.
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… at your leisure…

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