Slovenia vs USA

[34f3f3f]

This should have been a US win. Third goal was disallowed, and both commentators for the match on ABC? said it was clearly a goal. Ref not up to the task.

[kcal09]

Unfortunately, there is no instant review and the refs decision is final. The good news is that the US team will face Algeria which is probably the weakest team in the group.

[Diego Mamani]

Yes, we were robbed! What’s worse, the ref wouldn’t bother to tell the players why he disallowed the goal. Technically, he’s not required to say why, but he could have done it nonetheless.

I’m not so sure Algeria is weak. The English couldn’t beat them! Team USA can certainly beat Argelia, but it won’t be easy.

[sunny88]

England couldn’t beat Algeria because they were running on the filed like 10 beheaded chicken.
Good thing UK’s goalkeeper fumbled the ball otherwise the US would have lost their first game. I think the US team can beat Algeria as long as they continue to play like against Slovenia.

[paramount]

Many of those World Cup Ref’s come from poor countries…

[paramount]

Many of those World Cup Ref’s come from poor countries…

[paramount]

Many of those World Cup Ref’s come from poor countries…

[paramount]

Many of those World Cup Ref’s come from poor countries…

[paramount]

Many of those World Cup Ref’s come from poor countries…

[sunny88]

England couldn’t beat Algeria because they were running on the filed like 10 beheaded chicken.
Good thing UK’s goalkeeper fumbled the ball otherwise the US would have lost their first game. I think the US team can beat Algeria as long as they continue to play like against Slovenia.

[sunny88]

England couldn’t beat Algeria because they were running on the filed like 10 beheaded chicken.
Good thing UK’s goalkeeper fumbled the ball otherwise the US would have lost their first game. I think the US team can beat Algeria as long as they continue to play like against Slovenia.

[sunny88]

England couldn’t beat Algeria because they were running on the filed like 10 beheaded chicken.
Good thing UK’s goalkeeper fumbled the ball otherwise the US would have lost their first game. I think the US team can beat Algeria as long as they continue to play like against Slovenia.

[sunny88]

England couldn’t beat Algeria because they were running on the filed like 10 beheaded chicken.
Good thing UK’s goalkeeper fumbled the ball otherwise the US would have lost their first game. I think the US team can beat Algeria as long as they continue to play like against Slovenia.

[Diego Mamani]

Yes, we were robbed! What’s worse, the ref wouldn’t bother to tell the players why he disallowed the goal. Technically, he’s not required to say why, but he could have done it nonetheless.

I’m not so sure Algeria is weak. The English couldn’t beat them! Team USA can certainly beat Argelia, but it won’t be easy.

[Diego Mamani]

Yes, we were robbed! What’s worse, the ref wouldn’t bother to tell the players why he disallowed the goal. Technically, he’s not required to say why, but he could have done it nonetheless.

I’m not so sure Algeria is weak. The English couldn’t beat them! Team USA can certainly beat Argelia, but it won’t be easy.

[Diego Mamani]

Yes, we were robbed! What’s worse, the ref wouldn’t bother to tell the players why he disallowed the goal. Technically, he’s not required to say why, but he could have done it nonetheless.

I’m not so sure Algeria is weak. The English couldn’t beat them! Team USA can certainly beat Argelia, but it won’t be easy.

[Diego Mamani]

Yes, we were robbed! What’s worse, the ref wouldn’t bother to tell the players why he disallowed the goal. Technically, he’s not required to say why, but he could have done it nonetheless.

I’m not so sure Algeria is weak. The English couldn’t beat them! Team USA can certainly beat Argelia, but it won’t be easy.

[Anonymous]

[quote=kcal09]Unfortunately, there is no instant review and the refs decision is final. The good news is that the US team will face Algeria which is probably the weakest team in the group.[/quote]

How can you do instant replay on a subjective call like a foul? Typical non-thinking American response thinking that technology can fix everything when it can’t.

I’d much rather see foreign practices influence America as a result of this World Cup than vice versa. It just seems like the rest of the world is way ahead of America in common sense. Here in the U.S., we’ve had disaster after disaster (financial crisis, oil environmental disaster, GMO-food contaminating organics, hydraulic fracturing, etc) because we’ve put our common sense aside.

I love in this day and age of nuclear clocks that the game clock in soccer runs at random times and the end of the game is approximated by the ref to the nearest minute or so. I love that when a French commentator was asked on American television about the dispute between a coach and a player the commentator said (in a heavy French accent) ‘the coach told the player to go fuck himself and that he was a son-of-a-bitch’. I guess in France you can cuss on TV without worrying about right-wing Christian nutjobs.

The U.S. could do worse than looking to other countries and their practices. I hope soccer doesn’t lose its soul by adopting ridiculous American practices like instant replay on subjective calls.

[Oxford]

[quote=IForget][quote=kcal09]
The U.S. could do worse than looking to other countries and their practices. I hope soccer doesn’t lose its soul by adopting ridiculous American practices like instant replay on subjective calls.[/quote]

Ok, Where to begin?

So…?

– Soccer soul = accepting incompetent (or bribed) refs
– Using technology to clarify situations = ridiculous American practices

Embracing Third World mentalities is fine for specific cultural rituals like standing in a circle and jumping up and down, but com’on, this is the biggest international sporting event in the world! Shirley, you can push aside the voodoo mask and update the standards. It’s not that hard to get it right.

OX
…cursed

[desmond]

I love how the French team is falling apart and an embarrassment, or just being French. And don’t call me Shirley.

[SD Transplant]

The Cameroon – Denmark game yesterday, Saturday, was the most exciting game yet. It seemed as it was the final….awesome.

got to run…..Brasil-Cote D’Avoire just starting now

[SD Transplant]

The Cameroon – Denmark game yesterday, Saturday, was the most exciting game yet. It seemed as it was the final….awesome.

got to run…..Brasil-Cote D’Avoire just starting now

[SD Transplant]

The Cameroon – Denmark game yesterday, Saturday, was the most exciting game yet. It seemed as it was the final….awesome.

got to run…..Brasil-Cote D’Avoire just starting now

[SD Transplant]

The Cameroon – Denmark game yesterday, Saturday, was the most exciting game yet. It seemed as it was the final….awesome.

got to run…..Brasil-Cote D’Avoire just starting now

[SD Transplant]

The Cameroon – Denmark game yesterday, Saturday, was the most exciting game yet. It seemed as it was the final….awesome.

got to run…..Brasil-Cote D’Avoire just starting now

[desmond]

I love how the French team is falling apart and an embarrassment, or just being French. And don’t call me Shirley.

[desmond]

I love how the French team is falling apart and an embarrassment, or just being French. And don’t call me Shirley.

[desmond]

I love how the French team is falling apart and an embarrassment, or just being French. And don’t call me Shirley.

[desmond]

I love how the French team is falling apart and an embarrassment, or just being French. And don’t call me Shirley.

[Oxford]

[quote=IForget][quote=kcal09]
The U.S. could do worse than looking to other countries and their practices. I hope soccer doesn’t lose its soul by adopting ridiculous American practices like instant replay on subjective calls.[/quote]

Ok, Where to begin?

So…?

– Soccer soul = accepting incompetent (or bribed) refs
– Using technology to clarify situations = ridiculous American practices

Embracing Third World mentalities is fine for specific cultural rituals like standing in a circle and jumping up and down, but com’on, this is the biggest international sporting event in the world! Shirley, you can push aside the voodoo mask and update the standards. It’s not that hard to get it right.

OX
…cursed

[Oxford]

[quote=IForget][quote=kcal09]
The U.S. could do worse than looking to other countries and their practices. I hope soccer doesn’t lose its soul by adopting ridiculous American practices like instant replay on subjective calls.[/quote]

Ok, Where to begin?

So…?

– Soccer soul = accepting incompetent (or bribed) refs
– Using technology to clarify situations = ridiculous American practices

Embracing Third World mentalities is fine for specific cultural rituals like standing in a circle and jumping up and down, but com’on, this is the biggest international sporting event in the world! Shirley, you can push aside the voodoo mask and update the standards. It’s not that hard to get it right.

OX
…cursed

[Oxford]

[quote=IForget][quote=kcal09]
The U.S. could do worse than looking to other countries and their practices. I hope soccer doesn’t lose its soul by adopting ridiculous American practices like instant replay on subjective calls.[/quote]

Ok, Where to begin?

So…?

– Soccer soul = accepting incompetent (or bribed) refs
– Using technology to clarify situations = ridiculous American practices

Embracing Third World mentalities is fine for specific cultural rituals like standing in a circle and jumping up and down, but com’on, this is the biggest international sporting event in the world! Shirley, you can push aside the voodoo mask and update the standards. It’s not that hard to get it right.

OX
…cursed

[Oxford]

[quote=IForget][quote=kcal09]
The U.S. could do worse than looking to other countries and their practices. I hope soccer doesn’t lose its soul by adopting ridiculous American practices like instant replay on subjective calls.[/quote]

Ok, Where to begin?

So…?

– Soccer soul = accepting incompetent (or bribed) refs
– Using technology to clarify situations = ridiculous American practices

Embracing Third World mentalities is fine for specific cultural rituals like standing in a circle and jumping up and down, but com’on, this is the biggest international sporting event in the world! Shirley, you can push aside the voodoo mask and update the standards. It’s not that hard to get it right.

OX
…cursed

[34f3f3f]

I’m not up on the technical aspects of instant replay etc, but if this had been a final, and a team that clearly played a better game had a goal disallowed, losing the game, mightn’t that be cause for concern? Anyway, I’m not going to let it spoil my entertainment of the biggest global sporting event. Good luck Algeria, good luck US!

[afx114]

I hope soccer doesn’t lose its soul by adopting ridiculous American practices like clocks that count down.

[briansd1]

You know that they say about football, err soccer… it’s an un-American socialist sport. Jack Kemp said so. Google it.

[34f3f3f]

The spirit of the world cup is that national differences are put aside. It’s egalitarianism on a global scale, so yes I guess we are all communists or whatever for the duration.

Historically, I believe football (soccer) was the original game played in the US. However, Harvard didn’t like the rules, so adapted rules from Rugby, to create what has become a hybrid game. They just didn’t change the name. So much money invested in US football is probably what has kept top athletes out of soccer.

I missed most of the Brazil vs CI game. US to face Algeria.

[34f3f3f]

The spirit of the world cup is that national differences are put aside. It’s egalitarianism on a global scale, so yes I guess we are all communists or whatever for the duration.

Historically, I believe football (soccer) was the original game played in the US. However, Harvard didn’t like the rules, so adapted rules from Rugby, to create what has become a hybrid game. They just didn’t change the name. So much money invested in US football is probably what has kept top athletes out of soccer.

I missed most of the Brazil vs CI game. US to face Algeria.

[34f3f3f]

The spirit of the world cup is that national differences are put aside. It’s egalitarianism on a global scale, so yes I guess we are all communists or whatever for the duration.

Historically, I believe football (soccer) was the original game played in the US. However, Harvard didn’t like the rules, so adapted rules from Rugby, to create what has become a hybrid game. They just didn’t change the name. So much money invested in US football is probably what has kept top athletes out of soccer.

I missed most of the Brazil vs CI game. US to face Algeria.

[34f3f3f]

The spirit of the world cup is that national differences are put aside. It’s egalitarianism on a global scale, so yes I guess we are all communists or whatever for the duration.

Historically, I believe football (soccer) was the original game played in the US. However, Harvard didn’t like the rules, so adapted rules from Rugby, to create what has become a hybrid game. They just didn’t change the name. So much money invested in US football is probably what has kept top athletes out of soccer.

I missed most of the Brazil vs CI game. US to face Algeria.

[34f3f3f]

The spirit of the world cup is that national differences are put aside. It’s egalitarianism on a global scale, so yes I guess we are all communists or whatever for the duration.

Historically, I believe football (soccer) was the original game played in the US. However, Harvard didn’t like the rules, so adapted rules from Rugby, to create what has become a hybrid game. They just didn’t change the name. So much money invested in US football is probably what has kept top athletes out of soccer.

I missed most of the Brazil vs CI game. US to face Algeria.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=briansd1]You know that they say about football, err soccer… it’s an un-American socialist sport. Jack Kemp said so. Google it.[/quote]

Uh..time to throw a flag.

[weberlin]

[quote=sdrealtor][quote=briansd1]You know that they say about football, err soccer… it’s an un-American socialist sport. Jack Kemp said so. Google it.[/quote]

Uh..time to throw a flag.[/quote]

Seriously. Didn’t Rich T. made a personal appearance on the forums to admonish user(s) about political thread jacking?

What does Jack Kemp have to do with the USA v. Slovenia World Cup match in 2010?

[Zeitgeist]

Amen. Throwing the old flag on Brian who obviously wants to start another anti-American rant. Rich, he’s doing it again. Go USA!

[briansd1]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Amen. Throwing the old flag on Brian who obviously wants to start another anti-American rant. Rich, he’s doing it again. Go USA![/quote]

What did I do?

Jack Kemp, a former American-football player, thinks that football is socialist un-American.

Why would that start an anti-American rant?

I believe that Jack Kemp was being very pro-American in his own way.

[briansd1]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Amen. Throwing the old flag on Brian who obviously wants to start another anti-American rant. Rich, he’s doing it again. Go USA![/quote]

What did I do?

Jack Kemp, a former American-football player, thinks that football is socialist un-American.

Why would that start an anti-American rant?

I believe that Jack Kemp was being very pro-American in his own way.

[briansd1]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Amen. Throwing the old flag on Brian who obviously wants to start another anti-American rant. Rich, he’s doing it again. Go USA![/quote]

What did I do?

Jack Kemp, a former American-football player, thinks that football is socialist un-American.

Why would that start an anti-American rant?

I believe that Jack Kemp was being very pro-American in his own way.

[briansd1]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Amen. Throwing the old flag on Brian who obviously wants to start another anti-American rant. Rich, he’s doing it again. Go USA![/quote]

What did I do?

Jack Kemp, a former American-football player, thinks that football is socialist un-American.

Why would that start an anti-American rant?

I believe that Jack Kemp was being very pro-American in his own way.

[briansd1]

[quote=Zeitgeist]Amen. Throwing the old flag on Brian who obviously wants to start another anti-American rant. Rich, he’s doing it again. Go USA![/quote]

What did I do?

Jack Kemp, a former American-football player, thinks that football is socialist un-American.

Why would that start an anti-American rant?

I believe that Jack Kemp was being very pro-American in his own way.

[Zeitgeist]

Amen. Throwing the old flag on Brian who obviously wants to start another anti-American rant. Rich, he’s doing it again. Go USA!

[Zeitgeist]

Amen. Throwing the old flag on Brian who obviously wants to start another anti-American rant. Rich, he’s doing it again. Go USA!

[Zeitgeist]

Amen. Throwing the old flag on Brian who obviously wants to start another anti-American rant. Rich, he’s doing it again. Go USA!

[Zeitgeist]

Amen. Throwing the old flag on Brian who obviously wants to start another anti-American rant. Rich, he’s doing it again. Go USA!

[weberlin]

[quote=sdrealtor][quote=briansd1]You know that they say about football, err soccer… it’s an un-American socialist sport. Jack Kemp said so. Google it.[/quote]

Uh..time to throw a flag.[/quote]

Seriously. Didn’t Rich T. made a personal appearance on the forums to admonish user(s) about political thread jacking?

What does Jack Kemp have to do with the USA v. Slovenia World Cup match in 2010?

[weberlin]

[quote=sdrealtor][quote=briansd1]You know that they say about football, err soccer… it’s an un-American socialist sport. Jack Kemp said so. Google it.[/quote]

Uh..time to throw a flag.[/quote]

Seriously. Didn’t Rich T. made a personal appearance on the forums to admonish user(s) about political thread jacking?

What does Jack Kemp have to do with the USA v. Slovenia World Cup match in 2010?

[weberlin]

[quote=sdrealtor][quote=briansd1]You know that they say about football, err soccer… it’s an un-American socialist sport. Jack Kemp said so. Google it.[/quote]

Uh..time to throw a flag.[/quote]

Seriously. Didn’t Rich T. made a personal appearance on the forums to admonish user(s) about political thread jacking?

What does Jack Kemp have to do with the USA v. Slovenia World Cup match in 2010?

[weberlin]

[quote=sdrealtor][quote=briansd1]You know that they say about football, err soccer… it’s an un-American socialist sport. Jack Kemp said so. Google it.[/quote]

Uh..time to throw a flag.[/quote]

Seriously. Didn’t Rich T. made a personal appearance on the forums to admonish user(s) about political thread jacking?

What does Jack Kemp have to do with the USA v. Slovenia World Cup match in 2010?

[sdrealtor]

[quote=briansd1]You know that they say about football, err soccer… it’s an un-American socialist sport. Jack Kemp said so. Google it.[/quote]

Uh..time to throw a flag.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=briansd1]You know that they say about football, err soccer… it’s an un-American socialist sport. Jack Kemp said so. Google it.[/quote]

Uh..time to throw a flag.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=briansd1]You know that they say about football, err soccer… it’s an un-American socialist sport. Jack Kemp said so. Google it.[/quote]

Uh..time to throw a flag.

[sdrealtor]

[quote=briansd1]You know that they say about football, err soccer… it’s an un-American socialist sport. Jack Kemp said so. Google it.[/quote]

Uh..time to throw a flag.

[briansd1]

You know that they say about football, err soccer… it’s an un-American socialist sport. Jack Kemp said so. Google it.

[briansd1]

You know that they say about football, err soccer… it’s an un-American socialist sport. Jack Kemp said so. Google it.

[briansd1]

You know that they say about football, err soccer… it’s an un-American socialist sport. Jack Kemp said so. Google it.

[briansd1]

You know that they say about football, err soccer… it’s an un-American socialist sport. Jack Kemp said so. Google it.

[afx114]

I hope soccer doesn’t lose its soul by adopting ridiculous American practices like clocks that count down.

[afx114]

I hope soccer doesn’t lose its soul by adopting ridiculous American practices like clocks that count down.

[afx114]

I hope soccer doesn’t lose its soul by adopting ridiculous American practices like clocks that count down.

[afx114]

I hope soccer doesn’t lose its soul by adopting ridiculous American practices like clocks that count down.

[all]

[quote=qwerty007]I’m not up on the technical aspects of instant replay etc, but if this had been a final, and a team that clearly played a better game had a goal disallowed, losing the game, mightn’t that be cause for concern? Anyway, I’m not going to let it spoil my entertainment of the biggest global sporting event. Good luck Algeria, good luck US![/quote]

It’s part of the game. I believe UEFA did experiments with instant reply, but it affects the flow of the game.

Worse oversights have happened before against countries with more influence with FIFA – like Maradona’s hand of God. It’s a goal if the ref says so (and vice versa).

[afx114]

Soccer needs to implement a diving penalty like hockey. I’ve never seen so many arms to the mid-section afflict the face! If anything is affecting the flow of the game it is all of the pathetic divers attempting to draw a penalty.

[desmond]

[quote=afx114]Soccer needs to implement a diving penalty like hockey. I’ve never seen so many arms to the mid-section afflict the face! If anything is affecting the flow of the game it is all of the pathetic divers attempting to draw a penalty.[/quote]

I saw a yellow card today (Chile vs Switz) on a dive (flop), so they must have it. I am not an expert, but I have seen so many missed goals, easy goals according to the announcer, at crucial moments.

[CardiffBaseball]

I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.

[all]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]

It’s hard to keep the flow or even retain the control of the ball if someone is pushing, pulling or hitting you. There are sports, like handball (one with 6+1 players and no wall involved), that are much more physical and still fairly popular.

[DWCAP]

[quote=captcha][quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]

It’s hard to keep the flow or even retain the control of the ball if someone is pushing, pulling or hitting you. There are sports, like handball (one with 6+1 players and no wall involved), that are much more physical and still fairly popular.[/quote]

Well, that is kinda the point. If they are putting a hip into you that is totally legal, and yet gets you off the ball. If I trip you or hit you (hard) then I should get called as this isnt MMA. But I totally agree with Cardiff on this one, and I have played/watched soccer all my life.

But, on the other hand, it is a very large field for a ref to try to be everywhere at once. They need to open the ref’s up to questions after the game is my suggestion. They should be forced to tell people what they called in the questionable plays. People would start demanding better refs, and have a way to figure out who is the better ref after a while.

BTW, the only fouls I noticed on that rejected US goal were against the other team. One US player was in a head lock, the other in a bear hug. How the HELL did he miss those? Ref’s need to be forced to explain themselves. Maybe from his point of view he though he saw something, and without the advantage of multiview slow motion he was just SOL. Ill accept that. I wont accept the ‘my shit dont stink’ kinda attitude they have currently.

[sunny88]

The same happened today during the Chile-Switzerland match where the ref sent off a Swiss player after he tried to fend off an aggressive opponent who acted like he was hit in his face. It was a ridiculous call of an incompetent ref.

[sunny88]

The same happened today during the Chile-Switzerland match where the ref sent off a Swiss player after he tried to fend off an aggressive opponent who acted like he was hit in his face. It was a ridiculous call of an incompetent ref.

[sunny88]

The same happened today during the Chile-Switzerland match where the ref sent off a Swiss player after he tried to fend off an aggressive opponent who acted like he was hit in his face. It was a ridiculous call of an incompetent ref.

[sunny88]

The same happened today during the Chile-Switzerland match where the ref sent off a Swiss player after he tried to fend off an aggressive opponent who acted like he was hit in his face. It was a ridiculous call of an incompetent ref.

[sunny88]

The same happened today during the Chile-Switzerland match where the ref sent off a Swiss player after he tried to fend off an aggressive opponent who acted like he was hit in his face. It was a ridiculous call of an incompetent ref.

[DWCAP]

[quote=captcha][quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]

It’s hard to keep the flow or even retain the control of the ball if someone is pushing, pulling or hitting you. There are sports, like handball (one with 6+1 players and no wall involved), that are much more physical and still fairly popular.[/quote]

Well, that is kinda the point. If they are putting a hip into you that is totally legal, and yet gets you off the ball. If I trip you or hit you (hard) then I should get called as this isnt MMA. But I totally agree with Cardiff on this one, and I have played/watched soccer all my life.

But, on the other hand, it is a very large field for a ref to try to be everywhere at once. They need to open the ref’s up to questions after the game is my suggestion. They should be forced to tell people what they called in the questionable plays. People would start demanding better refs, and have a way to figure out who is the better ref after a while.

BTW, the only fouls I noticed on that rejected US goal were against the other team. One US player was in a head lock, the other in a bear hug. How the HELL did he miss those? Ref’s need to be forced to explain themselves. Maybe from his point of view he though he saw something, and without the advantage of multiview slow motion he was just SOL. Ill accept that. I wont accept the ‘my shit dont stink’ kinda attitude they have currently.

[DWCAP]

[quote=captcha][quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]

It’s hard to keep the flow or even retain the control of the ball if someone is pushing, pulling or hitting you. There are sports, like handball (one with 6+1 players and no wall involved), that are much more physical and still fairly popular.[/quote]

Well, that is kinda the point. If they are putting a hip into you that is totally legal, and yet gets you off the ball. If I trip you or hit you (hard) then I should get called as this isnt MMA. But I totally agree with Cardiff on this one, and I have played/watched soccer all my life.

But, on the other hand, it is a very large field for a ref to try to be everywhere at once. They need to open the ref’s up to questions after the game is my suggestion. They should be forced to tell people what they called in the questionable plays. People would start demanding better refs, and have a way to figure out who is the better ref after a while.

BTW, the only fouls I noticed on that rejected US goal were against the other team. One US player was in a head lock, the other in a bear hug. How the HELL did he miss those? Ref’s need to be forced to explain themselves. Maybe from his point of view he though he saw something, and without the advantage of multiview slow motion he was just SOL. Ill accept that. I wont accept the ‘my shit dont stink’ kinda attitude they have currently.

[DWCAP]

[quote=captcha][quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]

It’s hard to keep the flow or even retain the control of the ball if someone is pushing, pulling or hitting you. There are sports, like handball (one with 6+1 players and no wall involved), that are much more physical and still fairly popular.[/quote]

Well, that is kinda the point. If they are putting a hip into you that is totally legal, and yet gets you off the ball. If I trip you or hit you (hard) then I should get called as this isnt MMA. But I totally agree with Cardiff on this one, and I have played/watched soccer all my life.

But, on the other hand, it is a very large field for a ref to try to be everywhere at once. They need to open the ref’s up to questions after the game is my suggestion. They should be forced to tell people what they called in the questionable plays. People would start demanding better refs, and have a way to figure out who is the better ref after a while.

BTW, the only fouls I noticed on that rejected US goal were against the other team. One US player was in a head lock, the other in a bear hug. How the HELL did he miss those? Ref’s need to be forced to explain themselves. Maybe from his point of view he though he saw something, and without the advantage of multiview slow motion he was just SOL. Ill accept that. I wont accept the ‘my shit dont stink’ kinda attitude they have currently.

[DWCAP]

[quote=captcha][quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]

It’s hard to keep the flow or even retain the control of the ball if someone is pushing, pulling or hitting you. There are sports, like handball (one with 6+1 players and no wall involved), that are much more physical and still fairly popular.[/quote]

Well, that is kinda the point. If they are putting a hip into you that is totally legal, and yet gets you off the ball. If I trip you or hit you (hard) then I should get called as this isnt MMA. But I totally agree with Cardiff on this one, and I have played/watched soccer all my life.

But, on the other hand, it is a very large field for a ref to try to be everywhere at once. They need to open the ref’s up to questions after the game is my suggestion. They should be forced to tell people what they called in the questionable plays. People would start demanding better refs, and have a way to figure out who is the better ref after a while.

BTW, the only fouls I noticed on that rejected US goal were against the other team. One US player was in a head lock, the other in a bear hug. How the HELL did he miss those? Ref’s need to be forced to explain themselves. Maybe from his point of view he though he saw something, and without the advantage of multiview slow motion he was just SOL. Ill accept that. I wont accept the ‘my shit dont stink’ kinda attitude they have currently.

[all]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]

It’s hard to keep the flow or even retain the control of the ball if someone is pushing, pulling or hitting you. There are sports, like handball (one with 6+1 players and no wall involved), that are much more physical and still fairly popular.

[all]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]

It’s hard to keep the flow or even retain the control of the ball if someone is pushing, pulling or hitting you. There are sports, like handball (one with 6+1 players and no wall involved), that are much more physical and still fairly popular.

[all]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]

It’s hard to keep the flow or even retain the control of the ball if someone is pushing, pulling or hitting you. There are sports, like handball (one with 6+1 players and no wall involved), that are much more physical and still fairly popular.

[all]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]

It’s hard to keep the flow or even retain the control of the ball if someone is pushing, pulling or hitting you. There are sports, like handball (one with 6+1 players and no wall involved), that are much more physical and still fairly popular.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]

You are both right and wrong here. The thing about soccer is that there are no pads. Until you have been kicked in the ankle, elbowed in the head, kicked in the face, or tripped running full-speed without any pads on, you have no idea how much it hurts.

The acting, of course, is prevalent and annoying.

The real pain of getting fouled is why the acting works – because when you do get fouled, it hurts like a motherF(*&er. Even the slightest bone-to-bone touches are painful. Go ahead and kick a friend in the shin with your shin and see if you don’t wince a bit.

I think a great solution to all this would be retroactive changes to yellow cards based on replays. This could be done during the game, at half-time, and/or after the game. Retracting yellow and red cards on players who received them but did not really foul, and giving yellow cards to the actors. Wouldn’t affect the game, but it would provide significant and appropriate dis-incentive.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]

You are both right and wrong here. The thing about soccer is that there are no pads. Until you have been kicked in the ankle, elbowed in the head, kicked in the face, or tripped running full-speed without any pads on, you have no idea how much it hurts.

The acting, of course, is prevalent and annoying.

The real pain of getting fouled is why the acting works – because when you do get fouled, it hurts like a motherF(*&er. Even the slightest bone-to-bone touches are painful. Go ahead and kick a friend in the shin with your shin and see if you don’t wince a bit.

I think a great solution to all this would be retroactive changes to yellow cards based on replays. This could be done during the game, at half-time, and/or after the game. Retracting yellow and red cards on players who received them but did not really foul, and giving yellow cards to the actors. Wouldn’t affect the game, but it would provide significant and appropriate dis-incentive.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]

You are both right and wrong here. The thing about soccer is that there are no pads. Until you have been kicked in the ankle, elbowed in the head, kicked in the face, or tripped running full-speed without any pads on, you have no idea how much it hurts.

The acting, of course, is prevalent and annoying.

The real pain of getting fouled is why the acting works – because when you do get fouled, it hurts like a motherF(*&er. Even the slightest bone-to-bone touches are painful. Go ahead and kick a friend in the shin with your shin and see if you don’t wince a bit.

I think a great solution to all this would be retroactive changes to yellow cards based on replays. This could be done during the game, at half-time, and/or after the game. Retracting yellow and red cards on players who received them but did not really foul, and giving yellow cards to the actors. Wouldn’t affect the game, but it would provide significant and appropriate dis-incentive.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]

You are both right and wrong here. The thing about soccer is that there are no pads. Until you have been kicked in the ankle, elbowed in the head, kicked in the face, or tripped running full-speed without any pads on, you have no idea how much it hurts.

The acting, of course, is prevalent and annoying.

The real pain of getting fouled is why the acting works – because when you do get fouled, it hurts like a motherF(*&er. Even the slightest bone-to-bone touches are painful. Go ahead and kick a friend in the shin with your shin and see if you don’t wince a bit.

I think a great solution to all this would be retroactive changes to yellow cards based on replays. This could be done during the game, at half-time, and/or after the game. Retracting yellow and red cards on players who received them but did not really foul, and giving yellow cards to the actors. Wouldn’t affect the game, but it would provide significant and appropriate dis-incentive.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.[/quote]

You are both right and wrong here. The thing about soccer is that there are no pads. Until you have been kicked in the ankle, elbowed in the head, kicked in the face, or tripped running full-speed without any pads on, you have no idea how much it hurts.

The acting, of course, is prevalent and annoying.

The real pain of getting fouled is why the acting works – because when you do get fouled, it hurts like a motherF(*&er. Even the slightest bone-to-bone touches are painful. Go ahead and kick a friend in the shin with your shin and see if you don’t wince a bit.

I think a great solution to all this would be retroactive changes to yellow cards based on replays. This could be done during the game, at half-time, and/or after the game. Retracting yellow and red cards on players who received them but did not really foul, and giving yellow cards to the actors. Wouldn’t affect the game, but it would provide significant and appropriate dis-incentive.

[CardiffBaseball]

I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.

[CardiffBaseball]

I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.

[CardiffBaseball]

I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.

[CardiffBaseball]

I take back everything I said about Pau Gasol being a puss.

I watched more soccer yesterday as I was forced to at BJ’s with the direction I was sitting.

As an ugly-american I am going to speak for all americans. If the world ever wants us to love this sport, these grown men better grow a pair and quit acting like ballerina’s when they get touched. It’s disgusting to see men act this way.

If you’ve never laced up football pads you cannot possibly imagine how violent the contact is. Yet, running backs often take the contact and keep playing through it. Yes that is part of the game, but that is WHAT WE LOVE. We love seeing Bo Jackson blast through Bosworth, not seeing some sissy flopper flail about trying to draw a yellow card. This is a country who appreciates MMA fighters, and standing tall not tail between the legs guys trying to get one over on the officials. I’d like to see the US do well, but man I hope our guys don’t act this.

[Ash Housewares]

[quote=desmond][quote=afx114]Soccer needs to implement a diving penalty like hockey. I’ve never seen so many arms to the mid-section afflict the face! If anything is affecting the flow of the game it is all of the pathetic divers attempting to draw a penalty.[/quote]

I saw a yellow card today (Chile vs Switz) on a dive (flop), so they must have it. I am not an expert, but I have seen so many missed goals, easy goals according to the announcer, at crucial moments.[/quote]

Diving is already a penalty and will get you a yellowcard if caught. Refs aren’t dumb, they just sometimes are not in the right spot. If they suspect you of diving but can’t see it clearly enough to yellowcard you, they may still make a mental note that you’re not to be trusted and then even legitimate fouls won’t be called. I would like to see coaches get challenges like in the NFL for when an opposing player dives.

[Ash Housewares]

[quote=desmond][quote=afx114]Soccer needs to implement a diving penalty like hockey. I’ve never seen so many arms to the mid-section afflict the face! If anything is affecting the flow of the game it is all of the pathetic divers attempting to draw a penalty.[/quote]

I saw a yellow card today (Chile vs Switz) on a dive (flop), so they must have it. I am not an expert, but I have seen so many missed goals, easy goals according to the announcer, at crucial moments.[/quote]

Diving is already a penalty and will get you a yellowcard if caught. Refs aren’t dumb, they just sometimes are not in the right spot. If they suspect you of diving but can’t see it clearly enough to yellowcard you, they may still make a mental note that you’re not to be trusted and then even legitimate fouls won’t be called. I would like to see coaches get challenges like in the NFL for when an opposing player dives.

[Ash Housewares]

[quote=desmond][quote=afx114]Soccer needs to implement a diving penalty like hockey. I’ve never seen so many arms to the mid-section afflict the face! If anything is affecting the flow of the game it is all of the pathetic divers attempting to draw a penalty.[/quote]

I saw a yellow card today (Chile vs Switz) on a dive (flop), so they must have it. I am not an expert, but I have seen so many missed goals, easy goals according to the announcer, at crucial moments.[/quote]

Diving is already a penalty and will get you a yellowcard if caught. Refs aren’t dumb, they just sometimes are not in the right spot. If they suspect you of diving but can’t see it clearly enough to yellowcard you, they may still make a mental note that you’re not to be trusted and then even legitimate fouls won’t be called. I would like to see coaches get challenges like in the NFL for when an opposing player dives.

[Ash Housewares]

[quote=desmond][quote=afx114]Soccer needs to implement a diving penalty like hockey. I’ve never seen so many arms to the mid-section afflict the face! If anything is affecting the flow of the game it is all of the pathetic divers attempting to draw a penalty.[/quote]

I saw a yellow card today (Chile vs Switz) on a dive (flop), so they must have it. I am not an expert, but I have seen so many missed goals, easy goals according to the announcer, at crucial moments.[/quote]

Diving is already a penalty and will get you a yellowcard if caught. Refs aren’t dumb, they just sometimes are not in the right spot. If they suspect you of diving but can’t see it clearly enough to yellowcard you, they may still make a mental note that you’re not to be trusted and then even legitimate fouls won’t be called. I would like to see coaches get challenges like in the NFL for when an opposing player dives.

[Ash Housewares]

[quote=desmond][quote=afx114]Soccer needs to implement a diving penalty like hockey. I’ve never seen so many arms to the mid-section afflict the face! If anything is affecting the flow of the game it is all of the pathetic divers attempting to draw a penalty.[/quote]

I saw a yellow card today (Chile vs Switz) on a dive (flop), so they must have it. I am not an expert, but I have seen so many missed goals, easy goals according to the announcer, at crucial moments.[/quote]

Diving is already a penalty and will get you a yellowcard if caught. Refs aren’t dumb, they just sometimes are not in the right spot. If they suspect you of diving but can’t see it clearly enough to yellowcard you, they may still make a mental note that you’re not to be trusted and then even legitimate fouls won’t be called. I would like to see coaches get challenges like in the NFL for when an opposing player dives.

[desmond]

[quote=afx114]Soccer needs to implement a diving penalty like hockey. I’ve never seen so many arms to the mid-section afflict the face! If anything is affecting the flow of the game it is all of the pathetic divers attempting to draw a penalty.[/quote]

I saw a yellow card today (Chile vs Switz) on a dive (flop), so they must have it. I am not an expert, but I have seen so many missed goals, easy goals according to the announcer, at crucial moments.

[desmond]

[quote=afx114]Soccer needs to implement a diving penalty like hockey. I’ve never seen so many arms to the mid-section afflict the face! If anything is affecting the flow of the game it is all of the pathetic divers attempting to draw a penalty.[/quote]

I saw a yellow card today (Chile vs Switz) on a dive (flop), so they must have it. I am not an expert, but I have seen so many missed goals, easy goals according to the announcer, at crucial moments.

[desmond]

[quote=afx114]Soccer needs to implement a diving penalty like hockey. I’ve never seen so many arms to the mid-section afflict the face! If anything is affecting the flow of the game it is all of the pathetic divers attempting to draw a penalty.[/quote]

I saw a yellow card today (Chile vs Switz) on a dive (flop), so they must have it. I am not an expert, but I have seen so many missed goals, easy goals according to the announcer, at crucial moments.

[desmond]

[quote=afx114]Soccer needs to implement a diving penalty like hockey. I’ve never seen so many arms to the mid-section afflict the face! If anything is affecting the flow of the game it is all of the pathetic divers attempting to draw a penalty.[/quote]

I saw a yellow card today (Chile vs Switz) on a dive (flop), so they must have it. I am not an expert, but I have seen so many missed goals, easy goals according to the announcer, at crucial moments.

[afx114]

Soccer needs to implement a diving penalty like hockey. I’ve never seen so many arms to the mid-section afflict the face! If anything is affecting the flow of the game it is all of the pathetic divers attempting to draw a penalty.

[afx114]

Soccer needs to implement a diving penalty like hockey. I’ve never seen so many arms to the mid-section afflict the face! If anything is affecting the flow of the game it is all of the pathetic divers attempting to draw a penalty.

[afx114]

Soccer needs to implement a diving penalty like hockey. I’ve never seen so many arms to the mid-section afflict the face! If anything is affecting the flow of the game it is all of the pathetic divers attempting to draw a penalty.

[afx114]

Soccer needs to implement a diving penalty like hockey. I’ve never seen so many arms to the mid-section afflict the face! If anything is affecting the flow of the game it is all of the pathetic divers attempting to draw a penalty.

[natty]

[quote=captcha][quote=qwerty007]I’m not up on the technical aspects of instant replay etc, but if this had been a final, and a team that clearly played a better game had a goal disallowed, losing the game, mightn’t that be cause for concern? Anyway, I’m not going to let it spoil my entertainment of the biggest global sporting event. Good luck Algeria, good luck US![/quote]

It’s part of the game. I believe UEFA did experiments with instant reply, but it affects the flow of the game.

Worse oversights have happened before against countries with more influence with FIFA – like Maradona’s hand of God. It’s a goal if the ref says so (and vice versa).[/quote]

-lying on the field with or without contact is not part of the game either. This practice has steadily evolved/increased as it has been allowed over the past 20-30 years.
-measuring weight of past errors, does not provide backbone for future errors.
-while both US goals disallowed are in serious question, both are within the scope of current game. It’s a non issue. The US team have far more problems.
-The ‘flow’ of game is highly subjective. Running clock provides an illusion of no interruptions.
-instant replay on goal situations only would be an improvement of game

[natty]

[quote=captcha][quote=qwerty007]I’m not up on the technical aspects of instant replay etc, but if this had been a final, and a team that clearly played a better game had a goal disallowed, losing the game, mightn’t that be cause for concern? Anyway, I’m not going to let it spoil my entertainment of the biggest global sporting event. Good luck Algeria, good luck US![/quote]

It’s part of the game. I believe UEFA did experiments with instant reply, but it affects the flow of the game.

Worse oversights have happened before against countries with more influence with FIFA – like Maradona’s hand of God. It’s a goal if the ref says so (and vice versa).[/quote]

-lying on the field with or without contact is not part of the game either. This practice has steadily evolved/increased as it has been allowed over the past 20-30 years.
-measuring weight of past errors, does not provide backbone for future errors.
-while both US goals disallowed are in serious question, both are within the scope of current game. It’s a non issue. The US team have far more problems.
-The ‘flow’ of game is highly subjective. Running clock provides an illusion of no interruptions.
-instant replay on goal situations only would be an improvement of game

[natty]

[quote=captcha][quote=qwerty007]I’m not up on the technical aspects of instant replay etc, but if this had been a final, and a team that clearly played a better game had a goal disallowed, losing the game, mightn’t that be cause for concern? Anyway, I’m not going to let it spoil my entertainment of the biggest global sporting event. Good luck Algeria, good luck US![/quote]

It’s part of the game. I believe UEFA did experiments with instant reply, but it affects the flow of the game.

Worse oversights have happened before against countries with more influence with FIFA – like Maradona’s hand of God. It’s a goal if the ref says so (and vice versa).[/quote]

-lying on the field with or without contact is not part of the game either. This practice has steadily evolved/increased as it has been allowed over the past 20-30 years.
-measuring weight of past errors, does not provide backbone for future errors.
-while both US goals disallowed are in serious question, both are within the scope of current game. It’s a non issue. The US team have far more problems.
-The ‘flow’ of game is highly subjective. Running clock provides an illusion of no interruptions.
-instant replay on goal situations only would be an improvement of game

[natty]

[quote=captcha][quote=qwerty007]I’m not up on the technical aspects of instant replay etc, but if this had been a final, and a team that clearly played a better game had a goal disallowed, losing the game, mightn’t that be cause for concern? Anyway, I’m not going to let it spoil my entertainment of the biggest global sporting event. Good luck Algeria, good luck US![/quote]

It’s part of the game. I believe UEFA did experiments with instant reply, but it affects the flow of the game.

Worse oversights have happened before against countries with more influence with FIFA – like Maradona’s hand of God. It’s a goal if the ref says so (and vice versa).[/quote]

-lying on the field with or without contact is not part of the game either. This practice has steadily evolved/increased as it has been allowed over the past 20-30 years.
-measuring weight of past errors, does not provide backbone for future errors.
-while both US goals disallowed are in serious question, both are within the scope of current game. It’s a non issue. The US team have far more problems.
-The ‘flow’ of game is highly subjective. Running clock provides an illusion of no interruptions.
-instant replay on goal situations only would be an improvement of game

[natty]

[quote=captcha][quote=qwerty007]I’m not up on the technical aspects of instant replay etc, but if this had been a final, and a team that clearly played a better game had a goal disallowed, losing the game, mightn’t that be cause for concern? Anyway, I’m not going to let it spoil my entertainment of the biggest global sporting event. Good luck Algeria, good luck US![/quote]

It’s part of the game. I believe UEFA did experiments with instant reply, but it affects the flow of the game.

Worse oversights have happened before against countries with more influence with FIFA – like Maradona’s hand of God. It’s a goal if the ref says so (and vice versa).[/quote]

-lying on the field with or without contact is not part of the game either. This practice has steadily evolved/increased as it has been allowed over the past 20-30 years.
-measuring weight of past errors, does not provide backbone for future errors.
-while both US goals disallowed are in serious question, both are within the scope of current game. It’s a non issue. The US team have far more problems.
-The ‘flow’ of game is highly subjective. Running clock provides an illusion of no interruptions.
-instant replay on goal situations only would be an improvement of game

[all]

[quote=qwerty007]I’m not up on the technical aspects of instant replay etc, but if this had been a final, and a team that clearly played a better game had a goal disallowed, losing the game, mightn’t that be cause for concern? Anyway, I’m not going to let it spoil my entertainment of the biggest global sporting event. Good luck Algeria, good luck US![/quote]

It’s part of the game. I believe UEFA did experiments with instant reply, but it affects the flow of the game.

Worse oversights have happened before against countries with more influence with FIFA – like Maradona’s hand of God. It’s a goal if the ref says so (and vice versa).

[all]

[quote=qwerty007]I’m not up on the technical aspects of instant replay etc, but if this had been a final, and a team that clearly played a better game had a goal disallowed, losing the game, mightn’t that be cause for concern? Anyway, I’m not going to let it spoil my entertainment of the biggest global sporting event. Good luck Algeria, good luck US![/quote]

It’s part of the game. I believe UEFA did experiments with instant reply, but it affects the flow of the game.

Worse oversights have happened before against countries with more influence with FIFA – like Maradona’s hand of God. It’s a goal if the ref says so (and vice versa).

[all]

[quote=qwerty007]I’m not up on the technical aspects of instant replay etc, but if this had been a final, and a team that clearly played a better game had a goal disallowed, losing the game, mightn’t that be cause for concern? Anyway, I’m not going to let it spoil my entertainment of the biggest global sporting event. Good luck Algeria, good luck US![/quote]

It’s part of the game. I believe UEFA did experiments with instant reply, but it affects the flow of the game.

Worse oversights have happened before against countries with more influence with FIFA – like Maradona’s hand of God. It’s a goal if the ref says so (and vice versa).

[all]

[quote=qwerty007]I’m not up on the technical aspects of instant replay etc, but if this had been a final, and a team that clearly played a better game had a goal disallowed, losing the game, mightn’t that be cause for concern? Anyway, I’m not going to let it spoil my entertainment of the biggest global sporting event. Good luck Algeria, good luck US![/quote]

It’s part of the game. I believe UEFA did experiments with instant reply, but it affects the flow of the game.

Worse oversights have happened before against countries with more influence with FIFA – like Maradona’s hand of God. It’s a goal if the ref says so (and vice versa).

[34f3f3f]

I’m not up on the technical aspects of instant replay etc, but if this had been a final, and a team that clearly played a better game had a goal disallowed, losing the game, mightn’t that be cause for concern? Anyway, I’m not going to let it spoil my entertainment of the biggest global sporting event. Good luck Algeria, good luck US!

[34f3f3f]

I’m not up on the technical aspects of instant replay etc, but if this had been a final, and a team that clearly played a better game had a goal disallowed, losing the game, mightn’t that be cause for concern? Anyway, I’m not going to let it spoil my entertainment of the biggest global sporting event. Good luck Algeria, good luck US!

[34f3f3f]

I’m not up on the technical aspects of instant replay etc, but if this had been a final, and a team that clearly played a better game had a goal disallowed, losing the game, mightn’t that be cause for concern? Anyway, I’m not going to let it spoil my entertainment of the biggest global sporting event. Good luck Algeria, good luck US!

[34f3f3f]

I’m not up on the technical aspects of instant replay etc, but if this had been a final, and a team that clearly played a better game had a goal disallowed, losing the game, mightn’t that be cause for concern? Anyway, I’m not going to let it spoil my entertainment of the biggest global sporting event. Good luck Algeria, good luck US!

[Anonymous]

[quote=kcal09]Unfortunately, there is no instant review and the refs decision is final. The good news is that the US team will face Algeria which is probably the weakest team in the group.[/quote]

How can you do instant replay on a subjective call like a foul? Typical non-thinking American response thinking that technology can fix everything when it can’t.

I’d much rather see foreign practices influence America as a result of this World Cup than vice versa. It just seems like the rest of the world is way ahead of America in common sense. Here in the U.S., we’ve had disaster after disaster (financial crisis, oil environmental disaster, GMO-food contaminating organics, hydraulic fracturing, etc) because we’ve put our common sense aside.

I love in this day and age of nuclear clocks that the game clock in soccer runs at random times and the end of the game is approximated by the ref to the nearest minute or so. I love that when a French commentator was asked on American television about the dispute between a coach and a player the commentator said (in a heavy French accent) ‘the coach told the player to go fuck himself and that he was a son-of-a-bitch’. I guess in France you can cuss on TV without worrying about right-wing Christian nutjobs.

The U.S. could do worse than looking to other countries and their practices. I hope soccer doesn’t lose its soul by adopting ridiculous American practices like instant replay on subjective calls.

[Anonymous]

[quote=kcal09]Unfortunately, there is no instant review and the refs decision is final. The good news is that the US team will face Algeria which is probably the weakest team in the group.[/quote]

How can you do instant replay on a subjective call like a foul? Typical non-thinking American response thinking that technology can fix everything when it can’t.

I’d much rather see foreign practices influence America as a result of this World Cup than vice versa. It just seems like the rest of the world is way ahead of America in common sense. Here in the U.S., we’ve had disaster after disaster (financial crisis, oil environmental disaster, GMO-food contaminating organics, hydraulic fracturing, etc) because we’ve put our common sense aside.

I love in this day and age of nuclear clocks that the game clock in soccer runs at random times and the end of the game is approximated by the ref to the nearest minute or so. I love that when a French commentator was asked on American television about the dispute between a coach and a player the commentator said (in a heavy French accent) ‘the coach told the player to go fuck himself and that he was a son-of-a-bitch’. I guess in France you can cuss on TV without worrying about right-wing Christian nutjobs.

The U.S. could do worse than looking to other countries and their practices. I hope soccer doesn’t lose its soul by adopting ridiculous American practices like instant replay on subjective calls.

[Anonymous]

[quote=kcal09]Unfortunately, there is no instant review and the refs decision is final. The good news is that the US team will face Algeria which is probably the weakest team in the group.[/quote]

How can you do instant replay on a subjective call like a foul? Typical non-thinking American response thinking that technology can fix everything when it can’t.

I’d much rather see foreign practices influence America as a result of this World Cup than vice versa. It just seems like the rest of the world is way ahead of America in common sense. Here in the U.S., we’ve had disaster after disaster (financial crisis, oil environmental disaster, GMO-food contaminating organics, hydraulic fracturing, etc) because we’ve put our common sense aside.

I love in this day and age of nuclear clocks that the game clock in soccer runs at random times and the end of the game is approximated by the ref to the nearest minute or so. I love that when a French commentator was asked on American television about the dispute between a coach and a player the commentator said (in a heavy French accent) ‘the coach told the player to go fuck himself and that he was a son-of-a-bitch’. I guess in France you can cuss on TV without worrying about right-wing Christian nutjobs.

The U.S. could do worse than looking to other countries and their practices. I hope soccer doesn’t lose its soul by adopting ridiculous American practices like instant replay on subjective calls.

[Anonymous]

[quote=kcal09]Unfortunately, there is no instant review and the refs decision is final. The good news is that the US team will face Algeria which is probably the weakest team in the group.[/quote]

How can you do instant replay on a subjective call like a foul? Typical non-thinking American response thinking that technology can fix everything when it can’t.

I’d much rather see foreign practices influence America as a result of this World Cup than vice versa. It just seems like the rest of the world is way ahead of America in common sense. Here in the U.S., we’ve had disaster after disaster (financial crisis, oil environmental disaster, GMO-food contaminating organics, hydraulic fracturing, etc) because we’ve put our common sense aside.

I love in this day and age of nuclear clocks that the game clock in soccer runs at random times and the end of the game is approximated by the ref to the nearest minute or so. I love that when a French commentator was asked on American television about the dispute between a coach and a player the commentator said (in a heavy French accent) ‘the coach told the player to go fuck himself and that he was a son-of-a-bitch’. I guess in France you can cuss on TV without worrying about right-wing Christian nutjobs.

The U.S. could do worse than looking to other countries and their practices. I hope soccer doesn’t lose its soul by adopting ridiculous American practices like instant replay on subjective calls.

[kcal09]

Unfortunately, there is no instant review and the refs decision is final. The good news is that the US team will face Algeria which is probably the weakest team in the group.

[kcal09]

Unfortunately, there is no instant review and the refs decision is final. The good news is that the US team will face Algeria which is probably the weakest team in the group.

[kcal09]

Unfortunately, there is no instant review and the refs decision is final. The good news is that the US team will face Algeria which is probably the weakest team in the group.

[kcal09]

Unfortunately, there is no instant review and the refs decision is final. The good news is that the US team will face Algeria which is probably the weakest team in the group.

[weberlin]

Perhaps poor reffing is built into professional soccer. You know, to make up for that fact that the sport is so God awfully painfully boring to watch.

[sunny88]

[quote=weberlin]Perhaps poor reffing is built into professional soccer. You know, to make up for that fact that the sport is so God awfully painfully boring to watch.[/quote]

I respectfully disagree. Soccer is much more interesting to watch than baseball and it’s not just about scoring but also how to build an attack or defend.

[sunny88]

[quote=weberlin]Perhaps poor reffing is built into professional soccer. You know, to make up for that fact that the sport is so God awfully painfully boring to watch.[/quote]

I respectfully disagree. Soccer is much more interesting to watch than baseball and it’s not just about scoring but also how to build an attack or defend.

[sunny88]

[quote=weberlin]Perhaps poor reffing is built into professional soccer. You know, to make up for that fact that the sport is so God awfully painfully boring to watch.[/quote]

I respectfully disagree. Soccer is much more interesting to watch than baseball and it’s not just about scoring but also how to build an attack or defend.

[sunny88]

[quote=weberlin]Perhaps poor reffing is built into professional soccer. You know, to make up for that fact that the sport is so God awfully painfully boring to watch.[/quote]

I respectfully disagree. Soccer is much more interesting to watch than baseball and it’s not just about scoring but also how to build an attack or defend.

[sunny88]

[quote=weberlin]Perhaps poor reffing is built into professional soccer. You know, to make up for that fact that the sport is so God awfully painfully boring to watch.[/quote]

I respectfully disagree. Soccer is much more interesting to watch than baseball and it’s not just about scoring but also how to build an attack or defend.

[Anonymous]

[quote=weberlin]Perhaps poor reffing is built into professional soccer. You know, to make up for that fact that the sport is so God awfully painfully boring to watch.[/quote]

You’re just not sophisticated enough to appreciate the nuances. You should probably stick to American pigskin football with it’s 3 yards and a cloud of dust or American basketball where hooligan fans destroy their city after a victory.

[CardiffBaseball]

Sophisticated? Hilarious.

Look I am doing my part. My foreign born wife was just impressed that I understood what it took for my Americanos to advance (win and in, or various other scenarios). My guess is you wouldn’t understand the implications of the West Coast offense vs. standard drop back.

No matter I really freakin’ hate comparing sports. Either a sport stands on its own or it doesn’t. There are very kids out there who actually learn how to hit a baseball who think it’s boring.

I am fine with World Cup right now it’s a nice diversion since the NBA (greatest overall athletes on the planet in my opinion) is over, baseball is in early stages and football camps are just getting underway. Perfect time for some world cup action. College baseball and that damn “ting” is not that appealing other than deciding whether I should push the kids a little harder to play post-high school.

I guess we are going to have to say screwing with the refs has become an art form. Maybe FIFA can consider adding another referee to the field?

[Anonymous]

Some pictures of famous American ‘athletes’:

[img_assist|nid=13497|title=Refrigerator Perry – famous American ‘football’ player|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=88|height=100]

[img_assist|nid=13496|title=John Kruk – famous American baseball player|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=200|height=150]

[img_assist|nid=13498|title=John Daly – famous American golfer|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=306|height=449]

Not American, but one of the best ‘athletes’ in American basketball:

[img_assist|nid=13499|title=Pau Gasol – wtf?|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=70|height=100]

Now, compare the above specimens, with a famous professional soccer player:

[img_assist|nid=13500|title=Cristiano Ronaldo – soccer player|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=68|height=100]

There can be no disagreement amongst reasonable peoples. Football (real football) has the best athletes.

[Anonymous]

Some pictures of famous American ‘athletes’:

[img_assist|nid=13497|title=Refrigerator Perry – famous American ‘football’ player|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=88|height=100]

[img_assist|nid=13496|title=John Kruk – famous American baseball player|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=200|height=150]

[img_assist|nid=13498|title=John Daly – famous American golfer|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=306|height=449]

Not American, but one of the best ‘athletes’ in American basketball:

[img_assist|nid=13499|title=Pau Gasol – wtf?|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=70|height=100]

Now, compare the above specimens, with a famous professional soccer player:

[img_assist|nid=13500|title=Cristiano Ronaldo – soccer player|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=68|height=100]

There can be no disagreement amongst reasonable peoples. Football (real football) has the best athletes.

[Anonymous]

Some pictures of famous American ‘athletes’:

[img_assist|nid=13497|title=Refrigerator Perry – famous American ‘football’ player|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=88|height=100]

[img_assist|nid=13496|title=John Kruk – famous American baseball player|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=200|height=150]

[img_assist|nid=13498|title=John Daly – famous American golfer|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=306|height=449]

Not American, but one of the best ‘athletes’ in American basketball:

[img_assist|nid=13499|title=Pau Gasol – wtf?|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=70|height=100]

Now, compare the above specimens, with a famous professional soccer player:

[img_assist|nid=13500|title=Cristiano Ronaldo – soccer player|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=68|height=100]

There can be no disagreement amongst reasonable peoples. Football (real football) has the best athletes.

[Anonymous]

Some pictures of famous American ‘athletes’:

[img_assist|nid=13497|title=Refrigerator Perry – famous American ‘football’ player|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=88|height=100]

[img_assist|nid=13496|title=John Kruk – famous American baseball player|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=200|height=150]

[img_assist|nid=13498|title=John Daly – famous American golfer|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=306|height=449]

Not American, but one of the best ‘athletes’ in American basketball:

[img_assist|nid=13499|title=Pau Gasol – wtf?|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=70|height=100]

Now, compare the above specimens, with a famous professional soccer player:

[img_assist|nid=13500|title=Cristiano Ronaldo – soccer player|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=68|height=100]

There can be no disagreement amongst reasonable peoples. Football (real football) has the best athletes.

[Anonymous]

Some pictures of famous American ‘athletes’:

[img_assist|nid=13497|title=Refrigerator Perry – famous American ‘football’ player|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=88|height=100]

[img_assist|nid=13496|title=John Kruk – famous American baseball player|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=200|height=150]

[img_assist|nid=13498|title=John Daly – famous American golfer|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=306|height=449]

Not American, but one of the best ‘athletes’ in American basketball:

[img_assist|nid=13499|title=Pau Gasol – wtf?|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=70|height=100]

Now, compare the above specimens, with a famous professional soccer player:

[img_assist|nid=13500|title=Cristiano Ronaldo – soccer player|desc=|link=node|align=left|width=68|height=100]

There can be no disagreement amongst reasonable peoples. Football (real football) has the best athletes.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]Sophisticated? Hilarious.

Look I am doing my part. My foreign born wife was just impressed that I understood what it took for my Americanos to advance (win and in, or various other scenarios). My guess is you wouldn’t understand the implications of the West Coast offense vs. standard drop back.

No matter I really freakin’ hate comparing sports. Either a sport stands on its own or it doesn’t. There are very kids out there who actually learn how to hit a baseball who think it’s boring.

I am fine with World Cup right now it’s a nice diversion since the NBA (greatest overall athletes on the planet in my opinion) is over, baseball is in early stages and football camps are just getting underway. Perfect time for some world cup action. College baseball and that damn “ting” is not that appealing other than deciding whether I should push the kids a little harder to play post-high school.

I guess we are going to have to say screwing with the refs has become an art form. Maybe FIFA can consider adding another referee to the field?[/quote]

Cardiff: Dude. You’re arguing with a troll, and an ill-informed one at that. This particular troll posts inflammatory little missives designed to goad you into an emotional response and then vilifies you when you attempt to respond intelligently.

Football (or baseball or basketball) versus soccer is a non-issue. Everyone enjoys watching their own favorite sports and, let’s face it, for an athlete to perform at that level, regardless of sport, demands tremendous dedication and physicality (watching even a few minutes of the NFL combine would suffice to make this point). As far as the particular fanaticism that comes with American football, well, like you said, if you’ve ever played and/or coached, you’d understand it viscerally.

His mention of the word “hooligan” is especially funny, though, given that the term “soccer hooligan” is instantly recognizable to fans the world over: http://www.sirc.org/publik/football_violence.html (excellent paper on soccer hooliganism from Social Issues Research Center) and from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism

As far as soccer’s “superiority”, let’s not forget the virulent racism: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1798795,00.html, or the cheerful little neo-Nazis::http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1798795,00.html

And, of course, there’s FIFA, one of the most scandal plagued organizations in modern sports: http://www.playthegame.org/knowledge-bank/articles/ripping-up-soccer-the-story-behind-the-fifa-scandals-1017.html

So, yeah, soccer is clearly superior to ALL American sports, and one clearly needs to be a sophisticated bon vivant to appreciate it. You know, as opposed to a stupid, racist, corrupt and fat American.

[Anonymous]

General Advisory: This thread involves good-natured ‘ribbing’ between fans of different ‘sports’. (That is, if games like American ‘football’ where every 3 seconds of ‘action’ requires a 60-second break and games like baseball where players’ heads magically grow to three times their previous size in mid-adulthood can be called ‘sports’).

If your panties are susceptible to bunching and you are prone to throwing hissy fits, maybe this thread isn’t for you.

[CDMA ENG]

The ref for the american game was making consistantly bad calls in both directions. Upon review I think that he knew he made a mistake upon allowing the free kick. The free kick should have never happened and when the US made a goal from it and he disallowed the goal. That being said YOU CAN’T NOT DO THIS. You are not allow to correct a previous bad call by committing another bad call (e.g. disallowing the goal). FIFA laws (and yes they are called laws instead of rules) does not allow for this!

So even though the free kick should have never been awarded it does not have bearing on the fact we were robbed of a goal as well.

CE

[CDMA ENG]

The ref for the american game was making consistantly bad calls in both directions. Upon review I think that he knew he made a mistake upon allowing the free kick. The free kick should have never happened and when the US made a goal from it and he disallowed the goal. That being said YOU CAN’T NOT DO THIS. You are not allow to correct a previous bad call by committing another bad call (e.g. disallowing the goal). FIFA laws (and yes they are called laws instead of rules) does not allow for this!

So even though the free kick should have never been awarded it does not have bearing on the fact we were robbed of a goal as well.

CE

[CDMA ENG]

The ref for the american game was making consistantly bad calls in both directions. Upon review I think that he knew he made a mistake upon allowing the free kick. The free kick should have never happened and when the US made a goal from it and he disallowed the goal. That being said YOU CAN’T NOT DO THIS. You are not allow to correct a previous bad call by committing another bad call (e.g. disallowing the goal). FIFA laws (and yes they are called laws instead of rules) does not allow for this!

So even though the free kick should have never been awarded it does not have bearing on the fact we were robbed of a goal as well.

CE

[CDMA ENG]

The ref for the american game was making consistantly bad calls in both directions. Upon review I think that he knew he made a mistake upon allowing the free kick. The free kick should have never happened and when the US made a goal from it and he disallowed the goal. That being said YOU CAN’T NOT DO THIS. You are not allow to correct a previous bad call by committing another bad call (e.g. disallowing the goal). FIFA laws (and yes they are called laws instead of rules) does not allow for this!

So even though the free kick should have never been awarded it does not have bearing on the fact we were robbed of a goal as well.

CE

[CDMA ENG]

The ref for the american game was making consistantly bad calls in both directions. Upon review I think that he knew he made a mistake upon allowing the free kick. The free kick should have never happened and when the US made a goal from it and he disallowed the goal. That being said YOU CAN’T NOT DO THIS. You are not allow to correct a previous bad call by committing another bad call (e.g. disallowing the goal). FIFA laws (and yes they are called laws instead of rules) does not allow for this!

So even though the free kick should have never been awarded it does not have bearing on the fact we were robbed of a goal as well.

CE

[34f3f3f]

[quote=IForget]General Advisory: This thread involves good-natured ‘ribbing’ between fans of different ‘sports’.

If your panties are susceptible to bunching and you are prone to throwing hissy fits, maybe this thread isn’t for you.[/quote]

Hahaha! You’re not British by any chance?

[CardiffBaseball]

I know what bone bruises can be like because I USED to (not anymore) pitch to boys without L-Screen protection. In general I stacked two buckets because I can always project myself frow waist up but the bat speed off of juice up composite bats was too much to get to the low ball. One time my foot was dangling and didn’t make it back, and it hit me so hard I had a second kneecap for about two hours. Never saw such swelling and no break, just a deep bone bruise that took a few weeks to heel. In fact about 2-3 months later I had a vein burst down in my foot which was a result of that impact. So I am sure this stuff can hurt….

I just mean the fake stuff, and guys acting as if they are hurt. I really don’t like that.

By the way iforget let’s not cherry pick your great us athletes. Do you think it’s any coincidence that your typical HS 100 meter stud is also the running back on the football team? Have you checked the vertical leap on these guys which is a indicator of the power contained within their posterior chain? I didn’t see any centerfielders in your list. Do you see many guys on the US team you’d thrown in for Rickey Henderson?

And let’s not forget the way Barkley embarrassed the rest of the world despite being a few pounds over ideal weight. Strange that none of the prissy Euro basketball players could handle him despite the fact that they “looked like athletes”.

Don’t forget hand-to-eye coordination, depth perception, reaction time, etc. The US team is comprised of our best soccer players, but not really our best athletes. Regarding the weight my feeling is there is a certain amount of weight in anaerobic (i.e. power/strength) sports that seems to be ideal for each guy and for that player it’s an individual thing. Certain positions you don’t want to lean out excessively.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]

Don’t forget hand-to-eye coordination, depth perception, reaction time, etc. The US team is comprised of our best soccer players, but not really our best athletes. Regarding the weight my feeling is there is a certain amount of weight in anaerobic (i.e. power/strength) sports that seems to be ideal for each guy and for that player it’s an individual thing. Certain positions you don’t want to lean out excessively.[/quote]

Cardiff: Or watching a 300+lb Texas Tech O lineman pulling and getting out in front of a 170lb tailback on a sweep. Given how prevalent the Spread and Open offenses are now in HS and college, you see some huge AND quick/fast O linemen. The old notion that these kids are just sides of beef with hands has long been dispelled, except for those who persist in their prejudices. Forgetting Euro versus American athletes for a second, I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.

[afx114]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.[/quote]

Funny, all the jocks who used to pick on me in HS are now bagging my groceries at Ralph’s.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.[/quote]

Funny, all the jocks who used to pick on me in HS are now bagging my groceries at Ralph’s.[/quote]

Afx: Public high school, I take it? Its a little different for private/parochial/Catholic school. We had seven academic All-Americans on our defensive unit alone.

Like I said, I get the whole “dumb jock” thing, but that’s a sweeping generalization and stereotype, and it doesn’t hold true for everyone.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.[/quote]

Funny, all the jocks who used to pick on me in HS are now bagging my groceries at Ralph’s.[/quote]

Afx: Public high school, I take it? Its a little different for private/parochial/Catholic school. We had seven academic All-Americans on our defensive unit alone.

Like I said, I get the whole “dumb jock” thing, but that’s a sweeping generalization and stereotype, and it doesn’t hold true for everyone.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.[/quote]

Funny, all the jocks who used to pick on me in HS are now bagging my groceries at Ralph’s.[/quote]

Afx: Public high school, I take it? Its a little different for private/parochial/Catholic school. We had seven academic All-Americans on our defensive unit alone.

Like I said, I get the whole “dumb jock” thing, but that’s a sweeping generalization and stereotype, and it doesn’t hold true for everyone.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.[/quote]

Funny, all the jocks who used to pick on me in HS are now bagging my groceries at Ralph’s.[/quote]

Afx: Public high school, I take it? Its a little different for private/parochial/Catholic school. We had seven academic All-Americans on our defensive unit alone.

Like I said, I get the whole “dumb jock” thing, but that’s a sweeping generalization and stereotype, and it doesn’t hold true for everyone.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.[/quote]

Funny, all the jocks who used to pick on me in HS are now bagging my groceries at Ralph’s.[/quote]

Afx: Public high school, I take it? Its a little different for private/parochial/Catholic school. We had seven academic All-Americans on our defensive unit alone.

Like I said, I get the whole “dumb jock” thing, but that’s a sweeping generalization and stereotype, and it doesn’t hold true for everyone.

[Coronita]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.[/quote]

Funny, all the jocks who used to pick on me in HS are now bagging my groceries at Ralph’s.[/quote]

I wish I went to your high school…

A lot of the jocks that use to pick on me ended up being doctors or worked for Goldman with their trophy wives… There’s something to be said about being well rounded. I wish I had learned that in my more youthful days…

[Coronita]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.[/quote]

Funny, all the jocks who used to pick on me in HS are now bagging my groceries at Ralph’s.[/quote]

I wish I went to your high school…

A lot of the jocks that use to pick on me ended up being doctors or worked for Goldman with their trophy wives… There’s something to be said about being well rounded. I wish I had learned that in my more youthful days…

[Coronita]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.[/quote]

Funny, all the jocks who used to pick on me in HS are now bagging my groceries at Ralph’s.[/quote]

I wish I went to your high school…

A lot of the jocks that use to pick on me ended up being doctors or worked for Goldman with their trophy wives… There’s something to be said about being well rounded. I wish I had learned that in my more youthful days…

[Coronita]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.[/quote]

Funny, all the jocks who used to pick on me in HS are now bagging my groceries at Ralph’s.[/quote]

I wish I went to your high school…

A lot of the jocks that use to pick on me ended up being doctors or worked for Goldman with their trophy wives… There’s something to be said about being well rounded. I wish I had learned that in my more youthful days…

[Coronita]

[quote=afx114][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.[/quote]

Funny, all the jocks who used to pick on me in HS are now bagging my groceries at Ralph’s.[/quote]

I wish I went to your high school…

A lot of the jocks that use to pick on me ended up being doctors or worked for Goldman with their trophy wives… There’s something to be said about being well rounded. I wish I had learned that in my more youthful days…

[afx114]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.[/quote]

Funny, all the jocks who used to pick on me in HS are now bagging my groceries at Ralph’s.

[afx114]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.[/quote]

Funny, all the jocks who used to pick on me in HS are now bagging my groceries at Ralph’s.

[afx114]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.[/quote]

Funny, all the jocks who used to pick on me in HS are now bagging my groceries at Ralph’s.

[afx114]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.[/quote]

Funny, all the jocks who used to pick on me in HS are now bagging my groceries at Ralph’s.

[NotCranky]

Did the “jocks” pick on people where you come from, Allan? Did only football players do it or soccer players too, baseball players? Where I came from the “jocks” didn’t pick on anyone. The gangbangers were in charge of violence. To tell you the truth I don’t even remember the “Jocks”. I remember a few guys on teams that I had in classes or someone who lived in my neighborhood who was great but ended up on drugs.

I still think football is dominated by a combination of speed and weight and protection from collisions because of it. The big guys might be a little better on those fronts but I don’t see where they are demonstrating much talent that is obsrervable in other sports. It’s still run and get that dude or get in that dudes way.Maybe get a hand up and try to block a punt. I agree that the smaller position players show a lot of transferable skills/abilities and this is where your crossover athletes come from.

I also agree that the constant standing around, followed usually by a dog-pile aspect of football is annoying.

I can’t stand the hype around the NFL. Hate the game not the player.

[NotCranky]

Did the “jocks” pick on people where you come from, Allan? Did only football players do it or soccer players too, baseball players? Where I came from the “jocks” didn’t pick on anyone. The gangbangers were in charge of violence. To tell you the truth I don’t even remember the “Jocks”. I remember a few guys on teams that I had in classes or someone who lived in my neighborhood who was great but ended up on drugs.

I still think football is dominated by a combination of speed and weight and protection from collisions because of it. The big guys might be a little better on those fronts but I don’t see where they are demonstrating much talent that is obsrervable in other sports. It’s still run and get that dude or get in that dudes way.Maybe get a hand up and try to block a punt. I agree that the smaller position players show a lot of transferable skills/abilities and this is where your crossover athletes come from.

I also agree that the constant standing around, followed usually by a dog-pile aspect of football is annoying.

I can’t stand the hype around the NFL. Hate the game not the player.

[NotCranky]

Did the “jocks” pick on people where you come from, Allan? Did only football players do it or soccer players too, baseball players? Where I came from the “jocks” didn’t pick on anyone. The gangbangers were in charge of violence. To tell you the truth I don’t even remember the “Jocks”. I remember a few guys on teams that I had in classes or someone who lived in my neighborhood who was great but ended up on drugs.

I still think football is dominated by a combination of speed and weight and protection from collisions because of it. The big guys might be a little better on those fronts but I don’t see where they are demonstrating much talent that is obsrervable in other sports. It’s still run and get that dude or get in that dudes way.Maybe get a hand up and try to block a punt. I agree that the smaller position players show a lot of transferable skills/abilities and this is where your crossover athletes come from.

I also agree that the constant standing around, followed usually by a dog-pile aspect of football is annoying.

I can’t stand the hype around the NFL. Hate the game not the player.

[NotCranky]

Did the “jocks” pick on people where you come from, Allan? Did only football players do it or soccer players too, baseball players? Where I came from the “jocks” didn’t pick on anyone. The gangbangers were in charge of violence. To tell you the truth I don’t even remember the “Jocks”. I remember a few guys on teams that I had in classes or someone who lived in my neighborhood who was great but ended up on drugs.

I still think football is dominated by a combination of speed and weight and protection from collisions because of it. The big guys might be a little better on those fronts but I don’t see where they are demonstrating much talent that is obsrervable in other sports. It’s still run and get that dude or get in that dudes way.Maybe get a hand up and try to block a punt. I agree that the smaller position players show a lot of transferable skills/abilities and this is where your crossover athletes come from.

I also agree that the constant standing around, followed usually by a dog-pile aspect of football is annoying.

I can’t stand the hype around the NFL. Hate the game not the player.

[NotCranky]

Did the “jocks” pick on people where you come from, Allan? Did only football players do it or soccer players too, baseball players? Where I came from the “jocks” didn’t pick on anyone. The gangbangers were in charge of violence. To tell you the truth I don’t even remember the “Jocks”. I remember a few guys on teams that I had in classes or someone who lived in my neighborhood who was great but ended up on drugs.

I still think football is dominated by a combination of speed and weight and protection from collisions because of it. The big guys might be a little better on those fronts but I don’t see where they are demonstrating much talent that is obsrervable in other sports. It’s still run and get that dude or get in that dudes way.Maybe get a hand up and try to block a punt. I agree that the smaller position players show a lot of transferable skills/abilities and this is where your crossover athletes come from.

I also agree that the constant standing around, followed usually by a dog-pile aspect of football is annoying.

I can’t stand the hype around the NFL. Hate the game not the player.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]

Don’t forget hand-to-eye coordination, depth perception, reaction time, etc. The US team is comprised of our best soccer players, but not really our best athletes. Regarding the weight my feeling is there is a certain amount of weight in anaerobic (i.e. power/strength) sports that seems to be ideal for each guy and for that player it’s an individual thing. Certain positions you don’t want to lean out excessively.[/quote]

Cardiff: Or watching a 300+lb Texas Tech O lineman pulling and getting out in front of a 170lb tailback on a sweep. Given how prevalent the Spread and Open offenses are now in HS and college, you see some huge AND quick/fast O linemen. The old notion that these kids are just sides of beef with hands has long been dispelled, except for those who persist in their prejudices. Forgetting Euro versus American athletes for a second, I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]

Don’t forget hand-to-eye coordination, depth perception, reaction time, etc. The US team is comprised of our best soccer players, but not really our best athletes. Regarding the weight my feeling is there is a certain amount of weight in anaerobic (i.e. power/strength) sports that seems to be ideal for each guy and for that player it’s an individual thing. Certain positions you don’t want to lean out excessively.[/quote]

Cardiff: Or watching a 300+lb Texas Tech O lineman pulling and getting out in front of a 170lb tailback on a sweep. Given how prevalent the Spread and Open offenses are now in HS and college, you see some huge AND quick/fast O linemen. The old notion that these kids are just sides of beef with hands has long been dispelled, except for those who persist in their prejudices. Forgetting Euro versus American athletes for a second, I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]

Don’t forget hand-to-eye coordination, depth perception, reaction time, etc. The US team is comprised of our best soccer players, but not really our best athletes. Regarding the weight my feeling is there is a certain amount of weight in anaerobic (i.e. power/strength) sports that seems to be ideal for each guy and for that player it’s an individual thing. Certain positions you don’t want to lean out excessively.[/quote]

Cardiff: Or watching a 300+lb Texas Tech O lineman pulling and getting out in front of a 170lb tailback on a sweep. Given how prevalent the Spread and Open offenses are now in HS and college, you see some huge AND quick/fast O linemen. The old notion that these kids are just sides of beef with hands has long been dispelled, except for those who persist in their prejudices. Forgetting Euro versus American athletes for a second, I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]

Don’t forget hand-to-eye coordination, depth perception, reaction time, etc. The US team is comprised of our best soccer players, but not really our best athletes. Regarding the weight my feeling is there is a certain amount of weight in anaerobic (i.e. power/strength) sports that seems to be ideal for each guy and for that player it’s an individual thing. Certain positions you don’t want to lean out excessively.[/quote]

Cardiff: Or watching a 300+lb Texas Tech O lineman pulling and getting out in front of a 170lb tailback on a sweep. Given how prevalent the Spread and Open offenses are now in HS and college, you see some huge AND quick/fast O linemen. The old notion that these kids are just sides of beef with hands has long been dispelled, except for those who persist in their prejudices. Forgetting Euro versus American athletes for a second, I’m more amused by some of the guys who were clearly picked on by jocks in HS taking pot shots at football players now without any idea what they’re talking about.

[CardiffBaseball]

I know what bone bruises can be like because I USED to (not anymore) pitch to boys without L-Screen protection. In general I stacked two buckets because I can always project myself frow waist up but the bat speed off of juice up composite bats was too much to get to the low ball. One time my foot was dangling and didn’t make it back, and it hit me so hard I had a second kneecap for about two hours. Never saw such swelling and no break, just a deep bone bruise that took a few weeks to heel. In fact about 2-3 months later I had a vein burst down in my foot which was a result of that impact. So I am sure this stuff can hurt….

I just mean the fake stuff, and guys acting as if they are hurt. I really don’t like that.

By the way iforget let’s not cherry pick your great us athletes. Do you think it’s any coincidence that your typical HS 100 meter stud is also the running back on the football team? Have you checked the vertical leap on these guys which is a indicator of the power contained within their posterior chain? I didn’t see any centerfielders in your list. Do you see many guys on the US team you’d thrown in for Rickey Henderson?

And let’s not forget the way Barkley embarrassed the rest of the world despite being a few pounds over ideal weight. Strange that none of the prissy Euro basketball players could handle him despite the fact that they “looked like athletes”.

Don’t forget hand-to-eye coordination, depth perception, reaction time, etc. The US team is comprised of our best soccer players, but not really our best athletes. Regarding the weight my feeling is there is a certain amount of weight in anaerobic (i.e. power/strength) sports that seems to be ideal for each guy and for that player it’s an individual thing. Certain positions you don’t want to lean out excessively.

[CardiffBaseball]

I know what bone bruises can be like because I USED to (not anymore) pitch to boys without L-Screen protection. In general I stacked two buckets because I can always project myself frow waist up but the bat speed off of juice up composite bats was too much to get to the low ball. One time my foot was dangling and didn’t make it back, and it hit me so hard I had a second kneecap for about two hours. Never saw such swelling and no break, just a deep bone bruise that took a few weeks to heel. In fact about 2-3 months later I had a vein burst down in my foot which was a result of that impact. So I am sure this stuff can hurt….

I just mean the fake stuff, and guys acting as if they are hurt. I really don’t like that.

By the way iforget let’s not cherry pick your great us athletes. Do you think it’s any coincidence that your typical HS 100 meter stud is also the running back on the football team? Have you checked the vertical leap on these guys which is a indicator of the power contained within their posterior chain? I didn’t see any centerfielders in your list. Do you see many guys on the US team you’d thrown in for Rickey Henderson?

And let’s not forget the way Barkley embarrassed the rest of the world despite being a few pounds over ideal weight. Strange that none of the prissy Euro basketball players could handle him despite the fact that they “looked like athletes”.

Don’t forget hand-to-eye coordination, depth perception, reaction time, etc. The US team is comprised of our best soccer players, but not really our best athletes. Regarding the weight my feeling is there is a certain amount of weight in anaerobic (i.e. power/strength) sports that seems to be ideal for each guy and for that player it’s an individual thing. Certain positions you don’t want to lean out excessively.

[CardiffBaseball]

I know what bone bruises can be like because I USED to (not anymore) pitch to boys without L-Screen protection. In general I stacked two buckets because I can always project myself frow waist up but the bat speed off of juice up composite bats was too much to get to the low ball. One time my foot was dangling and didn’t make it back, and it hit me so hard I had a second kneecap for about two hours. Never saw such swelling and no break, just a deep bone bruise that took a few weeks to heel. In fact about 2-3 months later I had a vein burst down in my foot which was a result of that impact. So I am sure this stuff can hurt….

I just mean the fake stuff, and guys acting as if they are hurt. I really don’t like that.

By the way iforget let’s not cherry pick your great us athletes. Do you think it’s any coincidence that your typical HS 100 meter stud is also the running back on the football team? Have you checked the vertical leap on these guys which is a indicator of the power contained within their posterior chain? I didn’t see any centerfielders in your list. Do you see many guys on the US team you’d thrown in for Rickey Henderson?

And let’s not forget the way Barkley embarrassed the rest of the world despite being a few pounds over ideal weight. Strange that none of the prissy Euro basketball players could handle him despite the fact that they “looked like athletes”.

Don’t forget hand-to-eye coordination, depth perception, reaction time, etc. The US team is comprised of our best soccer players, but not really our best athletes. Regarding the weight my feeling is there is a certain amount of weight in anaerobic (i.e. power/strength) sports that seems to be ideal for each guy and for that player it’s an individual thing. Certain positions you don’t want to lean out excessively.

[CardiffBaseball]

I know what bone bruises can be like because I USED to (not anymore) pitch to boys without L-Screen protection. In general I stacked two buckets because I can always project myself frow waist up but the bat speed off of juice up composite bats was too much to get to the low ball. One time my foot was dangling and didn’t make it back, and it hit me so hard I had a second kneecap for about two hours. Never saw such swelling and no break, just a deep bone bruise that took a few weeks to heel. In fact about 2-3 months later I had a vein burst down in my foot which was a result of that impact. So I am sure this stuff can hurt….

I just mean the fake stuff, and guys acting as if they are hurt. I really don’t like that.

By the way iforget let’s not cherry pick your great us athletes. Do you think it’s any coincidence that your typical HS 100 meter stud is also the running back on the football team? Have you checked the vertical leap on these guys which is a indicator of the power contained within their posterior chain? I didn’t see any centerfielders in your list. Do you see many guys on the US team you’d thrown in for Rickey Henderson?

And let’s not forget the way Barkley embarrassed the rest of the world despite being a few pounds over ideal weight. Strange that none of the prissy Euro basketball players could handle him despite the fact that they “looked like athletes”.

Don’t forget hand-to-eye coordination, depth perception, reaction time, etc. The US team is comprised of our best soccer players, but not really our best athletes. Regarding the weight my feeling is there is a certain amount of weight in anaerobic (i.e. power/strength) sports that seems to be ideal for each guy and for that player it’s an individual thing. Certain positions you don’t want to lean out excessively.

[34f3f3f]

[quote=IForget]General Advisory: This thread involves good-natured ‘ribbing’ between fans of different ‘sports’.

If your panties are susceptible to bunching and you are prone to throwing hissy fits, maybe this thread isn’t for you.[/quote]

Hahaha! You’re not British by any chance?

[34f3f3f]

[quote=IForget]General Advisory: This thread involves good-natured ‘ribbing’ between fans of different ‘sports’.

If your panties are susceptible to bunching and you are prone to throwing hissy fits, maybe this thread isn’t for you.[/quote]

Hahaha! You’re not British by any chance?

[34f3f3f]

[quote=IForget]General Advisory: This thread involves good-natured ‘ribbing’ between fans of different ‘sports’.

If your panties are susceptible to bunching and you are prone to throwing hissy fits, maybe this thread isn’t for you.[/quote]

Hahaha! You’re not British by any chance?

[34f3f3f]

[quote=IForget]General Advisory: This thread involves good-natured ‘ribbing’ between fans of different ‘sports’.

If your panties are susceptible to bunching and you are prone to throwing hissy fits, maybe this thread isn’t for you.[/quote]

Hahaha! You’re not British by any chance?

[Anonymous]

General Advisory: This thread involves good-natured ‘ribbing’ between fans of different ‘sports’. (That is, if games like American ‘football’ where every 3 seconds of ‘action’ requires a 60-second break and games like baseball where players’ heads magically grow to three times their previous size in mid-adulthood can be called ‘sports’).

If your panties are susceptible to bunching and you are prone to throwing hissy fits, maybe this thread isn’t for you.

[Anonymous]

General Advisory: This thread involves good-natured ‘ribbing’ between fans of different ‘sports’. (That is, if games like American ‘football’ where every 3 seconds of ‘action’ requires a 60-second break and games like baseball where players’ heads magically grow to three times their previous size in mid-adulthood can be called ‘sports’).

If your panties are susceptible to bunching and you are prone to throwing hissy fits, maybe this thread isn’t for you.

[Anonymous]

General Advisory: This thread involves good-natured ‘ribbing’ between fans of different ‘sports’. (That is, if games like American ‘football’ where every 3 seconds of ‘action’ requires a 60-second break and games like baseball where players’ heads magically grow to three times their previous size in mid-adulthood can be called ‘sports’).

If your panties are susceptible to bunching and you are prone to throwing hissy fits, maybe this thread isn’t for you.

[Anonymous]

General Advisory: This thread involves good-natured ‘ribbing’ between fans of different ‘sports’. (That is, if games like American ‘football’ where every 3 seconds of ‘action’ requires a 60-second break and games like baseball where players’ heads magically grow to three times their previous size in mid-adulthood can be called ‘sports’).

If your panties are susceptible to bunching and you are prone to throwing hissy fits, maybe this thread isn’t for you.

[sdduuuude]

I hate to say it, but those photos of famous american athletes is pretty damn funny. Still, I continue to be open-jawed by brian’s and Iforget’s inability to play nice with others in a thread where we are just talking about sports.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=sdduuuude]I hate to say it, but those photos of famous american athletes is pretty damn funny. Still, I continue to be open-jawed by brian’s and Iforget’s inability to play nice with others in a thread where we are just talking about sports.[/quote]

Dude: Just call Brian and IForget on their initial BS and then ignore the bloviating that follows.

I was wondering how MLB pitcher Terry Forster (remember Letterman’s “fat tub of goo” remark?) was left out of the photos.

Or Babe Ruth.

Or Charles Barkley. Turrible, just turrible.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=sdduuuude]I hate to say it, but those photos of famous american athletes is pretty damn funny. Still, I continue to be open-jawed by brian’s and Iforget’s inability to play nice with others in a thread where we are just talking about sports.[/quote]

Dude: Just call Brian and IForget on their initial BS and then ignore the bloviating that follows.

I was wondering how MLB pitcher Terry Forster (remember Letterman’s “fat tub of goo” remark?) was left out of the photos.

Or Babe Ruth.

Or Charles Barkley. Turrible, just turrible.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=sdduuuude]I hate to say it, but those photos of famous american athletes is pretty damn funny. Still, I continue to be open-jawed by brian’s and Iforget’s inability to play nice with others in a thread where we are just talking about sports.[/quote]

Dude: Just call Brian and IForget on their initial BS and then ignore the bloviating that follows.

I was wondering how MLB pitcher Terry Forster (remember Letterman’s “fat tub of goo” remark?) was left out of the photos.

Or Babe Ruth.

Or Charles Barkley. Turrible, just turrible.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=sdduuuude]I hate to say it, but those photos of famous american athletes is pretty damn funny. Still, I continue to be open-jawed by brian’s and Iforget’s inability to play nice with others in a thread where we are just talking about sports.[/quote]

Dude: Just call Brian and IForget on their initial BS and then ignore the bloviating that follows.

I was wondering how MLB pitcher Terry Forster (remember Letterman’s “fat tub of goo” remark?) was left out of the photos.

Or Babe Ruth.

Or Charles Barkley. Turrible, just turrible.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=sdduuuude]I hate to say it, but those photos of famous american athletes is pretty damn funny. Still, I continue to be open-jawed by brian’s and Iforget’s inability to play nice with others in a thread where we are just talking about sports.[/quote]

Dude: Just call Brian and IForget on their initial BS and then ignore the bloviating that follows.

I was wondering how MLB pitcher Terry Forster (remember Letterman’s “fat tub of goo” remark?) was left out of the photos.

Or Babe Ruth.

Or Charles Barkley. Turrible, just turrible.

[NotCranky]

[quote=sdduuuude]I hate to say it, but those photos of famous american athletes is pretty damn funny. Still, I continue to be open-jawed by brian’s and Iforget’s inability to play nice with others in a thread where we are just talking about sports.[/quote]
Funny or sad…I don’t know.A good portion of the guys of an average high school football team can not beat the average “non-athlete” from the same school in the decathlon. Many of the girls would beat them. I guess with the plumping up of America that might not be true today, but it was when I was a kid. Good thing they had separate PE classes for athletes because a lot of them would get smoked by average guys in a multi-sport PE class… The fastest miler and half miler also tends to under perform in other athletic endeavors, but they are elite for what they do relative to the school population. The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

Disclaimer: I wasn’t that fastest miler or a lineman at my school.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]Funny or sad…I don’t know.A good portion of the guys of an average high school football team can not beat the average “non-athlete” from the same school in the decathlon. Many of the girls would beat them. I guess with the plumping up of America that might not be true today, but it was when I was a kid. Good thing they had separate PE classes for athletes because a lot of them would get smoked by average guys in a multi-sport PE class… The fastest miler and half miler also tends to under perform in other athletic endeavors, but they are elite for what they do relative to the school population. The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

Disclaimer: I wasn’t that fastest miler or a lineman at my school.[/quote]

Russell: Nope, you’re right. A good portion of our offensive line was “excused” when we used to do stadium runs (up and down the stairs at our field), namely because they couldn’t hack it.

However, the linebackers, defensive backs and offensive skill position players all participated in other sports, including Track & Field, baseball and wrestling. I don’t know about your high school’s wrestling program, but ours was physically brutal, including a huge amount of “roadwork” (i.e. distance running) and weight lifting. I knew a lot of guys from the cross-country and swim teams because I ran and swam with them (I swam rather than ran whenever I could because it was less punishing on the knees).

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]Funny or sad…I don’t know.A good portion of the guys of an average high school football team can not beat the average “non-athlete” from the same school in the decathlon. Many of the girls would beat them. I guess with the plumping up of America that might not be true today, but it was when I was a kid. Good thing they had separate PE classes for athletes because a lot of them would get smoked by average guys in a multi-sport PE class… The fastest miler and half miler also tends to under perform in other athletic endeavors, but they are elite for what they do relative to the school population. The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

Disclaimer: I wasn’t that fastest miler or a lineman at my school.[/quote]

Russell: Nope, you’re right. A good portion of our offensive line was “excused” when we used to do stadium runs (up and down the stairs at our field), namely because they couldn’t hack it.

However, the linebackers, defensive backs and offensive skill position players all participated in other sports, including Track & Field, baseball and wrestling. I don’t know about your high school’s wrestling program, but ours was physically brutal, including a huge amount of “roadwork” (i.e. distance running) and weight lifting. I knew a lot of guys from the cross-country and swim teams because I ran and swam with them (I swam rather than ran whenever I could because it was less punishing on the knees).[/quote]

Couldn’t be more true… You were a Ranger Allan… How many people did you know that got a performance drop because they couldn’t do one particular thing? They did well in everything else but couldn’t hack a run time or a swim time… But were fantastic in everything else? All of those guys were pretty much atheletes that failed because they weren’t well rounded.

The definition of a athelete is pretty broad this days but I heard the perfect definiton a couple of years back.

First you have to define what it is they do as a sport or a skill. I once heard that if you can smoke or drink while doing it than its a skill. Golf, Curling, and even some would say baseball is a skill.

If it is a skill then you are NOT an athelete!

CE

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CDMA ENG]Couldn’t be more true… You were a Ranger Allan… How many people did you know that got a performance drop because they couldn’t do one particular thing? They did well in everything else but couldn’t hack a run time or a swim time… But were fantastic in everything else? All of those guys were pretty much atheletes that failed because they weren’t well rounded.

CE[/quote]

CE: Good point regarding particular weaknesses, such as an inability to hack water training or Land Navigation (you’d be amazed at the number of guys that cannot figure basic fieldcraft out). Quite a few guys washed out of water training (the CWST, combat water survival test), including most of the inner city kids (white, black and Hispanic), who had never been around water and generally had never learned to swim. These are guys that are in incredible physical condition and do PT all day long, but water training sunk ’em (sorry, couldn’t resist).

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=CDMA ENG]Couldn’t be more true… You were a Ranger Allan… How many people did you know that got a performance drop because they couldn’t do one particular thing? They did well in everything else but couldn’t hack a run time or a swim time… But were fantastic in everything else? All of those guys were pretty much atheletes that failed because they weren’t well rounded.

CE[/quote]

CE: Good point regarding particular weaknesses, such as an inability to hack water training or Land Navigation (you’d be amazed at the number of guys that cannot figure basic fieldcraft out). Quite a few guys washed out of water training (the CWST, combat water survival test), including most of the inner city kids (white, black and Hispanic), who had never been around water and generally had never learned to swim. These are guys that are in incredible physical condition and do PT all day long, but water training sunk ’em (sorry, couldn’t resist).[/quote]

Funny you mentioned that. The SEALs just released a study and found that thier highest graduation rate was among water babies athletes. Swimmers and Water Polo was the highest. Guys who played football and baseball were among the lowest. It was all about comfort level in the water and if you have a problem with the “S” in SEAL… Well…

CE

CE

[afx114]

After this morning’s photo finish, how could you not be a fan of soccer?

[SD Transplant]

Goooalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

Outstanding job team USA……BRAVO

[SD Transplant]

Goooalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

Outstanding job team USA……BRAVO

[SD Transplant]

Goooalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

Outstanding job team USA……BRAVO

[SD Transplant]

Goooalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

Outstanding job team USA……BRAVO

[SD Transplant]

Goooalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll.

Outstanding job team USA……BRAVO

[afx114]

After this morning’s photo finish, how could you not be a fan of soccer?

[afx114]

After this morning’s photo finish, how could you not be a fan of soccer?

[afx114]

After this morning’s photo finish, how could you not be a fan of soccer?

[afx114]

After this morning’s photo finish, how could you not be a fan of soccer?

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=CDMA ENG]Couldn’t be more true… You were a Ranger Allan… How many people did you know that got a performance drop because they couldn’t do one particular thing? They did well in everything else but couldn’t hack a run time or a swim time… But were fantastic in everything else? All of those guys were pretty much atheletes that failed because they weren’t well rounded.

CE[/quote]

CE: Good point regarding particular weaknesses, such as an inability to hack water training or Land Navigation (you’d be amazed at the number of guys that cannot figure basic fieldcraft out). Quite a few guys washed out of water training (the CWST, combat water survival test), including most of the inner city kids (white, black and Hispanic), who had never been around water and generally had never learned to swim. These are guys that are in incredible physical condition and do PT all day long, but water training sunk ’em (sorry, couldn’t resist).[/quote]

Funny you mentioned that. The SEALs just released a study and found that thier highest graduation rate was among water babies athletes. Swimmers and Water Polo was the highest. Guys who played football and baseball were among the lowest. It was all about comfort level in the water and if you have a problem with the “S” in SEAL… Well…

CE

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=CDMA ENG]Couldn’t be more true… You were a Ranger Allan… How many people did you know that got a performance drop because they couldn’t do one particular thing? They did well in everything else but couldn’t hack a run time or a swim time… But were fantastic in everything else? All of those guys were pretty much atheletes that failed because they weren’t well rounded.

CE[/quote]

CE: Good point regarding particular weaknesses, such as an inability to hack water training or Land Navigation (you’d be amazed at the number of guys that cannot figure basic fieldcraft out). Quite a few guys washed out of water training (the CWST, combat water survival test), including most of the inner city kids (white, black and Hispanic), who had never been around water and generally had never learned to swim. These are guys that are in incredible physical condition and do PT all day long, but water training sunk ’em (sorry, couldn’t resist).[/quote]

Funny you mentioned that. The SEALs just released a study and found that thier highest graduation rate was among water babies athletes. Swimmers and Water Polo was the highest. Guys who played football and baseball were among the lowest. It was all about comfort level in the water and if you have a problem with the “S” in SEAL… Well…

CE

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=CDMA ENG]Couldn’t be more true… You were a Ranger Allan… How many people did you know that got a performance drop because they couldn’t do one particular thing? They did well in everything else but couldn’t hack a run time or a swim time… But were fantastic in everything else? All of those guys were pretty much atheletes that failed because they weren’t well rounded.

CE[/quote]

CE: Good point regarding particular weaknesses, such as an inability to hack water training or Land Navigation (you’d be amazed at the number of guys that cannot figure basic fieldcraft out). Quite a few guys washed out of water training (the CWST, combat water survival test), including most of the inner city kids (white, black and Hispanic), who had never been around water and generally had never learned to swim. These are guys that are in incredible physical condition and do PT all day long, but water training sunk ’em (sorry, couldn’t resist).[/quote]

Funny you mentioned that. The SEALs just released a study and found that thier highest graduation rate was among water babies athletes. Swimmers and Water Polo was the highest. Guys who played football and baseball were among the lowest. It was all about comfort level in the water and if you have a problem with the “S” in SEAL… Well…

CE

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=CDMA ENG]Couldn’t be more true… You were a Ranger Allan… How many people did you know that got a performance drop because they couldn’t do one particular thing? They did well in everything else but couldn’t hack a run time or a swim time… But were fantastic in everything else? All of those guys were pretty much atheletes that failed because they weren’t well rounded.

CE[/quote]

CE: Good point regarding particular weaknesses, such as an inability to hack water training or Land Navigation (you’d be amazed at the number of guys that cannot figure basic fieldcraft out). Quite a few guys washed out of water training (the CWST, combat water survival test), including most of the inner city kids (white, black and Hispanic), who had never been around water and generally had never learned to swim. These are guys that are in incredible physical condition and do PT all day long, but water training sunk ’em (sorry, couldn’t resist).[/quote]

Funny you mentioned that. The SEALs just released a study and found that thier highest graduation rate was among water babies athletes. Swimmers and Water Polo was the highest. Guys who played football and baseball were among the lowest. It was all about comfort level in the water and if you have a problem with the “S” in SEAL… Well…

CE

CE

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CDMA ENG]Couldn’t be more true… You were a Ranger Allan… How many people did you know that got a performance drop because they couldn’t do one particular thing? They did well in everything else but couldn’t hack a run time or a swim time… But were fantastic in everything else? All of those guys were pretty much atheletes that failed because they weren’t well rounded.

CE[/quote]

CE: Good point regarding particular weaknesses, such as an inability to hack water training or Land Navigation (you’d be amazed at the number of guys that cannot figure basic fieldcraft out). Quite a few guys washed out of water training (the CWST, combat water survival test), including most of the inner city kids (white, black and Hispanic), who had never been around water and generally had never learned to swim. These are guys that are in incredible physical condition and do PT all day long, but water training sunk ’em (sorry, couldn’t resist).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CDMA ENG]Couldn’t be more true… You were a Ranger Allan… How many people did you know that got a performance drop because they couldn’t do one particular thing? They did well in everything else but couldn’t hack a run time or a swim time… But were fantastic in everything else? All of those guys were pretty much atheletes that failed because they weren’t well rounded.

CE[/quote]

CE: Good point regarding particular weaknesses, such as an inability to hack water training or Land Navigation (you’d be amazed at the number of guys that cannot figure basic fieldcraft out). Quite a few guys washed out of water training (the CWST, combat water survival test), including most of the inner city kids (white, black and Hispanic), who had never been around water and generally had never learned to swim. These are guys that are in incredible physical condition and do PT all day long, but water training sunk ’em (sorry, couldn’t resist).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CDMA ENG]Couldn’t be more true… You were a Ranger Allan… How many people did you know that got a performance drop because they couldn’t do one particular thing? They did well in everything else but couldn’t hack a run time or a swim time… But were fantastic in everything else? All of those guys were pretty much atheletes that failed because they weren’t well rounded.

CE[/quote]

CE: Good point regarding particular weaknesses, such as an inability to hack water training or Land Navigation (you’d be amazed at the number of guys that cannot figure basic fieldcraft out). Quite a few guys washed out of water training (the CWST, combat water survival test), including most of the inner city kids (white, black and Hispanic), who had never been around water and generally had never learned to swim. These are guys that are in incredible physical condition and do PT all day long, but water training sunk ’em (sorry, couldn’t resist).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CDMA ENG]Couldn’t be more true… You were a Ranger Allan… How many people did you know that got a performance drop because they couldn’t do one particular thing? They did well in everything else but couldn’t hack a run time or a swim time… But were fantastic in everything else? All of those guys were pretty much atheletes that failed because they weren’t well rounded.

CE[/quote]

CE: Good point regarding particular weaknesses, such as an inability to hack water training or Land Navigation (you’d be amazed at the number of guys that cannot figure basic fieldcraft out). Quite a few guys washed out of water training (the CWST, combat water survival test), including most of the inner city kids (white, black and Hispanic), who had never been around water and generally had never learned to swim. These are guys that are in incredible physical condition and do PT all day long, but water training sunk ’em (sorry, couldn’t resist).

[sdduuuude]

Sports and Games according to the duuuude:

A “game” is pretty much any activity that involves scoring of some kind. (Not like Beavis and Butthead “huh, huh, huh, I’m gonna score.” I mean like keeping track of points, status, etc.).

A “competition” is a game with an objective set of rules to determine a winner. For me, this rules out figure skating and other such “subjective” judging. It also makes for gray areas. Gymnastics, has a pretty good set of clearly defined rules (2 flips better than 1. Landing on feet better than landing on butt), but still has some subjectivity. Even some sports with subjective refereeing are suspect. This is what drives me nuts about soccer. A race is clearly a competition. Nobody argues about who won a race.

An “athletic endeavor” is any activity (game, or not) that require strength, stamina, power, or speed. Again, there is some gray here. The more of the above that is required, the more something can be called athletic. Gymnastics is clearly an athletic endeavor. Football is clearly one as well. Baseball barely qualifies, even with the posted photos. Bowling is on the edge. It requires one strong arm and body strength helps. Race car driving is pretty far down the list, though it requires endurance. Chess is at the bottom. Chess is a great competition. Not a sport.

A “skill endeavour” is any activity that requires coordination, concentration, strategic thinking, timing, decision making, etc. Bowling – definitely a competition requiring skill. Running a race – not quite so much. There is some technique to running but it’s all about speed and power.

For me, a “sport” must be both an objective “competition” and an “athletic endeavor.” Gray areas make it difficult to draw the line, but it for me the line is always drawn on one of these two points.

So – take any activity and ask – “is it a competition ?” and “does it require athleticism” ? Answer yes to both and you have a sport. Answer “no” to either and you have something else: either a non-athletic competition or an athletic endeavor that is not a competiton. Or, just a game.

Separately, you can ask “does it require skill?” Answering yes or no doesn’t change the answer to the question of “is it a sport.” Some sports require significant skill in addtion to athletic ability. Some sports don’t.

Just because something is not a sport doesn’t mean it isn’t exciting to watch, and doesn’t mean it doesn’t belong on a Sports netowrk. TV Sports are all about competition. Great competitions, whether athletic or not, make for good viewing. They are, after all, the original reality TV.

[Zeitgeist]

So what about mud wrestling?

[sdduuuude]

[quote=Zeitgeist]So what about mud wrestling?[/quote]

Not a true competition because EVERYBODY wins !

[ibjames]

I’m not a fan of soccer, but I look forward to the world cup games. It is fun to see the whole world engaged in a sport. The olympics are neat, but the whole world isn’t watching the pole vaulting championship.

The whole world is watching this. That is what makes me want to watch it. I usually only tune in later in the game though. I’ve never watched a full game 🙁 They have a web feed going on at my work, when the US scored today I screamed from my cube, forgetting I was at work

[ibjames]

I’m not a fan of soccer, but I look forward to the world cup games. It is fun to see the whole world engaged in a sport. The olympics are neat, but the whole world isn’t watching the pole vaulting championship.

The whole world is watching this. That is what makes me want to watch it. I usually only tune in later in the game though. I’ve never watched a full game 🙁 They have a web feed going on at my work, when the US scored today I screamed from my cube, forgetting I was at work

[ibjames]

I’m not a fan of soccer, but I look forward to the world cup games. It is fun to see the whole world engaged in a sport. The olympics are neat, but the whole world isn’t watching the pole vaulting championship.

The whole world is watching this. That is what makes me want to watch it. I usually only tune in later in the game though. I’ve never watched a full game 🙁 They have a web feed going on at my work, when the US scored today I screamed from my cube, forgetting I was at work

[ibjames]

I’m not a fan of soccer, but I look forward to the world cup games. It is fun to see the whole world engaged in a sport. The olympics are neat, but the whole world isn’t watching the pole vaulting championship.

The whole world is watching this. That is what makes me want to watch it. I usually only tune in later in the game though. I’ve never watched a full game 🙁 They have a web feed going on at my work, when the US scored today I screamed from my cube, forgetting I was at work

[ibjames]

I’m not a fan of soccer, but I look forward to the world cup games. It is fun to see the whole world engaged in a sport. The olympics are neat, but the whole world isn’t watching the pole vaulting championship.

The whole world is watching this. That is what makes me want to watch it. I usually only tune in later in the game though. I’ve never watched a full game 🙁 They have a web feed going on at my work, when the US scored today I screamed from my cube, forgetting I was at work

[sdduuuude]

[quote=Zeitgeist]So what about mud wrestling?[/quote]

Not a true competition because EVERYBODY wins !

[sdduuuude]

[quote=Zeitgeist]So what about mud wrestling?[/quote]

Not a true competition because EVERYBODY wins !

[sdduuuude]

[quote=Zeitgeist]So what about mud wrestling?[/quote]

Not a true competition because EVERYBODY wins !

[sdduuuude]

[quote=Zeitgeist]So what about mud wrestling?[/quote]

Not a true competition because EVERYBODY wins !

[Zeitgeist]

So what about mud wrestling?

[Zeitgeist]

So what about mud wrestling?

[Zeitgeist]

So what about mud wrestling?

[Zeitgeist]

So what about mud wrestling?

[sdduuuude]

Sports and Games according to the duuuude:

A “game” is pretty much any activity that involves scoring of some kind. (Not like Beavis and Butthead “huh, huh, huh, I’m gonna score.” I mean like keeping track of points, status, etc.).

A “competition” is a game with an objective set of rules to determine a winner. For me, this rules out figure skating and other such “subjective” judging. It also makes for gray areas. Gymnastics, has a pretty good set of clearly defined rules (2 flips better than 1. Landing on feet better than landing on butt), but still has some subjectivity. Even some sports with subjective refereeing are suspect. This is what drives me nuts about soccer. A race is clearly a competition. Nobody argues about who won a race.

An “athletic endeavor” is any activity (game, or not) that require strength, stamina, power, or speed. Again, there is some gray here. The more of the above that is required, the more something can be called athletic. Gymnastics is clearly an athletic endeavor. Football is clearly one as well. Baseball barely qualifies, even with the posted photos. Bowling is on the edge. It requires one strong arm and body strength helps. Race car driving is pretty far down the list, though it requires endurance. Chess is at the bottom. Chess is a great competition. Not a sport.

A “skill endeavour” is any activity that requires coordination, concentration, strategic thinking, timing, decision making, etc. Bowling – definitely a competition requiring skill. Running a race – not quite so much. There is some technique to running but it’s all about speed and power.

For me, a “sport” must be both an objective “competition” and an “athletic endeavor.” Gray areas make it difficult to draw the line, but it for me the line is always drawn on one of these two points.

So – take any activity and ask – “is it a competition ?” and “does it require athleticism” ? Answer yes to both and you have a sport. Answer “no” to either and you have something else: either a non-athletic competition or an athletic endeavor that is not a competiton. Or, just a game.

Separately, you can ask “does it require skill?” Answering yes or no doesn’t change the answer to the question of “is it a sport.” Some sports require significant skill in addtion to athletic ability. Some sports don’t.

Just because something is not a sport doesn’t mean it isn’t exciting to watch, and doesn’t mean it doesn’t belong on a Sports netowrk. TV Sports are all about competition. Great competitions, whether athletic or not, make for good viewing. They are, after all, the original reality TV.

[sdduuuude]

Sports and Games according to the duuuude:

A “game” is pretty much any activity that involves scoring of some kind. (Not like Beavis and Butthead “huh, huh, huh, I’m gonna score.” I mean like keeping track of points, status, etc.).

A “competition” is a game with an objective set of rules to determine a winner. For me, this rules out figure skating and other such “subjective” judging. It also makes for gray areas. Gymnastics, has a pretty good set of clearly defined rules (2 flips better than 1. Landing on feet better than landing on butt), but still has some subjectivity. Even some sports with subjective refereeing are suspect. This is what drives me nuts about soccer. A race is clearly a competition. Nobody argues about who won a race.

An “athletic endeavor” is any activity (game, or not) that require strength, stamina, power, or speed. Again, there is some gray here. The more of the above that is required, the more something can be called athletic. Gymnastics is clearly an athletic endeavor. Football is clearly one as well. Baseball barely qualifies, even with the posted photos. Bowling is on the edge. It requires one strong arm and body strength helps. Race car driving is pretty far down the list, though it requires endurance. Chess is at the bottom. Chess is a great competition. Not a sport.

A “skill endeavour” is any activity that requires coordination, concentration, strategic thinking, timing, decision making, etc. Bowling – definitely a competition requiring skill. Running a race – not quite so much. There is some technique to running but it’s all about speed and power.

For me, a “sport” must be both an objective “competition” and an “athletic endeavor.” Gray areas make it difficult to draw the line, but it for me the line is always drawn on one of these two points.

So – take any activity and ask – “is it a competition ?” and “does it require athleticism” ? Answer yes to both and you have a sport. Answer “no” to either and you have something else: either a non-athletic competition or an athletic endeavor that is not a competiton. Or, just a game.

Separately, you can ask “does it require skill?” Answering yes or no doesn’t change the answer to the question of “is it a sport.” Some sports require significant skill in addtion to athletic ability. Some sports don’t.

Just because something is not a sport doesn’t mean it isn’t exciting to watch, and doesn’t mean it doesn’t belong on a Sports netowrk. TV Sports are all about competition. Great competitions, whether athletic or not, make for good viewing. They are, after all, the original reality TV.

[sdduuuude]

Sports and Games according to the duuuude:

A “game” is pretty much any activity that involves scoring of some kind. (Not like Beavis and Butthead “huh, huh, huh, I’m gonna score.” I mean like keeping track of points, status, etc.).

A “competition” is a game with an objective set of rules to determine a winner. For me, this rules out figure skating and other such “subjective” judging. It also makes for gray areas. Gymnastics, has a pretty good set of clearly defined rules (2 flips better than 1. Landing on feet better than landing on butt), but still has some subjectivity. Even some sports with subjective refereeing are suspect. This is what drives me nuts about soccer. A race is clearly a competition. Nobody argues about who won a race.

An “athletic endeavor” is any activity (game, or not) that require strength, stamina, power, or speed. Again, there is some gray here. The more of the above that is required, the more something can be called athletic. Gymnastics is clearly an athletic endeavor. Football is clearly one as well. Baseball barely qualifies, even with the posted photos. Bowling is on the edge. It requires one strong arm and body strength helps. Race car driving is pretty far down the list, though it requires endurance. Chess is at the bottom. Chess is a great competition. Not a sport.

A “skill endeavour” is any activity that requires coordination, concentration, strategic thinking, timing, decision making, etc. Bowling – definitely a competition requiring skill. Running a race – not quite so much. There is some technique to running but it’s all about speed and power.

For me, a “sport” must be both an objective “competition” and an “athletic endeavor.” Gray areas make it difficult to draw the line, but it for me the line is always drawn on one of these two points.

So – take any activity and ask – “is it a competition ?” and “does it require athleticism” ? Answer yes to both and you have a sport. Answer “no” to either and you have something else: either a non-athletic competition or an athletic endeavor that is not a competiton. Or, just a game.

Separately, you can ask “does it require skill?” Answering yes or no doesn’t change the answer to the question of “is it a sport.” Some sports require significant skill in addtion to athletic ability. Some sports don’t.

Just because something is not a sport doesn’t mean it isn’t exciting to watch, and doesn’t mean it doesn’t belong on a Sports netowrk. TV Sports are all about competition. Great competitions, whether athletic or not, make for good viewing. They are, after all, the original reality TV.

[sdduuuude]

Sports and Games according to the duuuude:

A “game” is pretty much any activity that involves scoring of some kind. (Not like Beavis and Butthead “huh, huh, huh, I’m gonna score.” I mean like keeping track of points, status, etc.).

A “competition” is a game with an objective set of rules to determine a winner. For me, this rules out figure skating and other such “subjective” judging. It also makes for gray areas. Gymnastics, has a pretty good set of clearly defined rules (2 flips better than 1. Landing on feet better than landing on butt), but still has some subjectivity. Even some sports with subjective refereeing are suspect. This is what drives me nuts about soccer. A race is clearly a competition. Nobody argues about who won a race.

An “athletic endeavor” is any activity (game, or not) that require strength, stamina, power, or speed. Again, there is some gray here. The more of the above that is required, the more something can be called athletic. Gymnastics is clearly an athletic endeavor. Football is clearly one as well. Baseball barely qualifies, even with the posted photos. Bowling is on the edge. It requires one strong arm and body strength helps. Race car driving is pretty far down the list, though it requires endurance. Chess is at the bottom. Chess is a great competition. Not a sport.

A “skill endeavour” is any activity that requires coordination, concentration, strategic thinking, timing, decision making, etc. Bowling – definitely a competition requiring skill. Running a race – not quite so much. There is some technique to running but it’s all about speed and power.

For me, a “sport” must be both an objective “competition” and an “athletic endeavor.” Gray areas make it difficult to draw the line, but it for me the line is always drawn on one of these two points.

So – take any activity and ask – “is it a competition ?” and “does it require athleticism” ? Answer yes to both and you have a sport. Answer “no” to either and you have something else: either a non-athletic competition or an athletic endeavor that is not a competiton. Or, just a game.

Separately, you can ask “does it require skill?” Answering yes or no doesn’t change the answer to the question of “is it a sport.” Some sports require significant skill in addtion to athletic ability. Some sports don’t.

Just because something is not a sport doesn’t mean it isn’t exciting to watch, and doesn’t mean it doesn’t belong on a Sports netowrk. TV Sports are all about competition. Great competitions, whether athletic or not, make for good viewing. They are, after all, the original reality TV.

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]Funny or sad…I don’t know.A good portion of the guys of an average high school football team can not beat the average “non-athlete” from the same school in the decathlon. Many of the girls would beat them. I guess with the plumping up of America that might not be true today, but it was when I was a kid. Good thing they had separate PE classes for athletes because a lot of them would get smoked by average guys in a multi-sport PE class… The fastest miler and half miler also tends to under perform in other athletic endeavors, but they are elite for what they do relative to the school population. The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

Disclaimer: I wasn’t that fastest miler or a lineman at my school.[/quote]

Russell: Nope, you’re right. A good portion of our offensive line was “excused” when we used to do stadium runs (up and down the stairs at our field), namely because they couldn’t hack it.

However, the linebackers, defensive backs and offensive skill position players all participated in other sports, including Track & Field, baseball and wrestling. I don’t know about your high school’s wrestling program, but ours was physically brutal, including a huge amount of “roadwork” (i.e. distance running) and weight lifting. I knew a lot of guys from the cross-country and swim teams because I ran and swam with them (I swam rather than ran whenever I could because it was less punishing on the knees).[/quote]

Couldn’t be more true… You were a Ranger Allan… How many people did you know that got a performance drop because they couldn’t do one particular thing? They did well in everything else but couldn’t hack a run time or a swim time… But were fantastic in everything else? All of those guys were pretty much atheletes that failed because they weren’t well rounded.

The definition of a athelete is pretty broad this days but I heard the perfect definiton a couple of years back.

First you have to define what it is they do as a sport or a skill. I once heard that if you can smoke or drink while doing it than its a skill. Golf, Curling, and even some would say baseball is a skill.

If it is a skill then you are NOT an athelete!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]Funny or sad…I don’t know.A good portion of the guys of an average high school football team can not beat the average “non-athlete” from the same school in the decathlon. Many of the girls would beat them. I guess with the plumping up of America that might not be true today, but it was when I was a kid. Good thing they had separate PE classes for athletes because a lot of them would get smoked by average guys in a multi-sport PE class… The fastest miler and half miler also tends to under perform in other athletic endeavors, but they are elite for what they do relative to the school population. The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

Disclaimer: I wasn’t that fastest miler or a lineman at my school.[/quote]

Russell: Nope, you’re right. A good portion of our offensive line was “excused” when we used to do stadium runs (up and down the stairs at our field), namely because they couldn’t hack it.

However, the linebackers, defensive backs and offensive skill position players all participated in other sports, including Track & Field, baseball and wrestling. I don’t know about your high school’s wrestling program, but ours was physically brutal, including a huge amount of “roadwork” (i.e. distance running) and weight lifting. I knew a lot of guys from the cross-country and swim teams because I ran and swam with them (I swam rather than ran whenever I could because it was less punishing on the knees).[/quote]

Couldn’t be more true… You were a Ranger Allan… How many people did you know that got a performance drop because they couldn’t do one particular thing? They did well in everything else but couldn’t hack a run time or a swim time… But were fantastic in everything else? All of those guys were pretty much atheletes that failed because they weren’t well rounded.

The definition of a athelete is pretty broad this days but I heard the perfect definiton a couple of years back.

First you have to define what it is they do as a sport or a skill. I once heard that if you can smoke or drink while doing it than its a skill. Golf, Curling, and even some would say baseball is a skill.

If it is a skill then you are NOT an athelete!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]Funny or sad…I don’t know.A good portion of the guys of an average high school football team can not beat the average “non-athlete” from the same school in the decathlon. Many of the girls would beat them. I guess with the plumping up of America that might not be true today, but it was when I was a kid. Good thing they had separate PE classes for athletes because a lot of them would get smoked by average guys in a multi-sport PE class… The fastest miler and half miler also tends to under perform in other athletic endeavors, but they are elite for what they do relative to the school population. The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

Disclaimer: I wasn’t that fastest miler or a lineman at my school.[/quote]

Russell: Nope, you’re right. A good portion of our offensive line was “excused” when we used to do stadium runs (up and down the stairs at our field), namely because they couldn’t hack it.

However, the linebackers, defensive backs and offensive skill position players all participated in other sports, including Track & Field, baseball and wrestling. I don’t know about your high school’s wrestling program, but ours was physically brutal, including a huge amount of “roadwork” (i.e. distance running) and weight lifting. I knew a lot of guys from the cross-country and swim teams because I ran and swam with them (I swam rather than ran whenever I could because it was less punishing on the knees).[/quote]

Couldn’t be more true… You were a Ranger Allan… How many people did you know that got a performance drop because they couldn’t do one particular thing? They did well in everything else but couldn’t hack a run time or a swim time… But were fantastic in everything else? All of those guys were pretty much atheletes that failed because they weren’t well rounded.

The definition of a athelete is pretty broad this days but I heard the perfect definiton a couple of years back.

First you have to define what it is they do as a sport or a skill. I once heard that if you can smoke or drink while doing it than its a skill. Golf, Curling, and even some would say baseball is a skill.

If it is a skill then you are NOT an athelete!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=Russell]Funny or sad…I don’t know.A good portion of the guys of an average high school football team can not beat the average “non-athlete” from the same school in the decathlon. Many of the girls would beat them. I guess with the plumping up of America that might not be true today, but it was when I was a kid. Good thing they had separate PE classes for athletes because a lot of them would get smoked by average guys in a multi-sport PE class… The fastest miler and half miler also tends to under perform in other athletic endeavors, but they are elite for what they do relative to the school population. The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

Disclaimer: I wasn’t that fastest miler or a lineman at my school.[/quote]

Russell: Nope, you’re right. A good portion of our offensive line was “excused” when we used to do stadium runs (up and down the stairs at our field), namely because they couldn’t hack it.

However, the linebackers, defensive backs and offensive skill position players all participated in other sports, including Track & Field, baseball and wrestling. I don’t know about your high school’s wrestling program, but ours was physically brutal, including a huge amount of “roadwork” (i.e. distance running) and weight lifting. I knew a lot of guys from the cross-country and swim teams because I ran and swam with them (I swam rather than ran whenever I could because it was less punishing on the knees).[/quote]

Couldn’t be more true… You were a Ranger Allan… How many people did you know that got a performance drop because they couldn’t do one particular thing? They did well in everything else but couldn’t hack a run time or a swim time… But were fantastic in everything else? All of those guys were pretty much atheletes that failed because they weren’t well rounded.

The definition of a athelete is pretty broad this days but I heard the perfect definiton a couple of years back.

First you have to define what it is they do as a sport or a skill. I once heard that if you can smoke or drink while doing it than its a skill. Golf, Curling, and even some would say baseball is a skill.

If it is a skill then you are NOT an athelete!

CE

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]Funny or sad…I don’t know.A good portion of the guys of an average high school football team can not beat the average “non-athlete” from the same school in the decathlon. Many of the girls would beat them. I guess with the plumping up of America that might not be true today, but it was when I was a kid. Good thing they had separate PE classes for athletes because a lot of them would get smoked by average guys in a multi-sport PE class… The fastest miler and half miler also tends to under perform in other athletic endeavors, but they are elite for what they do relative to the school population. The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

Disclaimer: I wasn’t that fastest miler or a lineman at my school.[/quote]

Russell: Nope, you’re right. A good portion of our offensive line was “excused” when we used to do stadium runs (up and down the stairs at our field), namely because they couldn’t hack it.

However, the linebackers, defensive backs and offensive skill position players all participated in other sports, including Track & Field, baseball and wrestling. I don’t know about your high school’s wrestling program, but ours was physically brutal, including a huge amount of “roadwork” (i.e. distance running) and weight lifting. I knew a lot of guys from the cross-country and swim teams because I ran and swam with them (I swam rather than ran whenever I could because it was less punishing on the knees).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]Funny or sad…I don’t know.A good portion of the guys of an average high school football team can not beat the average “non-athlete” from the same school in the decathlon. Many of the girls would beat them. I guess with the plumping up of America that might not be true today, but it was when I was a kid. Good thing they had separate PE classes for athletes because a lot of them would get smoked by average guys in a multi-sport PE class… The fastest miler and half miler also tends to under perform in other athletic endeavors, but they are elite for what they do relative to the school population. The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

Disclaimer: I wasn’t that fastest miler or a lineman at my school.[/quote]

Russell: Nope, you’re right. A good portion of our offensive line was “excused” when we used to do stadium runs (up and down the stairs at our field), namely because they couldn’t hack it.

However, the linebackers, defensive backs and offensive skill position players all participated in other sports, including Track & Field, baseball and wrestling. I don’t know about your high school’s wrestling program, but ours was physically brutal, including a huge amount of “roadwork” (i.e. distance running) and weight lifting. I knew a lot of guys from the cross-country and swim teams because I ran and swam with them (I swam rather than ran whenever I could because it was less punishing on the knees).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]Funny or sad…I don’t know.A good portion of the guys of an average high school football team can not beat the average “non-athlete” from the same school in the decathlon. Many of the girls would beat them. I guess with the plumping up of America that might not be true today, but it was when I was a kid. Good thing they had separate PE classes for athletes because a lot of them would get smoked by average guys in a multi-sport PE class… The fastest miler and half miler also tends to under perform in other athletic endeavors, but they are elite for what they do relative to the school population. The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

Disclaimer: I wasn’t that fastest miler or a lineman at my school.[/quote]

Russell: Nope, you’re right. A good portion of our offensive line was “excused” when we used to do stadium runs (up and down the stairs at our field), namely because they couldn’t hack it.

However, the linebackers, defensive backs and offensive skill position players all participated in other sports, including Track & Field, baseball and wrestling. I don’t know about your high school’s wrestling program, but ours was physically brutal, including a huge amount of “roadwork” (i.e. distance running) and weight lifting. I knew a lot of guys from the cross-country and swim teams because I ran and swam with them (I swam rather than ran whenever I could because it was less punishing on the knees).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]Funny or sad…I don’t know.A good portion of the guys of an average high school football team can not beat the average “non-athlete” from the same school in the decathlon. Many of the girls would beat them. I guess with the plumping up of America that might not be true today, but it was when I was a kid. Good thing they had separate PE classes for athletes because a lot of them would get smoked by average guys in a multi-sport PE class… The fastest miler and half miler also tends to under perform in other athletic endeavors, but they are elite for what they do relative to the school population. The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

Disclaimer: I wasn’t that fastest miler or a lineman at my school.[/quote]

Russell: Nope, you’re right. A good portion of our offensive line was “excused” when we used to do stadium runs (up and down the stairs at our field), namely because they couldn’t hack it.

However, the linebackers, defensive backs and offensive skill position players all participated in other sports, including Track & Field, baseball and wrestling. I don’t know about your high school’s wrestling program, but ours was physically brutal, including a huge amount of “roadwork” (i.e. distance running) and weight lifting. I knew a lot of guys from the cross-country and swim teams because I ran and swam with them (I swam rather than ran whenever I could because it was less punishing on the knees).

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

[/quote]

Russell: Also, that was probably true when you were in HS, or I was in HS, but not anymore. The “plumping” you refer to isn’t evident at the youth football level (where kids have to conform to weight limits) and the off-season workout programs are extremely demanding. My son, who is an offensive and defensive lineman, participates in the Prodigy program, which stresses not only wind endurance, but footwork, agility and “burst” speed. Football has grown ever faster and more complex and the kids playing it successfully now are specimens.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

[/quote]

Russell: Also, that was probably true when you were in HS, or I was in HS, but not anymore. The “plumping” you refer to isn’t evident at the youth football level (where kids have to conform to weight limits) and the off-season workout programs are extremely demanding. My son, who is an offensive and defensive lineman, participates in the Prodigy program, which stresses not only wind endurance, but footwork, agility and “burst” speed. Football has grown ever faster and more complex and the kids playing it successfully now are specimens.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

[/quote]

Russell: Also, that was probably true when you were in HS, or I was in HS, but not anymore. The “plumping” you refer to isn’t evident at the youth football level (where kids have to conform to weight limits) and the off-season workout programs are extremely demanding. My son, who is an offensive and defensive lineman, participates in the Prodigy program, which stresses not only wind endurance, but footwork, agility and “burst” speed. Football has grown ever faster and more complex and the kids playing it successfully now are specimens.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

[/quote]

Russell: Also, that was probably true when you were in HS, or I was in HS, but not anymore. The “plumping” you refer to isn’t evident at the youth football level (where kids have to conform to weight limits) and the off-season workout programs are extremely demanding. My son, who is an offensive and defensive lineman, participates in the Prodigy program, which stresses not only wind endurance, but footwork, agility and “burst” speed. Football has grown ever faster and more complex and the kids playing it successfully now are specimens.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=Russell]The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

[/quote]

Russell: Also, that was probably true when you were in HS, or I was in HS, but not anymore. The “plumping” you refer to isn’t evident at the youth football level (where kids have to conform to weight limits) and the off-season workout programs are extremely demanding. My son, who is an offensive and defensive lineman, participates in the Prodigy program, which stresses not only wind endurance, but footwork, agility and “burst” speed. Football has grown ever faster and more complex and the kids playing it successfully now are specimens.

[NotCranky]

[quote=sdduuuude]I hate to say it, but those photos of famous american athletes is pretty damn funny. Still, I continue to be open-jawed by brian’s and Iforget’s inability to play nice with others in a thread where we are just talking about sports.[/quote]
Funny or sad…I don’t know.A good portion of the guys of an average high school football team can not beat the average “non-athlete” from the same school in the decathlon. Many of the girls would beat them. I guess with the plumping up of America that might not be true today, but it was when I was a kid. Good thing they had separate PE classes for athletes because a lot of them would get smoked by average guys in a multi-sport PE class… The fastest miler and half miler also tends to under perform in other athletic endeavors, but they are elite for what they do relative to the school population. The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

Disclaimer: I wasn’t that fastest miler or a lineman at my school.

[NotCranky]

[quote=sdduuuude]I hate to say it, but those photos of famous american athletes is pretty damn funny. Still, I continue to be open-jawed by brian’s and Iforget’s inability to play nice with others in a thread where we are just talking about sports.[/quote]
Funny or sad…I don’t know.A good portion of the guys of an average high school football team can not beat the average “non-athlete” from the same school in the decathlon. Many of the girls would beat them. I guess with the plumping up of America that might not be true today, but it was when I was a kid. Good thing they had separate PE classes for athletes because a lot of them would get smoked by average guys in a multi-sport PE class… The fastest miler and half miler also tends to under perform in other athletic endeavors, but they are elite for what they do relative to the school population. The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

Disclaimer: I wasn’t that fastest miler or a lineman at my school.

[NotCranky]

[quote=sdduuuude]I hate to say it, but those photos of famous american athletes is pretty damn funny. Still, I continue to be open-jawed by brian’s and Iforget’s inability to play nice with others in a thread where we are just talking about sports.[/quote]
Funny or sad…I don’t know.A good portion of the guys of an average high school football team can not beat the average “non-athlete” from the same school in the decathlon. Many of the girls would beat them. I guess with the plumping up of America that might not be true today, but it was when I was a kid. Good thing they had separate PE classes for athletes because a lot of them would get smoked by average guys in a multi-sport PE class… The fastest miler and half miler also tends to under perform in other athletic endeavors, but they are elite for what they do relative to the school population. The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

Disclaimer: I wasn’t that fastest miler or a lineman at my school.

[NotCranky]

[quote=sdduuuude]I hate to say it, but those photos of famous american athletes is pretty damn funny. Still, I continue to be open-jawed by brian’s and Iforget’s inability to play nice with others in a thread where we are just talking about sports.[/quote]
Funny or sad…I don’t know.A good portion of the guys of an average high school football team can not beat the average “non-athlete” from the same school in the decathlon. Many of the girls would beat them. I guess with the plumping up of America that might not be true today, but it was when I was a kid. Good thing they had separate PE classes for athletes because a lot of them would get smoked by average guys in a multi-sport PE class… The fastest miler and half miler also tends to under perform in other athletic endeavors, but they are elite for what they do relative to the school population. The miler is more looked at like a geek, simply because he is skinny and not fat enough to be on the football team. The fastest miler would probably beat a lot of his football playing classmates in the decathlon and the soccer players certainly would.

Disclaimer: I wasn’t that fastest miler or a lineman at my school.

[desmond]

Yes, a picture of Chris Farley imitating John Kruk on Saturday Night Live is funny:

http://snlarc.jt.org/imp.php?i=1031

How’s the French team doing, i forgot, they are going home, disgraced. That is funny.

[afx114]

[afx114]

[afx114]

[afx114]

[afx114]

[desmond]

Yes, a picture of Chris Farley imitating John Kruk on Saturday Night Live is funny:

http://snlarc.jt.org/imp.php?i=1031

How’s the French team doing, i forgot, they are going home, disgraced. That is funny.

[desmond]

Yes, a picture of Chris Farley imitating John Kruk on Saturday Night Live is funny:

http://snlarc.jt.org/imp.php?i=1031

How’s the French team doing, i forgot, they are going home, disgraced. That is funny.

[desmond]

Yes, a picture of Chris Farley imitating John Kruk on Saturday Night Live is funny:

http://snlarc.jt.org/imp.php?i=1031

How’s the French team doing, i forgot, they are going home, disgraced. That is funny.

[desmond]

Yes, a picture of Chris Farley imitating John Kruk on Saturday Night Live is funny:

http://snlarc.jt.org/imp.php?i=1031

How’s the French team doing, i forgot, they are going home, disgraced. That is funny.

[sdduuuude]

I hate to say it, but those photos of famous american athletes is pretty damn funny. Still, I continue to be open-jawed by brian’s and Iforget’s inability to play nice with others in a thread where we are just talking about sports.

[sdduuuude]

I hate to say it, but those photos of famous american athletes is pretty damn funny. Still, I continue to be open-jawed by brian’s and Iforget’s inability to play nice with others in a thread where we are just talking about sports.

[sdduuuude]

I hate to say it, but those photos of famous american athletes is pretty damn funny. Still, I continue to be open-jawed by brian’s and Iforget’s inability to play nice with others in a thread where we are just talking about sports.

[sdduuuude]

I hate to say it, but those photos of famous american athletes is pretty damn funny. Still, I continue to be open-jawed by brian’s and Iforget’s inability to play nice with others in a thread where we are just talking about sports.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
So, yeah, soccer is clearly superior to ALL American sports, and one clearly needs to be a sophisticated bon vivant to appreciate it. You know, as opposed to a stupid, racist, corrupt and fat American.[/quote]

Who said anything about stupid, racist and corrupt?

You seem to have issues there.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
So, yeah, soccer is clearly superior to ALL American sports, and one clearly needs to be a sophisticated bon vivant to appreciate it. You know, as opposed to a stupid, racist, corrupt and fat American.[/quote]

Who said anything about stupid, racist and corrupt?

You seem to have issues there.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
So, yeah, soccer is clearly superior to ALL American sports, and one clearly needs to be a sophisticated bon vivant to appreciate it. You know, as opposed to a stupid, racist, corrupt and fat American.[/quote]

Who said anything about stupid, racist and corrupt?

You seem to have issues there.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
So, yeah, soccer is clearly superior to ALL American sports, and one clearly needs to be a sophisticated bon vivant to appreciate it. You know, as opposed to a stupid, racist, corrupt and fat American.[/quote]

Who said anything about stupid, racist and corrupt?

You seem to have issues there.

[briansd1]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]
So, yeah, soccer is clearly superior to ALL American sports, and one clearly needs to be a sophisticated bon vivant to appreciate it. You know, as opposed to a stupid, racist, corrupt and fat American.[/quote]

Who said anything about stupid, racist and corrupt?

You seem to have issues there.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]Sophisticated? Hilarious.

Look I am doing my part. My foreign born wife was just impressed that I understood what it took for my Americanos to advance (win and in, or various other scenarios). My guess is you wouldn’t understand the implications of the West Coast offense vs. standard drop back.

No matter I really freakin’ hate comparing sports. Either a sport stands on its own or it doesn’t. There are very kids out there who actually learn how to hit a baseball who think it’s boring.

I am fine with World Cup right now it’s a nice diversion since the NBA (greatest overall athletes on the planet in my opinion) is over, baseball is in early stages and football camps are just getting underway. Perfect time for some world cup action. College baseball and that damn “ting” is not that appealing other than deciding whether I should push the kids a little harder to play post-high school.

I guess we are going to have to say screwing with the refs has become an art form. Maybe FIFA can consider adding another referee to the field?[/quote]

Cardiff: Dude. You’re arguing with a troll, and an ill-informed one at that. This particular troll posts inflammatory little missives designed to goad you into an emotional response and then vilifies you when you attempt to respond intelligently.

Football (or baseball or basketball) versus soccer is a non-issue. Everyone enjoys watching their own favorite sports and, let’s face it, for an athlete to perform at that level, regardless of sport, demands tremendous dedication and physicality (watching even a few minutes of the NFL combine would suffice to make this point). As far as the particular fanaticism that comes with American football, well, like you said, if you’ve ever played and/or coached, you’d understand it viscerally.

His mention of the word “hooligan” is especially funny, though, given that the term “soccer hooligan” is instantly recognizable to fans the world over: http://www.sirc.org/publik/football_violence.html (excellent paper on soccer hooliganism from Social Issues Research Center) and from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism

As far as soccer’s “superiority”, let’s not forget the virulent racism: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1798795,00.html, or the cheerful little neo-Nazis::http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1798795,00.html

And, of course, there’s FIFA, one of the most scandal plagued organizations in modern sports: http://www.playthegame.org/knowledge-bank/articles/ripping-up-soccer-the-story-behind-the-fifa-scandals-1017.html

So, yeah, soccer is clearly superior to ALL American sports, and one clearly needs to be a sophisticated bon vivant to appreciate it. You know, as opposed to a stupid, racist, corrupt and fat American.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]Sophisticated? Hilarious.

Look I am doing my part. My foreign born wife was just impressed that I understood what it took for my Americanos to advance (win and in, or various other scenarios). My guess is you wouldn’t understand the implications of the West Coast offense vs. standard drop back.

No matter I really freakin’ hate comparing sports. Either a sport stands on its own or it doesn’t. There are very kids out there who actually learn how to hit a baseball who think it’s boring.

I am fine with World Cup right now it’s a nice diversion since the NBA (greatest overall athletes on the planet in my opinion) is over, baseball is in early stages and football camps are just getting underway. Perfect time for some world cup action. College baseball and that damn “ting” is not that appealing other than deciding whether I should push the kids a little harder to play post-high school.

I guess we are going to have to say screwing with the refs has become an art form. Maybe FIFA can consider adding another referee to the field?[/quote]

Cardiff: Dude. You’re arguing with a troll, and an ill-informed one at that. This particular troll posts inflammatory little missives designed to goad you into an emotional response and then vilifies you when you attempt to respond intelligently.

Football (or baseball or basketball) versus soccer is a non-issue. Everyone enjoys watching their own favorite sports and, let’s face it, for an athlete to perform at that level, regardless of sport, demands tremendous dedication and physicality (watching even a few minutes of the NFL combine would suffice to make this point). As far as the particular fanaticism that comes with American football, well, like you said, if you’ve ever played and/or coached, you’d understand it viscerally.

His mention of the word “hooligan” is especially funny, though, given that the term “soccer hooligan” is instantly recognizable to fans the world over: http://www.sirc.org/publik/football_violence.html (excellent paper on soccer hooliganism from Social Issues Research Center) and from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism

As far as soccer’s “superiority”, let’s not forget the virulent racism: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1798795,00.html, or the cheerful little neo-Nazis::http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1798795,00.html

And, of course, there’s FIFA, one of the most scandal plagued organizations in modern sports: http://www.playthegame.org/knowledge-bank/articles/ripping-up-soccer-the-story-behind-the-fifa-scandals-1017.html

So, yeah, soccer is clearly superior to ALL American sports, and one clearly needs to be a sophisticated bon vivant to appreciate it. You know, as opposed to a stupid, racist, corrupt and fat American.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]Sophisticated? Hilarious.

Look I am doing my part. My foreign born wife was just impressed that I understood what it took for my Americanos to advance (win and in, or various other scenarios). My guess is you wouldn’t understand the implications of the West Coast offense vs. standard drop back.

No matter I really freakin’ hate comparing sports. Either a sport stands on its own or it doesn’t. There are very kids out there who actually learn how to hit a baseball who think it’s boring.

I am fine with World Cup right now it’s a nice diversion since the NBA (greatest overall athletes on the planet in my opinion) is over, baseball is in early stages and football camps are just getting underway. Perfect time for some world cup action. College baseball and that damn “ting” is not that appealing other than deciding whether I should push the kids a little harder to play post-high school.

I guess we are going to have to say screwing with the refs has become an art form. Maybe FIFA can consider adding another referee to the field?[/quote]

Cardiff: Dude. You’re arguing with a troll, and an ill-informed one at that. This particular troll posts inflammatory little missives designed to goad you into an emotional response and then vilifies you when you attempt to respond intelligently.

Football (or baseball or basketball) versus soccer is a non-issue. Everyone enjoys watching their own favorite sports and, let’s face it, for an athlete to perform at that level, regardless of sport, demands tremendous dedication and physicality (watching even a few minutes of the NFL combine would suffice to make this point). As far as the particular fanaticism that comes with American football, well, like you said, if you’ve ever played and/or coached, you’d understand it viscerally.

His mention of the word “hooligan” is especially funny, though, given that the term “soccer hooligan” is instantly recognizable to fans the world over: http://www.sirc.org/publik/football_violence.html (excellent paper on soccer hooliganism from Social Issues Research Center) and from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism

As far as soccer’s “superiority”, let’s not forget the virulent racism: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1798795,00.html, or the cheerful little neo-Nazis::http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1798795,00.html

And, of course, there’s FIFA, one of the most scandal plagued organizations in modern sports: http://www.playthegame.org/knowledge-bank/articles/ripping-up-soccer-the-story-behind-the-fifa-scandals-1017.html

So, yeah, soccer is clearly superior to ALL American sports, and one clearly needs to be a sophisticated bon vivant to appreciate it. You know, as opposed to a stupid, racist, corrupt and fat American.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=CardiffBaseball]Sophisticated? Hilarious.

Look I am doing my part. My foreign born wife was just impressed that I understood what it took for my Americanos to advance (win and in, or various other scenarios). My guess is you wouldn’t understand the implications of the West Coast offense vs. standard drop back.

No matter I really freakin’ hate comparing sports. Either a sport stands on its own or it doesn’t. There are very kids out there who actually learn how to hit a baseball who think it’s boring.

I am fine with World Cup right now it’s a nice diversion since the NBA (greatest overall athletes on the planet in my opinion) is over, baseball is in early stages and football camps are just getting underway. Perfect time for some world cup action. College baseball and that damn “ting” is not that appealing other than deciding whether I should push the kids a little harder to play post-high school.

I guess we are going to have to say screwing with the refs has become an art form. Maybe FIFA can consider adding another referee to the field?[/quote]

Cardiff: Dude. You’re arguing with a troll, and an ill-informed one at that. This particular troll posts inflammatory little missives designed to goad you into an emotional response and then vilifies you when you attempt to respond intelligently.

Football (or baseball or basketball) versus soccer is a non-issue. Everyone enjoys watching their own favorite sports and, let’s face it, for an athlete to perform at that level, regardless of sport, demands tremendous dedication and physicality (watching even a few minutes of the NFL combine would suffice to make this point). As far as the particular fanaticism that comes with American football, well, like you said, if you’ve ever played and/or coached, you’d understand it viscerally.

His mention of the word “hooligan” is especially funny, though, given that the term “soccer hooligan” is instantly recognizable to fans the world over: http://www.sirc.org/publik/football_violence.html (excellent paper on soccer hooliganism from Social Issues Research Center) and from Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Football_hooliganism

As far as soccer’s “superiority”, let’s not forget the virulent racism: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1798795,00.html, or the cheerful little neo-Nazis::http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1798795,00.html

And, of course, there’s FIFA, one of the most scandal plagued organizations in modern sports: http://www.playthegame.org/knowledge-bank/articles/ripping-up-soccer-the-story-behind-the-fifa-scandals-1017.html

So, yeah, soccer is clearly superior to ALL American sports, and one clearly needs to be a sophisticated bon vivant to appreciate it. You know, as opposed to a stupid, racist, corrupt and fat American.

[CardiffBaseball]

Sophisticated? Hilarious.

Look I am doing my part. My foreign born wife was just impressed that I understood what it took for my Americanos to advance (win and in, or various other scenarios). My guess is you wouldn’t understand the implications of the West Coast offense vs. standard drop back.

No matter I really freakin’ hate comparing sports. Either a sport stands on its own or it doesn’t. There are very kids out there who actually learn how to hit a baseball who think it’s boring.

I am fine with World Cup right now it’s a nice diversion since the NBA (greatest overall athletes on the planet in my opinion) is over, baseball is in early stages and football camps are just getting underway. Perfect time for some world cup action. College baseball and that damn “ting” is not that appealing other than deciding whether I should push the kids a little harder to play post-high school.

I guess we are going to have to say screwing with the refs has become an art form. Maybe FIFA can consider adding another referee to the field?

[CardiffBaseball]

Sophisticated? Hilarious.

Look I am doing my part. My foreign born wife was just impressed that I understood what it took for my Americanos to advance (win and in, or various other scenarios). My guess is you wouldn’t understand the implications of the West Coast offense vs. standard drop back.

No matter I really freakin’ hate comparing sports. Either a sport stands on its own or it doesn’t. There are very kids out there who actually learn how to hit a baseball who think it’s boring.

I am fine with World Cup right now it’s a nice diversion since the NBA (greatest overall athletes on the planet in my opinion) is over, baseball is in early stages and football camps are just getting underway. Perfect time for some world cup action. College baseball and that damn “ting” is not that appealing other than deciding whether I should push the kids a little harder to play post-high school.

I guess we are going to have to say screwing with the refs has become an art form. Maybe FIFA can consider adding another referee to the field?

[CardiffBaseball]

Sophisticated? Hilarious.

Look I am doing my part. My foreign born wife was just impressed that I understood what it took for my Americanos to advance (win and in, or various other scenarios). My guess is you wouldn’t understand the implications of the West Coast offense vs. standard drop back.

No matter I really freakin’ hate comparing sports. Either a sport stands on its own or it doesn’t. There are very kids out there who actually learn how to hit a baseball who think it’s boring.

I am fine with World Cup right now it’s a nice diversion since the NBA (greatest overall athletes on the planet in my opinion) is over, baseball is in early stages and football camps are just getting underway. Perfect time for some world cup action. College baseball and that damn “ting” is not that appealing other than deciding whether I should push the kids a little harder to play post-high school.

I guess we are going to have to say screwing with the refs has become an art form. Maybe FIFA can consider adding another referee to the field?

[CardiffBaseball]

Sophisticated? Hilarious.

Look I am doing my part. My foreign born wife was just impressed that I understood what it took for my Americanos to advance (win and in, or various other scenarios). My guess is you wouldn’t understand the implications of the West Coast offense vs. standard drop back.

No matter I really freakin’ hate comparing sports. Either a sport stands on its own or it doesn’t. There are very kids out there who actually learn how to hit a baseball who think it’s boring.

I am fine with World Cup right now it’s a nice diversion since the NBA (greatest overall athletes on the planet in my opinion) is over, baseball is in early stages and football camps are just getting underway. Perfect time for some world cup action. College baseball and that damn “ting” is not that appealing other than deciding whether I should push the kids a little harder to play post-high school.

I guess we are going to have to say screwing with the refs has become an art form. Maybe FIFA can consider adding another referee to the field?

[Anonymous]

[quote=weberlin]Perhaps poor reffing is built into professional soccer. You know, to make up for that fact that the sport is so God awfully painfully boring to watch.[/quote]

You’re just not sophisticated enough to appreciate the nuances. You should probably stick to American pigskin football with it’s 3 yards and a cloud of dust or American basketball where hooligan fans destroy their city after a victory.

[Anonymous]

[quote=weberlin]Perhaps poor reffing is built into professional soccer. You know, to make up for that fact that the sport is so God awfully painfully boring to watch.[/quote]

You’re just not sophisticated enough to appreciate the nuances. You should probably stick to American pigskin football with it’s 3 yards and a cloud of dust or American basketball where hooligan fans destroy their city after a victory.

[Anonymous]

[quote=weberlin]Perhaps poor reffing is built into professional soccer. You know, to make up for that fact that the sport is so God awfully painfully boring to watch.[/quote]

You’re just not sophisticated enough to appreciate the nuances. You should probably stick to American pigskin football with it’s 3 yards and a cloud of dust or American basketball where hooligan fans destroy their city after a victory.

[Anonymous]

[quote=weberlin]Perhaps poor reffing is built into professional soccer. You know, to make up for that fact that the sport is so God awfully painfully boring to watch.[/quote]

You’re just not sophisticated enough to appreciate the nuances. You should probably stick to American pigskin football with it’s 3 yards and a cloud of dust or American basketball where hooligan fans destroy their city after a victory.

[weberlin]

Perhaps poor reffing is built into professional soccer. You know, to make up for that fact that the sport is so God awfully painfully boring to watch.

[weberlin]

Perhaps poor reffing is built into professional soccer. You know, to make up for that fact that the sport is so God awfully painfully boring to watch.

[weberlin]

Perhaps poor reffing is built into professional soccer. You know, to make up for that fact that the sport is so God awfully painfully boring to watch.

[weberlin]

Perhaps poor reffing is built into professional soccer. You know, to make up for that fact that the sport is so God awfully painfully boring to watch.

[sdduuuude]

So, I have watched quite a bit of soccer my whole life, though when I was young, there was very little to see. I even had to watch World CUp games on Mexican TV in the 80’s.

Anyway, what I like most about soccer is the tournament formats themselves. The games themselves are a basic element in format that makes every goal important. I agree that sometimes games can be very boring, but within the context of the group standings, it makes watching the games fun. Also, you have to understand that there is alot of tension in soccer. When one goal can affect the destiny of 4 different teams, and goals are hard to come by, it makes for some serious suspenseful. If you don’t like or appreciate that tension, it isn’t for you.

I also think soccer-watching newbies get sucked in to watching the first set of group games, and they are invariably dull because many teams play cautiously. For newbies, I’d recommend not watching any games until the second group game. The second set of games was pretty awesome. In the third set of games, it is best to watch the games in the tighter groups.

The US and England games tomorrow will make for a good ride, for sure. The only way they can both move on is for them both to win.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=sdduuuude]Also, you have to understand that there is alot of tension in soccer. When one goal can affect the destiny of 4 different teams, and goals are hard to come by, it makes for some serious suspense.[/quote]

Told ya.

[quote=sdduuuude]The US and England games tomorrow will make for a good ride, for sure.[/quote]

And again.

[CardiffBaseball]

Awesome goal….

Still not a fan of the sport, but definitely a fan of the USA. Of course when it gets down to it, I am usually just a fan of my team and don’t watch random games of other teams playing (if France played Albania I wouldn’t be tuned in).

Take the NFL… For three full seasons the NFL was banned in CardiffBaseball’s household. I don’t care if guests were over visiting if you turned on the NFL on my TV, you were under threat of immediate expulsion from my house. Since I am mellow, peaceful and generally not passionate about any damn thing, most people gave me rope on this one and knew that I was damned serious about it. You turn on the NFL you will get run and I didn’t watch a single Super Bowl though I do recall being stuck at a SB party, I just stayed away from the tele…

(The 1996-1998 seasons).

[CardiffBaseball]

Awesome goal….

Still not a fan of the sport, but definitely a fan of the USA. Of course when it gets down to it, I am usually just a fan of my team and don’t watch random games of other teams playing (if France played Albania I wouldn’t be tuned in).

Take the NFL… For three full seasons the NFL was banned in CardiffBaseball’s household. I don’t care if guests were over visiting if you turned on the NFL on my TV, you were under threat of immediate expulsion from my house. Since I am mellow, peaceful and generally not passionate about any damn thing, most people gave me rope on this one and knew that I was damned serious about it. You turn on the NFL you will get run and I didn’t watch a single Super Bowl though I do recall being stuck at a SB party, I just stayed away from the tele…

(The 1996-1998 seasons).

[CardiffBaseball]

Awesome goal….

Still not a fan of the sport, but definitely a fan of the USA. Of course when it gets down to it, I am usually just a fan of my team and don’t watch random games of other teams playing (if France played Albania I wouldn’t be tuned in).

Take the NFL… For three full seasons the NFL was banned in CardiffBaseball’s household. I don’t care if guests were over visiting if you turned on the NFL on my TV, you were under threat of immediate expulsion from my house. Since I am mellow, peaceful and generally not passionate about any damn thing, most people gave me rope on this one and knew that I was damned serious about it. You turn on the NFL you will get run and I didn’t watch a single Super Bowl though I do recall being stuck at a SB party, I just stayed away from the tele…

(The 1996-1998 seasons).

[CardiffBaseball]

Awesome goal….

Still not a fan of the sport, but definitely a fan of the USA. Of course when it gets down to it, I am usually just a fan of my team and don’t watch random games of other teams playing (if France played Albania I wouldn’t be tuned in).

Take the NFL… For three full seasons the NFL was banned in CardiffBaseball’s household. I don’t care if guests were over visiting if you turned on the NFL on my TV, you were under threat of immediate expulsion from my house. Since I am mellow, peaceful and generally not passionate about any damn thing, most people gave me rope on this one and knew that I was damned serious about it. You turn on the NFL you will get run and I didn’t watch a single Super Bowl though I do recall being stuck at a SB party, I just stayed away from the tele…

(The 1996-1998 seasons).

[CardiffBaseball]

Awesome goal….

Still not a fan of the sport, but definitely a fan of the USA. Of course when it gets down to it, I am usually just a fan of my team and don’t watch random games of other teams playing (if France played Albania I wouldn’t be tuned in).

Take the NFL… For three full seasons the NFL was banned in CardiffBaseball’s household. I don’t care if guests were over visiting if you turned on the NFL on my TV, you were under threat of immediate expulsion from my house. Since I am mellow, peaceful and generally not passionate about any damn thing, most people gave me rope on this one and knew that I was damned serious about it. You turn on the NFL you will get run and I didn’t watch a single Super Bowl though I do recall being stuck at a SB party, I just stayed away from the tele…

(The 1996-1998 seasons).

[sdduuuude]

[quote=sdduuuude]Also, you have to understand that there is alot of tension in soccer. When one goal can affect the destiny of 4 different teams, and goals are hard to come by, it makes for some serious suspense.[/quote]

Told ya.

[quote=sdduuuude]The US and England games tomorrow will make for a good ride, for sure.[/quote]

And again.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=sdduuuude]Also, you have to understand that there is alot of tension in soccer. When one goal can affect the destiny of 4 different teams, and goals are hard to come by, it makes for some serious suspense.[/quote]

Told ya.

[quote=sdduuuude]The US and England games tomorrow will make for a good ride, for sure.[/quote]

And again.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=sdduuuude]Also, you have to understand that there is alot of tension in soccer. When one goal can affect the destiny of 4 different teams, and goals are hard to come by, it makes for some serious suspense.[/quote]

Told ya.

[quote=sdduuuude]The US and England games tomorrow will make for a good ride, for sure.[/quote]

And again.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=sdduuuude]Also, you have to understand that there is alot of tension in soccer. When one goal can affect the destiny of 4 different teams, and goals are hard to come by, it makes for some serious suspense.[/quote]

Told ya.

[quote=sdduuuude]The US and England games tomorrow will make for a good ride, for sure.[/quote]

And again.

[sdduuuude]

So, I have watched quite a bit of soccer my whole life, though when I was young, there was very little to see. I even had to watch World CUp games on Mexican TV in the 80’s.

Anyway, what I like most about soccer is the tournament formats themselves. The games themselves are a basic element in format that makes every goal important. I agree that sometimes games can be very boring, but within the context of the group standings, it makes watching the games fun. Also, you have to understand that there is alot of tension in soccer. When one goal can affect the destiny of 4 different teams, and goals are hard to come by, it makes for some serious suspenseful. If you don’t like or appreciate that tension, it isn’t for you.

I also think soccer-watching newbies get sucked in to watching the first set of group games, and they are invariably dull because many teams play cautiously. For newbies, I’d recommend not watching any games until the second group game. The second set of games was pretty awesome. In the third set of games, it is best to watch the games in the tighter groups.

The US and England games tomorrow will make for a good ride, for sure. The only way they can both move on is for them both to win.

[sdduuuude]

So, I have watched quite a bit of soccer my whole life, though when I was young, there was very little to see. I even had to watch World CUp games on Mexican TV in the 80’s.

Anyway, what I like most about soccer is the tournament formats themselves. The games themselves are a basic element in format that makes every goal important. I agree that sometimes games can be very boring, but within the context of the group standings, it makes watching the games fun. Also, you have to understand that there is alot of tension in soccer. When one goal can affect the destiny of 4 different teams, and goals are hard to come by, it makes for some serious suspenseful. If you don’t like or appreciate that tension, it isn’t for you.

I also think soccer-watching newbies get sucked in to watching the first set of group games, and they are invariably dull because many teams play cautiously. For newbies, I’d recommend not watching any games until the second group game. The second set of games was pretty awesome. In the third set of games, it is best to watch the games in the tighter groups.

The US and England games tomorrow will make for a good ride, for sure. The only way they can both move on is for them both to win.

[sdduuuude]

So, I have watched quite a bit of soccer my whole life, though when I was young, there was very little to see. I even had to watch World CUp games on Mexican TV in the 80’s.

Anyway, what I like most about soccer is the tournament formats themselves. The games themselves are a basic element in format that makes every goal important. I agree that sometimes games can be very boring, but within the context of the group standings, it makes watching the games fun. Also, you have to understand that there is alot of tension in soccer. When one goal can affect the destiny of 4 different teams, and goals are hard to come by, it makes for some serious suspenseful. If you don’t like or appreciate that tension, it isn’t for you.

I also think soccer-watching newbies get sucked in to watching the first set of group games, and they are invariably dull because many teams play cautiously. For newbies, I’d recommend not watching any games until the second group game. The second set of games was pretty awesome. In the third set of games, it is best to watch the games in the tighter groups.

The US and England games tomorrow will make for a good ride, for sure. The only way they can both move on is for them both to win.

[sdduuuude]

So, I have watched quite a bit of soccer my whole life, though when I was young, there was very little to see. I even had to watch World CUp games on Mexican TV in the 80’s.

Anyway, what I like most about soccer is the tournament formats themselves. The games themselves are a basic element in format that makes every goal important. I agree that sometimes games can be very boring, but within the context of the group standings, it makes watching the games fun. Also, you have to understand that there is alot of tension in soccer. When one goal can affect the destiny of 4 different teams, and goals are hard to come by, it makes for some serious suspenseful. If you don’t like or appreciate that tension, it isn’t for you.

I also think soccer-watching newbies get sucked in to watching the first set of group games, and they are invariably dull because many teams play cautiously. For newbies, I’d recommend not watching any games until the second group game. The second set of games was pretty awesome. In the third set of games, it is best to watch the games in the tighter groups.

The US and England games tomorrow will make for a good ride, for sure. The only way they can both move on is for them both to win.

[Coronita]

Hijack…

In case you missed it, IForget just just got red carded….

http://piggington.com/ot_hey_let039s_play_survivor_who_votes_to_have_briansd1_banned_f#comment-157727

[NotCranky]

[quote=flu]Hijack…

In case you missed it, IForget just just got red carded….

[/quote]
Na na na na
Na na na na
Hey heyaaaa!
Goodbye.

[NotCranky]

[quote=flu]Hijack…

In case you missed it, IForget just just got red carded….

[/quote]
Na na na na
Na na na na
Hey heyaaaa!
Goodbye.

[NotCranky]

[quote=flu]Hijack…

In case you missed it, IForget just just got red carded….

[/quote]
Na na na na
Na na na na
Hey heyaaaa!
Goodbye.

[NotCranky]

[quote=flu]Hijack…

In case you missed it, IForget just just got red carded….

[/quote]
Na na na na
Na na na na
Hey heyaaaa!
Goodbye.

[NotCranky]

[quote=flu]Hijack…

In case you missed it, IForget just just got red carded….

[/quote]
Na na na na
Na na na na
Hey heyaaaa!
Goodbye.

[afx114]

[quote=flu]In case you missed it, IForget just just got red carded….[/quote]

Was it in the box? Who is gonna take the penalty kick?

[afx114]

[quote=flu]In case you missed it, IForget just just got red carded….[/quote]

Was it in the box? Who is gonna take the penalty kick?

[afx114]

[quote=flu]In case you missed it, IForget just just got red carded….[/quote]

Was it in the box? Who is gonna take the penalty kick?

[afx114]

[quote=flu]In case you missed it, IForget just just got red carded….[/quote]

Was it in the box? Who is gonna take the penalty kick?

[afx114]

[quote=flu]In case you missed it, IForget just just got red carded….[/quote]

Was it in the box? Who is gonna take the penalty kick?

[Coronita]

Hijack…

In case you missed it, IForget just just got red carded….

http://piggington.com/ot_hey_let039s_play_survivor_who_votes_to_have_briansd1_banned_f#comment-157727

[Coronita]

Hijack…

In case you missed it, IForget just just got red carded….

http://piggington.com/ot_hey_let039s_play_survivor_who_votes_to_have_briansd1_banned_f#comment-157727

[Coronita]

Hijack…

In case you missed it, IForget just just got red carded….

http://piggington.com/ot_hey_let039s_play_survivor_who_votes_to_have_briansd1_banned_f#comment-157727

[Coronita]

Hijack…

In case you missed it, IForget just just got red carded….

http://piggington.com/ot_hey_let039s_play_survivor_who_votes_to_have_briansd1_banned_f#comment-157727

[Diego Mamani]

Team USA finished the first stage undefeated, first in its group ahead of England, and eliminated Slovenia in the process. Go USA!!!

This was really a photo finish for Group C

[CDMA ENG]

I was just taking off my USA shirt and throwing on my Italian kit when they scored.

Thank you Donovan for providing a goal that could not be disputed!

CE

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CDMA ENG]I was just taking off my USA shirt and throwing on my Italian kit … [/quote]

OOOOOOOO. Bad choice there. You don’t have a Slovakia kit, by any chance – do you?

Europe not looking so hot. North and South America kicking some serious World Cup boodie.

[streak]

I went to the game. The support for the USA team was amazing as was the game except for the number of yellow cards due to the dirty play of the Slovenians.

I was surprised that nobody was sent off.

I took a bunch of pics, see here

http://picasaweb.google.com/dunkeldwest/20100618Fifa2010USASlov?feat=directlink

and here

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=35617121

[sdduuuude]

streak – that is really neat ! I’m hoping the US gets the event here in 2018 or 2022. If not, I’ll pick a year and go.

[streak]

[quote=sdduuuude]streak – that is really neat ! I’m hoping the US gets the event here in 2018 or 2022. If not, I’ll pick a year and go.[/quote]

Thanks. I will also be going to the 1/4 final on the 2nd July.

I am not a follower of soccer at all, but a once in a lifetime opportunity to see it live was truly amazing.

Living in South Africa now but moving to SD in August. It will be great if USA gets to host it.

Clinton was so impressed he has decided to stay on here a few more days to watch more of the games live.

[streak]

[quote=sdduuuude]streak – that is really neat ! I’m hoping the US gets the event here in 2018 or 2022. If not, I’ll pick a year and go.[/quote]

Thanks. I will also be going to the 1/4 final on the 2nd July.

I am not a follower of soccer at all, but a once in a lifetime opportunity to see it live was truly amazing.

Living in South Africa now but moving to SD in August. It will be great if USA gets to host it.

Clinton was so impressed he has decided to stay on here a few more days to watch more of the games live.

[streak]

[quote=sdduuuude]streak – that is really neat ! I’m hoping the US gets the event here in 2018 or 2022. If not, I’ll pick a year and go.[/quote]

Thanks. I will also be going to the 1/4 final on the 2nd July.

I am not a follower of soccer at all, but a once in a lifetime opportunity to see it live was truly amazing.

Living in South Africa now but moving to SD in August. It will be great if USA gets to host it.

Clinton was so impressed he has decided to stay on here a few more days to watch more of the games live.

[streak]

[quote=sdduuuude]streak – that is really neat ! I’m hoping the US gets the event here in 2018 or 2022. If not, I’ll pick a year and go.[/quote]

Thanks. I will also be going to the 1/4 final on the 2nd July.

I am not a follower of soccer at all, but a once in a lifetime opportunity to see it live was truly amazing.

Living in South Africa now but moving to SD in August. It will be great if USA gets to host it.

Clinton was so impressed he has decided to stay on here a few more days to watch more of the games live.

[streak]

[quote=sdduuuude]streak – that is really neat ! I’m hoping the US gets the event here in 2018 or 2022. If not, I’ll pick a year and go.[/quote]

Thanks. I will also be going to the 1/4 final on the 2nd July.

I am not a follower of soccer at all, but a once in a lifetime opportunity to see it live was truly amazing.

Living in South Africa now but moving to SD in August. It will be great if USA gets to host it.

Clinton was so impressed he has decided to stay on here a few more days to watch more of the games live.

[sdduuuude]

streak – that is really neat ! I’m hoping the US gets the event here in 2018 or 2022. If not, I’ll pick a year and go.

[sdduuuude]

streak – that is really neat ! I’m hoping the US gets the event here in 2018 or 2022. If not, I’ll pick a year and go.

[sdduuuude]

streak – that is really neat ! I’m hoping the US gets the event here in 2018 or 2022. If not, I’ll pick a year and go.

[sdduuuude]

streak – that is really neat ! I’m hoping the US gets the event here in 2018 or 2022. If not, I’ll pick a year and go.

[streak]

I went to the game. The support for the USA team was amazing as was the game except for the number of yellow cards due to the dirty play of the Slovenians.

I was surprised that nobody was sent off.

I took a bunch of pics, see here

http://picasaweb.google.com/dunkeldwest/20100618Fifa2010USASlov?feat=directlink

and here

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=35617121

[streak]

I went to the game. The support for the USA team was amazing as was the game except for the number of yellow cards due to the dirty play of the Slovenians.

I was surprised that nobody was sent off.

I took a bunch of pics, see here

http://picasaweb.google.com/dunkeldwest/20100618Fifa2010USASlov?feat=directlink

and here

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=35617121

[streak]

I went to the game. The support for the USA team was amazing as was the game except for the number of yellow cards due to the dirty play of the Slovenians.

I was surprised that nobody was sent off.

I took a bunch of pics, see here

http://picasaweb.google.com/dunkeldwest/20100618Fifa2010USASlov?feat=directlink

and here

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=35617121

[streak]

I went to the game. The support for the USA team was amazing as was the game except for the number of yellow cards due to the dirty play of the Slovenians.

I was surprised that nobody was sent off.

I took a bunch of pics, see here

http://picasaweb.google.com/dunkeldwest/20100618Fifa2010USASlov?feat=directlink

and here

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=35617121

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=CDMA ENG]I was just taking off my USA shirt and throwing on my Italian kit … [/quote]

OOOOOOOO. Bad choice there. You don’t have a Slovakia kit, by any chance – do you?

Europe not looking so hot. North and South America kicking some serious World Cup boodie.[/quote]

Here is my final WC prediciton. The World Cup will be won by a country that I cannot point to on map!

CE

[sdduuuude]

So – anyone but the US, huh ?

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=sdduuuude]So – anyone but the US, huh ?[/quote]

My geography is better than most…

Knucklehead!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=sdduuuude]So – anyone but the US, huh ?[/quote]

My geography is better than most…

Knucklehead!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=sdduuuude]So – anyone but the US, huh ?[/quote]

My geography is better than most…

Knucklehead!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=sdduuuude]So – anyone but the US, huh ?[/quote]

My geography is better than most…

Knucklehead!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=sdduuuude]So – anyone but the US, huh ?[/quote]

My geography is better than most…

Knucklehead!

CE

[sdduuuude]

So – anyone but the US, huh ?

[sdduuuude]

So – anyone but the US, huh ?

[sdduuuude]

So – anyone but the US, huh ?

[sdduuuude]

So – anyone but the US, huh ?

[Diego Mamani]

[quote]Here is my final WC prediciton. The World Cup will be won by a country that I cannot point to on map! CE[/quote]

Ever since the very first World Cup was played in Uruguay in 1930, no European team has won the cup when the games were outside of Europe. Accordingly, and since in data I trust… I predict a South American winner. Either Argentina or Brazil (in that order), and both are big enough to point on a map!

[SD Transplant]

quick prediction 🙂

ARGENTINA will win …….that’s that

[SD Transplant]

quick prediction 🙂

ARGENTINA will win …….that’s that

[SD Transplant]

quick prediction 🙂

ARGENTINA will win …….that’s that

[SD Transplant]

quick prediction 🙂

ARGENTINA will win …….that’s that

[SD Transplant]

quick prediction 🙂

ARGENTINA will win …….that’s that

[Diego Mamani]

[quote]Here is my final WC prediciton. The World Cup will be won by a country that I cannot point to on map! CE[/quote]

Ever since the very first World Cup was played in Uruguay in 1930, no European team has won the cup when the games were outside of Europe. Accordingly, and since in data I trust… I predict a South American winner. Either Argentina or Brazil (in that order), and both are big enough to point on a map!

[Diego Mamani]

[quote]Here is my final WC prediciton. The World Cup will be won by a country that I cannot point to on map! CE[/quote]

Ever since the very first World Cup was played in Uruguay in 1930, no European team has won the cup when the games were outside of Europe. Accordingly, and since in data I trust… I predict a South American winner. Either Argentina or Brazil (in that order), and both are big enough to point on a map!

[Diego Mamani]

[quote]Here is my final WC prediciton. The World Cup will be won by a country that I cannot point to on map! CE[/quote]

Ever since the very first World Cup was played in Uruguay in 1930, no European team has won the cup when the games were outside of Europe. Accordingly, and since in data I trust… I predict a South American winner. Either Argentina or Brazil (in that order), and both are big enough to point on a map!

[Diego Mamani]

[quote]Here is my final WC prediciton. The World Cup will be won by a country that I cannot point to on map! CE[/quote]

Ever since the very first World Cup was played in Uruguay in 1930, no European team has won the cup when the games were outside of Europe. Accordingly, and since in data I trust… I predict a South American winner. Either Argentina or Brazil (in that order), and both are big enough to point on a map!

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=CDMA ENG]I was just taking off my USA shirt and throwing on my Italian kit … [/quote]

OOOOOOOO. Bad choice there. You don’t have a Slovakia kit, by any chance – do you?

Europe not looking so hot. North and South America kicking some serious World Cup boodie.[/quote]

Here is my final WC prediciton. The World Cup will be won by a country that I cannot point to on map!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=CDMA ENG]I was just taking off my USA shirt and throwing on my Italian kit … [/quote]

OOOOOOOO. Bad choice there. You don’t have a Slovakia kit, by any chance – do you?

Europe not looking so hot. North and South America kicking some serious World Cup boodie.[/quote]

Here is my final WC prediciton. The World Cup will be won by a country that I cannot point to on map!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=CDMA ENG]I was just taking off my USA shirt and throwing on my Italian kit … [/quote]

OOOOOOOO. Bad choice there. You don’t have a Slovakia kit, by any chance – do you?

Europe not looking so hot. North and South America kicking some serious World Cup boodie.[/quote]

Here is my final WC prediciton. The World Cup will be won by a country that I cannot point to on map!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

[quote=sdduuuude][quote=CDMA ENG]I was just taking off my USA shirt and throwing on my Italian kit … [/quote]

OOOOOOOO. Bad choice there. You don’t have a Slovakia kit, by any chance – do you?

Europe not looking so hot. North and South America kicking some serious World Cup boodie.[/quote]

Here is my final WC prediciton. The World Cup will be won by a country that I cannot point to on map!

CE

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CDMA ENG]I was just taking off my USA shirt and throwing on my Italian kit … [/quote]

OOOOOOOO. Bad choice there. You don’t have a Slovakia kit, by any chance – do you?

Europe not looking so hot. North and South America kicking some serious World Cup boodie.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CDMA ENG]I was just taking off my USA shirt and throwing on my Italian kit … [/quote]

OOOOOOOO. Bad choice there. You don’t have a Slovakia kit, by any chance – do you?

Europe not looking so hot. North and South America kicking some serious World Cup boodie.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CDMA ENG]I was just taking off my USA shirt and throwing on my Italian kit … [/quote]

OOOOOOOO. Bad choice there. You don’t have a Slovakia kit, by any chance – do you?

Europe not looking so hot. North and South America kicking some serious World Cup boodie.

[sdduuuude]

[quote=CDMA ENG]I was just taking off my USA shirt and throwing on my Italian kit … [/quote]

OOOOOOOO. Bad choice there. You don’t have a Slovakia kit, by any chance – do you?

Europe not looking so hot. North and South America kicking some serious World Cup boodie.

[CDMA ENG]

I was just taking off my USA shirt and throwing on my Italian kit when they scored.

Thank you Donovan for providing a goal that could not be disputed!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

I was just taking off my USA shirt and throwing on my Italian kit when they scored.

Thank you Donovan for providing a goal that could not be disputed!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

I was just taking off my USA shirt and throwing on my Italian kit when they scored.

Thank you Donovan for providing a goal that could not be disputed!

CE

[CDMA ENG]

I was just taking off my USA shirt and throwing on my Italian kit when they scored.

Thank you Donovan for providing a goal that could not be disputed!

CE

[Diego Mamani]

Team USA finished the first stage undefeated, first in its group ahead of England, and eliminated Slovenia in the process. Go USA!!!

This was really a photo finish for Group C

[Diego Mamani]

Team USA finished the first stage undefeated, first in its group ahead of England, and eliminated Slovenia in the process. Go USA!!!

This was really a photo finish for Group C

[Diego Mamani]

Team USA finished the first stage undefeated, first in its group ahead of England, and eliminated Slovenia in the process. Go USA!!!

This was really a photo finish for Group C

[Diego Mamani]

Team USA finished the first stage undefeated, first in its group ahead of England, and eliminated Slovenia in the process. Go USA!!!

This was really a photo finish for Group C

[Anonymous]

While I’m happy the USA won the game and group, I’m not celebrating nearly as much as everyone else– I must be the lone stick-in-the-mud. I expected more, as in the US getting two wins and a tie rather than two ties and a win.

:: sigh :: Maybe I just need a beer.