Size of Avg. US home over time

[an]

[quote=bearishgurl]
AN, I implore you then to GO BUY that 5000 sf lot property in Del Mar . . . and make sure it’s NOT a condo and west of the 5. Actually, you should do it while the prices/interest rates are down if this is your dream . . . ASAP. You may never get another chance in your lifetime!

I’ll just stay in my “affordable” large house on a 7000-ish sf lot in Chula and you can send me a postcard. And . . . GOOD LUCK to you ;=)[/quote]
Why, did they stop making new land in Del Mar? I thought you were chanting and location location location? I was just agreeing with you.

[joec]

I certainly agree that the prime locations are all in older stock land (with their larger lots). I think for the folks who can afford those areas (mostly the coast for me), it’s a nice place to be at.

Back to my 30-something’s piggy’s way of thinking, I suppose my view of “land” is not what it used to be. In my younger days, I thought the same way as you do now valuing land and lot size over most things. Nowadays, my thinking is we bought a house to live in primarily. We live inside the house, we don’t spend that much time outside due to the reasons above…Also, not wanting to expand or make upgrades, if we needed more space or lot size, we’d probably just move. Path of least resistance as mentioned in another message earlier…Especially for folks who aren’t handy and have no interest in doing/learning that skill set. I’d be more at home fixing cars than home items.

Also, and maybe a big reason for my way of thinking is we probably will eventually move when we retire and when the kid is grown (maybe in 20-30 years)…Can’t predict the future, but that probably played a factor in our lot size decision.

I suppose similar to questions of do you really need a 3300 sqft home? Does someone really need a 10k-20k lot nowadays? Parks are everywhere within walking distance with bball courts, huge lawns, etc…

Times are certainly different now compared to just 20/30 years ago and 50 years ago as well. There were certainly less luxuries back then and I don’t think folks were as hard core when it came to kids, education, jobs, etc…A global economy is a race to the bottom in terms of cost for companies.

I’m surprised this hasn’t been posted about and discussed yet, but another reason for newer areas is updated construction within the area (San Bruno gas explosion). I also don’t like all those power lines that you see in a lot of the older developments…

Crews search ash-covered homes after blast kills 4:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100911/ap_on_bi_ge/us_large_explosion

“Experts say the nation’s 296,000 miles of onshore natural-gas lines routinely suffer breakdowns and failures.

More than 60 percent of the lines are 40 years old or older and almost half were installed in the 1950s and 1960s, according to a recent analysis by the Pipeline Safety Trust, a nonprofit advocacy group based in Bellingham, Wash.

Most of the older pipelines lack anticorrosion coatings that are prevalent in the industry today, said Carl Weimer, executive director of the trust, which was set up following a 1999 explosion that killed three people in Bellingham.

“The industry always says that if you take care of pipelines, they’ll last forever,” Weimer said. “But what we see over and over again is companies are not doing that and corrosion and other factors are causing failures.”

[joec]

I certainly agree that the prime locations are all in older stock land (with their larger lots). I think for the folks who can afford those areas (mostly the coast for me), it’s a nice place to be at.

Back to my 30-something’s piggy’s way of thinking, I suppose my view of “land” is not what it used to be. In my younger days, I thought the same way as you do now valuing land and lot size over most things. Nowadays, my thinking is we bought a house to live in primarily. We live inside the house, we don’t spend that much time outside due to the reasons above…Also, not wanting to expand or make upgrades, if we needed more space or lot size, we’d probably just move. Path of least resistance as mentioned in another message earlier…Especially for folks who aren’t handy and have no interest in doing/learning that skill set. I’d be more at home fixing cars than home items.

Also, and maybe a big reason for my way of thinking is we probably will eventually move when we retire and when the kid is grown (maybe in 20-30 years)…Can’t predict the future, but that probably played a factor in our lot size decision.

I suppose similar to questions of do you really need a 3300 sqft home? Does someone really need a 10k-20k lot nowadays? Parks are everywhere within walking distance with bball courts, huge lawns, etc…

Times are certainly different now compared to just 20/30 years ago and 50 years ago as well. There were certainly less luxuries back then and I don’t think folks were as hard core when it came to kids, education, jobs, etc…A global economy is a race to the bottom in terms of cost for companies.

I’m surprised this hasn’t been posted about and discussed yet, but another reason for newer areas is updated construction within the area (San Bruno gas explosion). I also don’t like all those power lines that you see in a lot of the older developments…

Crews search ash-covered homes after blast kills 4:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100911/ap_on_bi_ge/us_large_explosion

“Experts say the nation’s 296,000 miles of onshore natural-gas lines routinely suffer breakdowns and failures.

More than 60 percent of the lines are 40 years old or older and almost half were installed in the 1950s and 1960s, according to a recent analysis by the Pipeline Safety Trust, a nonprofit advocacy group based in Bellingham, Wash.

Most of the older pipelines lack anticorrosion coatings that are prevalent in the industry today, said Carl Weimer, executive director of the trust, which was set up following a 1999 explosion that killed three people in Bellingham.

“The industry always says that if you take care of pipelines, they’ll last forever,” Weimer said. “But what we see over and over again is companies are not doing that and corrosion and other factors are causing failures.”

[joec]

I certainly agree that the prime locations are all in older stock land (with their larger lots). I think for the folks who can afford those areas (mostly the coast for me), it’s a nice place to be at.

Back to my 30-something’s piggy’s way of thinking, I suppose my view of “land” is not what it used to be. In my younger days, I thought the same way as you do now valuing land and lot size over most things. Nowadays, my thinking is we bought a house to live in primarily. We live inside the house, we don’t spend that much time outside due to the reasons above…Also, not wanting to expand or make upgrades, if we needed more space or lot size, we’d probably just move. Path of least resistance as mentioned in another message earlier…Especially for folks who aren’t handy and have no interest in doing/learning that skill set. I’d be more at home fixing cars than home items.

Also, and maybe a big reason for my way of thinking is we probably will eventually move when we retire and when the kid is grown (maybe in 20-30 years)…Can’t predict the future, but that probably played a factor in our lot size decision.

I suppose similar to questions of do you really need a 3300 sqft home? Does someone really need a 10k-20k lot nowadays? Parks are everywhere within walking distance with bball courts, huge lawns, etc…

Times are certainly different now compared to just 20/30 years ago and 50 years ago as well. There were certainly less luxuries back then and I don’t think folks were as hard core when it came to kids, education, jobs, etc…A global economy is a race to the bottom in terms of cost for companies.

I’m surprised this hasn’t been posted about and discussed yet, but another reason for newer areas is updated construction within the area (San Bruno gas explosion). I also don’t like all those power lines that you see in a lot of the older developments…

Crews search ash-covered homes after blast kills 4:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100911/ap_on_bi_ge/us_large_explosion

“Experts say the nation’s 296,000 miles of onshore natural-gas lines routinely suffer breakdowns and failures.

More than 60 percent of the lines are 40 years old or older and almost half were installed in the 1950s and 1960s, according to a recent analysis by the Pipeline Safety Trust, a nonprofit advocacy group based in Bellingham, Wash.

Most of the older pipelines lack anticorrosion coatings that are prevalent in the industry today, said Carl Weimer, executive director of the trust, which was set up following a 1999 explosion that killed three people in Bellingham.

“The industry always says that if you take care of pipelines, they’ll last forever,” Weimer said. “But what we see over and over again is companies are not doing that and corrosion and other factors are causing failures.”

[joec]

I certainly agree that the prime locations are all in older stock land (with their larger lots). I think for the folks who can afford those areas (mostly the coast for me), it’s a nice place to be at.

Back to my 30-something’s piggy’s way of thinking, I suppose my view of “land” is not what it used to be. In my younger days, I thought the same way as you do now valuing land and lot size over most things. Nowadays, my thinking is we bought a house to live in primarily. We live inside the house, we don’t spend that much time outside due to the reasons above…Also, not wanting to expand or make upgrades, if we needed more space or lot size, we’d probably just move. Path of least resistance as mentioned in another message earlier…Especially for folks who aren’t handy and have no interest in doing/learning that skill set. I’d be more at home fixing cars than home items.

Also, and maybe a big reason for my way of thinking is we probably will eventually move when we retire and when the kid is grown (maybe in 20-30 years)…Can’t predict the future, but that probably played a factor in our lot size decision.

I suppose similar to questions of do you really need a 3300 sqft home? Does someone really need a 10k-20k lot nowadays? Parks are everywhere within walking distance with bball courts, huge lawns, etc…

Times are certainly different now compared to just 20/30 years ago and 50 years ago as well. There were certainly less luxuries back then and I don’t think folks were as hard core when it came to kids, education, jobs, etc…A global economy is a race to the bottom in terms of cost for companies.

I’m surprised this hasn’t been posted about and discussed yet, but another reason for newer areas is updated construction within the area (San Bruno gas explosion). I also don’t like all those power lines that you see in a lot of the older developments…

Crews search ash-covered homes after blast kills 4:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100911/ap_on_bi_ge/us_large_explosion

“Experts say the nation’s 296,000 miles of onshore natural-gas lines routinely suffer breakdowns and failures.

More than 60 percent of the lines are 40 years old or older and almost half were installed in the 1950s and 1960s, according to a recent analysis by the Pipeline Safety Trust, a nonprofit advocacy group based in Bellingham, Wash.

Most of the older pipelines lack anticorrosion coatings that are prevalent in the industry today, said Carl Weimer, executive director of the trust, which was set up following a 1999 explosion that killed three people in Bellingham.

“The industry always says that if you take care of pipelines, they’ll last forever,” Weimer said. “But what we see over and over again is companies are not doing that and corrosion and other factors are causing failures.”

[joec]

I certainly agree that the prime locations are all in older stock land (with their larger lots). I think for the folks who can afford those areas (mostly the coast for me), it’s a nice place to be at.

Back to my 30-something’s piggy’s way of thinking, I suppose my view of “land” is not what it used to be. In my younger days, I thought the same way as you do now valuing land and lot size over most things. Nowadays, my thinking is we bought a house to live in primarily. We live inside the house, we don’t spend that much time outside due to the reasons above…Also, not wanting to expand or make upgrades, if we needed more space or lot size, we’d probably just move. Path of least resistance as mentioned in another message earlier…Especially for folks who aren’t handy and have no interest in doing/learning that skill set. I’d be more at home fixing cars than home items.

Also, and maybe a big reason for my way of thinking is we probably will eventually move when we retire and when the kid is grown (maybe in 20-30 years)…Can’t predict the future, but that probably played a factor in our lot size decision.

I suppose similar to questions of do you really need a 3300 sqft home? Does someone really need a 10k-20k lot nowadays? Parks are everywhere within walking distance with bball courts, huge lawns, etc…

Times are certainly different now compared to just 20/30 years ago and 50 years ago as well. There were certainly less luxuries back then and I don’t think folks were as hard core when it came to kids, education, jobs, etc…A global economy is a race to the bottom in terms of cost for companies.

I’m surprised this hasn’t been posted about and discussed yet, but another reason for newer areas is updated construction within the area (San Bruno gas explosion). I also don’t like all those power lines that you see in a lot of the older developments…

Crews search ash-covered homes after blast kills 4:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100911/ap_on_bi_ge/us_large_explosion

“Experts say the nation’s 296,000 miles of onshore natural-gas lines routinely suffer breakdowns and failures.

More than 60 percent of the lines are 40 years old or older and almost half were installed in the 1950s and 1960s, according to a recent analysis by the Pipeline Safety Trust, a nonprofit advocacy group based in Bellingham, Wash.

Most of the older pipelines lack anticorrosion coatings that are prevalent in the industry today, said Carl Weimer, executive director of the trust, which was set up following a 1999 explosion that killed three people in Bellingham.

“The industry always says that if you take care of pipelines, they’ll last forever,” Weimer said. “But what we see over and over again is companies are not doing that and corrosion and other factors are causing failures.”

[UCGal]

joec –
The age of the pipe underground has nothing to do with the age of the house above. Look at the new high rise condos in Little Italy… beautiful new construction. Yet the water pipes in Little Italy regularly burst and flood the streets…. every few years there’s a new flood.

Unless you’re talking areas that have never had anyone build there – the infrastructure *can* be quite a bit older than the development.

[UCGal]

joec –
The age of the pipe underground has nothing to do with the age of the house above. Look at the new high rise condos in Little Italy… beautiful new construction. Yet the water pipes in Little Italy regularly burst and flood the streets…. every few years there’s a new flood.

Unless you’re talking areas that have never had anyone build there – the infrastructure *can* be quite a bit older than the development.

[UCGal]

joec –
The age of the pipe underground has nothing to do with the age of the house above. Look at the new high rise condos in Little Italy… beautiful new construction. Yet the water pipes in Little Italy regularly burst and flood the streets…. every few years there’s a new flood.

Unless you’re talking areas that have never had anyone build there – the infrastructure *can* be quite a bit older than the development.

[UCGal]

joec –
The age of the pipe underground has nothing to do with the age of the house above. Look at the new high rise condos in Little Italy… beautiful new construction. Yet the water pipes in Little Italy regularly burst and flood the streets…. every few years there’s a new flood.

Unless you’re talking areas that have never had anyone build there – the infrastructure *can* be quite a bit older than the development.

[UCGal]

joec –
The age of the pipe underground has nothing to do with the age of the house above. Look at the new high rise condos in Little Italy… beautiful new construction. Yet the water pipes in Little Italy regularly burst and flood the streets…. every few years there’s a new flood.

Unless you’re talking areas that have never had anyone build there – the infrastructure *can* be quite a bit older than the development.

[briansd1]

[quote=joec]

Hi BG, just out of curiosity, what age bracket are you in? My wife and I in our late 30s with a young child. I’ll take a stab at why some piggs (namely me) can care less about the large lot. I grew up probably in a 15-20k lot in my parent’s house in the bay area. For us now, we really don’t care having that 10k+ lot (and we’re in a postage sized lot now) because:

1) Landscaping is expensive! The larger the lot, the more expensive to landscape it.

2) We are in door hermits. Sure, I grew up riding my bikes outside (pretty rarely in the backyard actually), rolling down the hill on a cardboard in our backyard, etc…but SD is pretty hot compared to the bay area actually and it’s foolish to sit outside a lot. Kids probably have a lot of other activities so that’s even less backyard/large lot time.

3) We’re busy! With a kid and barely enough time to get basic personal stuff done and work, chores, who has time to sit outside and enjoy the atmosphere?!?!? A lot of dual income, 1 high income folks would probably prefer to spend time indoors with their kids with the occasional park time rather than play in their backyard, big or small.

4) Lastly, being Asian and all the stereotypes that come with that, I think a lot of those zip codes are simply not on a lot of asian families list of cities to buy in. Lemon Grove, having lived in East county before is a pretty bad area having been there a few times.

5) We like NEW! Maybe the old generation has time to “fix up” the house, but like point 3 above, who has time to do a “home project?” I’d rather spend my time doing things I enjoy than fixing things around the house that’s constantly breaking in a 20 year old house…

Give me my postage stamp sized lot brand spanking new, highly energy efficient home anyday over a 20k lot 20 year fixer…

If we don’t run the AC/heat much, our power bills are in the 60-70 dollars now compared to 40-50 in a 1000 sqft apartment.

Heat seems very expensive (3 months) and we turn it on since the baby refuses to use a blanket. :([/quote]

joec, your attitude is what I call the Cheesecake Factory effect.

People choose the Cheesecake Factory because
– It’s new and clean
– prices are reasonable
– portion are large. Large portions for the price.
– consistent service
– it’s an easy choice
– It’s new and clean, in a new and clean shopping center.

The same goes for housing, I believe. But unlike going out to dinner, people buy houses only a few times in a lifetime.

There is something to be said for a new house. I believe that people prefer new houses and that’s why people will abandon old neighborhoods for new cities over time (for example moving from LA to Orange County).

I like the city. But I’m not willing to live in an old dilapidated house. That’s why I rent a new condo downtown.

If I were to buy an old house, I’d fix it first before moving in. If you look at houses for sale, crisp and clean, move-in condition houses sell very quickly.

In my opinion, it’s not the newness per se, but it’s the cleanliness and general of condition of the house and neighborhood.

Having said all of that, I personally hate the suburbs, but I understand the attraction. That’s why I believe cities need to remake themselves to attract new residents and increase their tax bases.

BTW, I also hate the Cheesecake Factory. But I understand why they are successful.

[briansd1]

[quote=joec]

Hi BG, just out of curiosity, what age bracket are you in? My wife and I in our late 30s with a young child. I’ll take a stab at why some piggs (namely me) can care less about the large lot. I grew up probably in a 15-20k lot in my parent’s house in the bay area. For us now, we really don’t care having that 10k+ lot (and we’re in a postage sized lot now) because:

1) Landscaping is expensive! The larger the lot, the more expensive to landscape it.

2) We are in door hermits. Sure, I grew up riding my bikes outside (pretty rarely in the backyard actually), rolling down the hill on a cardboard in our backyard, etc…but SD is pretty hot compared to the bay area actually and it’s foolish to sit outside a lot. Kids probably have a lot of other activities so that’s even less backyard/large lot time.

3) We’re busy! With a kid and barely enough time to get basic personal stuff done and work, chores, who has time to sit outside and enjoy the atmosphere?!?!? A lot of dual income, 1 high income folks would probably prefer to spend time indoors with their kids with the occasional park time rather than play in their backyard, big or small.

4) Lastly, being Asian and all the stereotypes that come with that, I think a lot of those zip codes are simply not on a lot of asian families list of cities to buy in. Lemon Grove, having lived in East county before is a pretty bad area having been there a few times.

5) We like NEW! Maybe the old generation has time to “fix up” the house, but like point 3 above, who has time to do a “home project?” I’d rather spend my time doing things I enjoy than fixing things around the house that’s constantly breaking in a 20 year old house…

Give me my postage stamp sized lot brand spanking new, highly energy efficient home anyday over a 20k lot 20 year fixer…

If we don’t run the AC/heat much, our power bills are in the 60-70 dollars now compared to 40-50 in a 1000 sqft apartment.

Heat seems very expensive (3 months) and we turn it on since the baby refuses to use a blanket. :([/quote]

joec, your attitude is what I call the Cheesecake Factory effect.

People choose the Cheesecake Factory because
– It’s new and clean
– prices are reasonable
– portion are large. Large portions for the price.
– consistent service
– it’s an easy choice
– It’s new and clean, in a new and clean shopping center.

The same goes for housing, I believe. But unlike going out to dinner, people buy houses only a few times in a lifetime.

There is something to be said for a new house. I believe that people prefer new houses and that’s why people will abandon old neighborhoods for new cities over time (for example moving from LA to Orange County).

I like the city. But I’m not willing to live in an old dilapidated house. That’s why I rent a new condo downtown.

If I were to buy an old house, I’d fix it first before moving in. If you look at houses for sale, crisp and clean, move-in condition houses sell very quickly.

In my opinion, it’s not the newness per se, but it’s the cleanliness and general of condition of the house and neighborhood.

Having said all of that, I personally hate the suburbs, but I understand the attraction. That’s why I believe cities need to remake themselves to attract new residents and increase their tax bases.

BTW, I also hate the Cheesecake Factory. But I understand why they are successful.

[briansd1]

[quote=joec]

Hi BG, just out of curiosity, what age bracket are you in? My wife and I in our late 30s with a young child. I’ll take a stab at why some piggs (namely me) can care less about the large lot. I grew up probably in a 15-20k lot in my parent’s house in the bay area. For us now, we really don’t care having that 10k+ lot (and we’re in a postage sized lot now) because:

1) Landscaping is expensive! The larger the lot, the more expensive to landscape it.

2) We are in door hermits. Sure, I grew up riding my bikes outside (pretty rarely in the backyard actually), rolling down the hill on a cardboard in our backyard, etc…but SD is pretty hot compared to the bay area actually and it’s foolish to sit outside a lot. Kids probably have a lot of other activities so that’s even less backyard/large lot time.

3) We’re busy! With a kid and barely enough time to get basic personal stuff done and work, chores, who has time to sit outside and enjoy the atmosphere?!?!? A lot of dual income, 1 high income folks would probably prefer to spend time indoors with their kids with the occasional park time rather than play in their backyard, big or small.

4) Lastly, being Asian and all the stereotypes that come with that, I think a lot of those zip codes are simply not on a lot of asian families list of cities to buy in. Lemon Grove, having lived in East county before is a pretty bad area having been there a few times.

5) We like NEW! Maybe the old generation has time to “fix up” the house, but like point 3 above, who has time to do a “home project?” I’d rather spend my time doing things I enjoy than fixing things around the house that’s constantly breaking in a 20 year old house…

Give me my postage stamp sized lot brand spanking new, highly energy efficient home anyday over a 20k lot 20 year fixer…

If we don’t run the AC/heat much, our power bills are in the 60-70 dollars now compared to 40-50 in a 1000 sqft apartment.

Heat seems very expensive (3 months) and we turn it on since the baby refuses to use a blanket. :([/quote]

joec, your attitude is what I call the Cheesecake Factory effect.

People choose the Cheesecake Factory because
– It’s new and clean
– prices are reasonable
– portion are large. Large portions for the price.
– consistent service
– it’s an easy choice
– It’s new and clean, in a new and clean shopping center.

The same goes for housing, I believe. But unlike going out to dinner, people buy houses only a few times in a lifetime.

There is something to be said for a new house. I believe that people prefer new houses and that’s why people will abandon old neighborhoods for new cities over time (for example moving from LA to Orange County).

I like the city. But I’m not willing to live in an old dilapidated house. That’s why I rent a new condo downtown.

If I were to buy an old house, I’d fix it first before moving in. If you look at houses for sale, crisp and clean, move-in condition houses sell very quickly.

In my opinion, it’s not the newness per se, but it’s the cleanliness and general of condition of the house and neighborhood.

Having said all of that, I personally hate the suburbs, but I understand the attraction. That’s why I believe cities need to remake themselves to attract new residents and increase their tax bases.

BTW, I also hate the Cheesecake Factory. But I understand why they are successful.

[briansd1]

[quote=joec]

Hi BG, just out of curiosity, what age bracket are you in? My wife and I in our late 30s with a young child. I’ll take a stab at why some piggs (namely me) can care less about the large lot. I grew up probably in a 15-20k lot in my parent’s house in the bay area. For us now, we really don’t care having that 10k+ lot (and we’re in a postage sized lot now) because:

1) Landscaping is expensive! The larger the lot, the more expensive to landscape it.

2) We are in door hermits. Sure, I grew up riding my bikes outside (pretty rarely in the backyard actually), rolling down the hill on a cardboard in our backyard, etc…but SD is pretty hot compared to the bay area actually and it’s foolish to sit outside a lot. Kids probably have a lot of other activities so that’s even less backyard/large lot time.

3) We’re busy! With a kid and barely enough time to get basic personal stuff done and work, chores, who has time to sit outside and enjoy the atmosphere?!?!? A lot of dual income, 1 high income folks would probably prefer to spend time indoors with their kids with the occasional park time rather than play in their backyard, big or small.

4) Lastly, being Asian and all the stereotypes that come with that, I think a lot of those zip codes are simply not on a lot of asian families list of cities to buy in. Lemon Grove, having lived in East county before is a pretty bad area having been there a few times.

5) We like NEW! Maybe the old generation has time to “fix up” the house, but like point 3 above, who has time to do a “home project?” I’d rather spend my time doing things I enjoy than fixing things around the house that’s constantly breaking in a 20 year old house…

Give me my postage stamp sized lot brand spanking new, highly energy efficient home anyday over a 20k lot 20 year fixer…

If we don’t run the AC/heat much, our power bills are in the 60-70 dollars now compared to 40-50 in a 1000 sqft apartment.

Heat seems very expensive (3 months) and we turn it on since the baby refuses to use a blanket. :([/quote]

joec, your attitude is what I call the Cheesecake Factory effect.

People choose the Cheesecake Factory because
– It’s new and clean
– prices are reasonable
– portion are large. Large portions for the price.
– consistent service
– it’s an easy choice
– It’s new and clean, in a new and clean shopping center.

The same goes for housing, I believe. But unlike going out to dinner, people buy houses only a few times in a lifetime.

There is something to be said for a new house. I believe that people prefer new houses and that’s why people will abandon old neighborhoods for new cities over time (for example moving from LA to Orange County).

I like the city. But I’m not willing to live in an old dilapidated house. That’s why I rent a new condo downtown.

If I were to buy an old house, I’d fix it first before moving in. If you look at houses for sale, crisp and clean, move-in condition houses sell very quickly.

In my opinion, it’s not the newness per se, but it’s the cleanliness and general of condition of the house and neighborhood.

Having said all of that, I personally hate the suburbs, but I understand the attraction. That’s why I believe cities need to remake themselves to attract new residents and increase their tax bases.

BTW, I also hate the Cheesecake Factory. But I understand why they are successful.

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