should I buy in temecula

[spdrun]

Believe it of not, you can still do that in states that aren’t run by petty fascist motherfuckers. Town I grew up in doesn’t even have school busing, so it’s normal that kids walk to/from school and activities, and no cop would look twice at a school-age kid who’s outside unless the kid looked hurt. (The town also put out a warning to parents not to drive kids to school if possible in the local paper — they said it increases traffic and endangers pedestrians.)

This being said, as a whole, FUCK the average American TV-watching sheep and FUCK the US mainstream media for perpetuating a culture of fear during a time where crime is down. Proof that most Americans are microcephalic sheep:
http://reason.com/archives/2014/08/20/helicopter-parenting-run-amok-most-ameri#.jzxxsl:4RJf

And I wish nothing better than a slow, agonizing case of MRSA of the soft parts to the cops and CPS assholes who tormented that poor couple in Maryland. So glad they won in court. Hope they own the police department and CPS by the time the lawsuits are done flying.

[Hobie]

..been laid lately? 😉

[spdrun]

I guess if you can’t speak to the subject at hand (Americans are a bunch of paranoid, mostly stupid nanny-staters), you have to speak about the sex life of someone you don’t know. Lol. The person who makes the ad-hominem attack loses.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=FlyerInHi]Im driving to Vegas today with a load of furniture from crate barrel fort furnished rental. Just stopped in canyon lake near lake Elsinore [/quote]

Lots of new shopping and homes going into that area.

Like it or not its going to be a good sized town soon,

[FlyerInHi]

I notice a lot shops at Dos Lagos in South Corona. They even have a z gallerie which are rather rare.

Crate and Barrel and room and board are my 2 favorite stores.

Ikea has a 2 million residents threshold. I have read that they are looking at San Marcos because San Diego is over 3 million + overflow from the temecula/Murietta area would make it profitable to open a second store.

An area has not arrived until it gets an ikea.

[FlyerInHi]

I like spd’s passion for freedom. It’s true that, because of the culture of fear, we have lost a lot of freedom.
For example people don’t hitch hike anymore because they are afraid.

[bearishgurl]

Just popped in to look around tonight, also. Interesting thread …

I agree with Shoveler about downsizing boomers (and older) preferring a one-story house. A house with no stairs with a flat front entrance (without stairs leading up to it) and a flat, wide driveway (to park a boat on w/o using bricks) is hard to find in coastal CA counties. Even one-story condos and PUDS seem to go fast and at a premium. I’m a boomer on the cusp of “retirement” and I definitely would prefer a house like that and I don’t care if its 1300 or 2300 sf (or somewhere in between). South Lake Tahoe has a lot of reasonable inventory that fill the bill.

I agree with FIH in that living in LA, Ventura or SD Counties or the OC is far preferable for a worker bee than living in Riv County, especially southern Riv Co (too remote to most good jobs). San Bern County (south of the summit) is also remote for workers to live in to a slightly lesser extent. I think it’s true that Temecula always attracted both homebuyers and renters for size and newer age of homes for the money in recent years and that was the original (and continuing) sole reason for buying a principal residence out there. Now TV just so happens to have a few busy tourist attractions in its midst and thus has managed to put itself on the map over the last decade.

For the same money, if TV homebuyers would have been willing to accept a smaller, 1950’s or 1960’s nondescript cosmetic fixer in say Clairemont (SD Co), Buena Park or Orange (OC) or El Monte (LA co), for example, they wouldn’t have had anywhere near the horrendous commute to their jobs as they did/do from TV. They traded those two extra hours daily in commute time they could have spent with their families (and also agreed to pay MR/HOA) for a larger, more modern home for the same money as a home would have cost them in the more established areas (examples above). In short, buying in TV and moving out there was a personal decision which either ended up working out long term for these workers and their families … or it didn’t. Residential RE in TV fell in value much, much more in the recession than did the more established areas in coastal counties and seems to have recovered 75% of that fallen value today (on average). Make no mistake … the families headed by worker bees who bought into TV and stayed to raise their families there paid a hefty premium to do so, imho. Aside from the MR/HOA that the well-established communities didn’t have, this “premium” paid to reside in TV wasn’t in money. It was in time lost with family … something a person can never get back (not even taking into account tires, auto maintenance and gasoline, which cost money).

I’m not putting down TV, here. I do realize it has some light industry as well as some white-collar jobs available in a few sectors (but not nearly enough for its working-age population). I am impressed by its attractions and the fact that it can now bill itself as a legitimate tourist destination, but I’m NOT impressed by its traffic.

The established, close in cities in CA coastal counties are more expensive to live in for very valid reasons. The truth is, location trumps all and the “right” location will buy a lot of freedom for a FT worker. [end rant]

I DON’T agree with FIH that former “Californians” choose to live in LV (or AZ) because it is the next best thing to living in SoCal and they’re not yet ready to “downgrade” to CO or KS. First of all, living in the arid desert floor that is LV and Phoenix with these cities’ oppressive heat nine months per year does not compare in any way, shape or form to living in a CA coastal county. The two lifestyles are apples and oranges. LV is what it is and you can’t fix this, FIH!

And uhh, secondly, perhaps KS might be a “downgrade” from SoCal as far as having cheaper housing to buy/rent but if you think CO is cheaper than SoCal, you’ve been hanging around too much with the 420 crowd on your visits there and haven’t been paying attention! Residential RE is very pricey in all the good areas in CO and not that cheap in the mediocre areas. In some mountain towns, most of the available listings are permanently-skirted mobile homes and manufactured homes asking $300K+.

In all the good areas of Denver near the well-paying jobs, SFRs cost $475K on up to $1.6M (not incl the exclusive “old money” enclaves, which are more expensive). Even the neighborhoods situated on well-known “Type A” flood plains have asking prices of $375K to $525K for a 65 yo SFR! Boulder prices are on par with Pt Loma and LJ (SD). Douglas Co and CO Springs are far from cheap. The ski-resort towns and other mountain towns (with fishing, boating, hiking, jeeping, ziplining, hot-air ballooning, whitewater rafting, etc) are very expensive to buy into as well and there is a dearth of listings in them. The western slope from Grand Jct to Durango can be ridiculously expensive and gets moreso the further south you go. The cheapest wood shack in Telluride will cost at least $900K and need $200K of work before it is habitable … that is, IF you can find one for sale! (Most Telluride homebuyers there can only afford a timeshare costing $350K+ for a 1/52 undivided interest!) A 1600 – 1800 sf ranch home in Durango of any age will cost $425K to $575K.

If you want to move to CO for “reasonable living costs” and you must take out a mortgage, then try Longmont (but not for long, it’s inching higher with every sale) or Erie, Greeley and the rest of Weld County, Sterling, Ft Morgan, Lamar and Pueblo/La Junta. In short … living in the icy, windy plains has a “reasonable” cost … or just stay in LV or Phoenix.

US locales with cold, snowy winters aren’t necessary “cheap” to reside in. In addition, their residents have much higher winter utility bills than do CA coastal dwellers … Case in point, Jackson, WY and other WY and ID towns in the Tetons. The cheapest SFR listings in Jackson list for $750K and up and are not even built on site! The spring AND summer combined in this region is only 5-8 weeks long so any new construction must be built off site and carried into the area in pieces and erected quickly as weather permits. Hence, a large portion of SFRs there are “manufactured homes.” The typical home worth $750K to $950K in Jackson is a 2200 – 2700 sf one-story Manuf home with an attached two car garage erected on a desolate lot with little to no landscaping. Why do Teton residents need landscaping if it can’t survive for more than two months per year? Occasionally, skirted mobile homes are for sale in secondary towns in the Tetons which are situated on large lots or acreage. However, overall there is a dearth of listings in the region year-round.

In short, many cold, snowy regions of the US are every bit as pricey as CA coastal counties or rapidly catching up … especially in the well-known (and desirable) tourist towns and ski resorts of the rockies. The soon-to-be retiree on a tight budget is going to have a tougher time with relocation if they were dreaming of retiring in or near a touristy mountainous area. We will probably see many more of them “retiring in place” than originally intended to, especially in CA (due to low property taxes pursuant to Prop 13).

[temeculaguy]

Not all Temeculans are commuting to jobs in the city of San Diego. The 2011 census reports that 38,000 people commuted daily from riverside county to San Diego county. Southwest riverside county has probably 300-500k people. So that’s somewhere around 10%. But not many of those commute to the City of San Diego, most commute to the North County, where the actual jobs are for most who make the move. Surprisingly that’s where many of the good jobs and the job growth is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_County_%28San_Diego_area%29#cite_note-CPA-3

One highlight from the wikipedia article on the North county:

“In modern times, North County continues to grow as a highly influential region of Greater San Diego. The top twenty-five employers in San Diego County are closer to the North County city of Carlsbad than San Diego proper.”

The North County is becoming the center of the county economically in some ways and SW riverside’s commuters are more than likely going there as opposed to Downtown.

http://www.bestplaces.net/transportation/city/california/temecula

Shows the average temeculan commutes 33 minutes, 8 minutes longer than the average american.

I know there are some people with crazy commutes, but that is anecdotal, not average. We are not spending decades driving 3-4 hours per day. A few might be, but it’s not the majority. There are also probably Chula Vista residents driving to Escondido to work.Probably not all and probably not be design, but I’ll bet they exist.

The future Mrs. TG drives to the Northern half of San Marcos, she moved in with me a a few years ago and she will retire in about 5-7 years, she moved from North Park and now her drive is shorter. Many people do not work for an employer with a single building and over the years their work location, even with the same employer can change, especially as part of a promotion. When she moved to North Park she was close to work, but that didn’t last long and the majority of the time she lived there she was commuting to the North County. Her tiny rental cost as much as my mortgage, so that can be a reason for people as jobs move, lower cost housing and a shorter commutes can be one in the same. You ask why someone would commute and lose time, I ask why someone would pay a large part of their income to live close to things they cannot afford to do, it’s all based on the individual, their specific situation and what they want. I bought my car in 2011, I have put 10k total miles on it in the last 4 years (2,500 a year) which included driving it to vegas once or twice and to northern california about once per year and I live in Temecula. I bought it used and the tires were already worn a bit so I recently had to buy tires, but they will probably rot before the tread wears off since it will be 15 years before the estimated 40k tread life estimate is reached. But that’s also anecdotal and not average. I realize that. So if your world is south of I-8, this is not for you, don’t buy here, but understand your experience is not everyone’s, its just your experience.

[svelte]

[quote=spdrun]
This being said, as a whole, FUCK the average American TV-watching sheep and FUCK the US mainstream media for perpetuating a culture of fear during a time where crime is down..[/quote]

Have you ever tried standing back and trying to see how you look as an impartial third party?

[svelte]

Temecula is a fine town. We’ve had many a pleasant experience there…

The one thing I haven’t been able to get on board with is old town – maybe we just aren’t doing it right but it always seems to be a parking-disabled, drunken overpopulated tourist trap. But then again, isn’t that what all “old town”s are about? Sac, SD, on and on.

Wine country is awesome…can’t count the number of friends we’ve made there. Cherished memories for sure.

[The-Shoveler]

[quote=temeculaguy]Not all Temeculans are commuting to jobs in the city of San Diego. The 2011 census reports that 38,000 people commuted daily from riverside county to San Diego county. Southwest riverside county has probably 300-500k people. So that’s somewhere around 10%. But not many of those commute to the City of San Diego, most commute to the North County, where the actual jobs are for most who make the move. Surprisingly that’s where many of the good jobs and the job growth is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_County_%28San_Diego_area%29#cite_note-CPA-3
[/quote]

I don’t drive much during rush hour in TV but the few times I do I have been seeing more and more people going the other direction (out of TV into SD) at 5:00-6:00PM.

Corona and surrounds has been building it’s industrial base quite a bit over the last 10 years, more than a few in TV go that direction as well.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=temeculaguy]Not all Temeculans are commuting to jobs in the city of San Diego. The 2011 census reports that 38,000 people commuted daily from riverside county to San Diego county. Southwest riverside county has probably 300-500k people. So that’s somewhere around 10%. But not many of those commute to the City of San Diego, most commute to the North County, where the actual jobs are for most who make the move. Surprisingly that’s where many of the good jobs and the job growth is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_County_%28San_Diego_area%29#cite_note-CPA-3

One highlight from the wikipedia article on the North county:

“In modern times, North County continues to grow as a highly influential region of Greater San Diego. The top twenty-five employers in San Diego County are closer to the North County city of Carlsbad than San Diego proper.”

The North County is becoming the center of the county economically in some ways and SW riverside’s commuters are more than likely going there as opposed to Downtown.

http://www.bestplaces.net/transportation/city/california/temecula

Shows the average temeculan commutes 33 minutes, 8 minutes longer than the average american.

I know there are some people with crazy commutes, but that is anecdotal, not average. We are not spending decades driving 3-4 hours per day. A few might be, but it’s not the majority. There are also probably Chula Vista residents driving to Escondido to work.Probably not all and probably not be design, but I’ll bet they exist.

The future Mrs. TG drives to the Northern half of San Marcos, she moved in with me a a few years ago and she will retire in about 5-7 years, she moved from North Park and now her drive is shorter. Many people do not work for an employer with a single building and over the years their work location, even with the same employer can change, especially as part of a promotion. When she moved to North Park she was close to work, but that didn’t last long and the majority of the time she lived there she was commuting to the North County. Her tiny rental cost as much as my mortgage, so that can be a reason for people as jobs move, lower cost housing and a shorter commutes can be one in the same. You ask why someone would commute and lose time, I ask why someone would pay a large part of their income to live close to things they cannot afford to do, it’s all based on the individual, their specific situation and what they want. I bought my car in 2011, I have put 10k total miles on it in the last 4 years (2,500 a year) which included driving it to vegas once or twice and to northern california about once per year and I live in Temecula. I bought it used and the tires were already worn a bit so I recently had to buy tires, but they will probably rot before the tread wears off since it will be 15 years before the estimated 40k tread life estimate is reached. But that’s also anecdotal and not average. I realize that. So if your world is south of I-8, this is not for you, don’t buy here, but understand your experience is not everyone’s, its just your experience.[/quote]

Weird. It took me exactly 33 minutes to ride to work the other day on my electric bike. However I was hauling ass.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=svelte][quote=spdrun]
This being said, as a whole, FUCK the average American TV-watching sheep and FUCK the US mainstream media for perpetuating a culture of fear during a time where crime is down..[/quote]

Have you ever tried standing back and trying to see how you look as an impartial third party?[/quote]

We like being terrified.

[spdrun]

Fear increases cortisol levels which leads to obesity, which we’re all being taught to be legitimately terrified of. Vicious cycle, can’t win. We’re doomed, all of us.

[spdrun]

Fear increases cortisol levels which leads to obesity, which we’re all being taught to be legitimately terrified of. Vicious cycle, can’t win.

But it’s OK. If we gain enough weight collectively, we won’t have to worry about our kids playing outside since they’ll not have the strength to do so.

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