San Diego homeless, mercifully, do not live very long

[phaster]

skimming the morning news read

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San Diego homeless, mercifully, do not live very long

…the homeless situation is very unfair both to homeowners and the homeless at the same time, as well as to businesses. Why should property owners be forced to allow trespassing on beaches and in canyons, plus be responsible for cleanup? Redevelopment has thousands of costs like this hidden from the public.

…I do not expect San Diego to be able to fix its homeless problem, and I hope and wish to be proven wrong. For 30 years the theme has been, “Now we finally have the solution!” The Homeless Outreach Team does not help the homeless, it “rotates” them. Homelessness is a rotation that begins when your boss at work files for bankruptcy. Then you can’t find a job that pays enough money to afford rent.

…I have lived in Hillcrest for 15 years, and it is a disgusting place to live now (“Hillcrest: gayborhood or ghetto?,” Cover Stories, January 2). I wake up each morning to human shit on my sidewalk and trash dumped onto the hood of my car. Rent has skyrocketed and the City Council had done nothing to make changes. I have written and called both Todd Gloria and Chris Ward about the need to clean up Hillcrest. No action has been taken. People are moving out in droves.

http://www.sandiegoreader.com/news/2019/jan/09/letters-san-diego-homeless-do-not-live-very-lon/
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and

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Morning Report: City Spending on Homeless Is Up Big, Results Not So Hot

http://www.voiceofsandiego.org/topics/news/morning-report-city-spending-on-homeless-is-up-big-results-not-so-hot/
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sifting the hard numbers out of news articles tells me for 2019 San Diego “real estate” is heading for a fall because politicians like Todd Gloria and Chris Ward (who represent the district) are not addressing the problems!!! or said another way seems its willful ignorance by political leadership

http://www.TinyURL.com/2019SDRE

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…paper by Julie Irwin and some other colleagues who wrote a paper on this idea of willful ignorance. And the idea was that you had a product and you had access to a whole bunch of different pieces of information. And one of them was the labor conditions or the environmental conditions. And the question was do people actually ask for this information? And you can look at it if you want, but you could decide not to look at it. And it turns out people didn’t want to look at that information because they didn’t really want to be confronted with this kind of conflict between their beliefs and, you know, what they really wanted. And they found this effect was stronger for people who cared more about labor issues, who cared more about environmental issues.

…The folks who care the most about ethics might be most willing to turn a blind eye to unethical business practices because they know if they found out about those practices, they would feel obliged to do something about it.

http://www.npr.org/2017/04/24/525117474/boycotts-and-buycotts-how-we-use-money-to-express-ourselves
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thoughts???

[spdrun]

Thoughts?

Self-fixing problem. Gentrification and pricing people out of the market lead to homelessness. Now, the gentrifiers are feeling a pricing pinch due to the homelessness problem that they in part created.

Karma’s a stone bitch.

[The-Shoveler]

Suburbs

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]Thoughts?

Self-fixing problem. Gentrification and pricing people out of the market lead to homelessness. Now, the gentrifiers are feeling a pricing pinch due to the homelessness problem that they in part created.

Karma’s a stone bitch.[/quote]

It’s not gentrification. People who can’t afford rent in Hilcrest can always move to cheaper areas. They may not like it but it’s a workable option.

It’s drugs and mental illness. We have a moral crisis in America. Stephen Colbert said 1/12th the population has a felony conviction. Not counting all the other crimes and dysfunction.

[spdrun]

Yeah. We have a fuckin’ moral crisis, but it’s not the PEOPLE being immoral. It’s a crisis of greedy piece of shit (generally local and state) governments using petty fines instead of taxes to raise revenue.

Set speed limits arbitrarily low. Go for a fishing expedition when people who are already poor are pulled over. Stick them with $2000 of fines which they can’t pay. Crack in the tail light? Cha-ching! Burned out headlight? Cha-ching!

Take their license. When they’re pulled over again, confiscate their car and jail them for a while. Congrats! They’ve just lost their job and are unable to get to work because public transportation stinks in the USA.

Show up at their house. Arrest them for having a run-down property. When they can’t pay the fine, stick them with contempt-of-court charges. When they turn to drugs to escape their shitty reality, bust them for felony possession, jail them, take their voting rights.

Case will never see a jury that could mitigate punishment, either — excessive sentences tend to be used by prosecutors to bully people into accepting “time served” and a felony record. I’d suspect that 90% of felons are made by the American system, not born with criminal tendencies.

When I look at what happened in places like Ferguson, MO, I think that the rioters didn’t go far enough. Their anger was justified and then some. Yellow vest protests combined with some public floggings would have been about right.

I don’t like Trump, but I see him as a catalyst. Make voters so angry that they elect more left/less authoritarian candidates on the local, state, and Congressional level who support things like sentencing reform, decriminalization of victimless crimes, and expanding the social/health safety net.

[barnaby33]

Can you find an example in history where pissed off voters turned left, before a hard right turn?
Josh

[spdrun]

The US has ALREADY been “hard right” since the time of Ronald “Alzheimer” Reagan (may his memory rot in hell). We’ve tried being hard-right by developed-world standards, and this is failing a lot of people.

If you’re trying to make a comparison to Nazi Germany, the US is not equivalent.

[FlyerInHi]

Good points spd. But kinder glentler will not work in America. Our badass cowboy mentality is incompatible with the 21st century.

Drugs and dysfunction are everywhere. Combine that with a hyper sports and military culture. We are really fucked up people, yet we like to think we are the greatest. And you can’t say otherwise else you get demonized for not being patriotic.

Anyway, I have given up on America as an aggregate. Landlords are responsible to themselves and maximizing their shareholder value. They should not be expected to house whackjobs who can’t pay rent.

[The-Shoveler]

Sounds very conservative LOL.

[NeetaT]

OK, new rule, no public money for the homeless crises. There is plenty of private money. If you want to give, give. Our society is rife with social programs that drain the wallets of everyone from the super rich to the lower middle class.

[spdrun]

What if it’s cheaper to give them a place to live than to deal with ER visits, illness due to human excrement on the streets, and incarceration? Use public money to get them clean, put them in job training, and get them the mental health aid that they need, if they need it.

[njtosd]

This case has contributed a lot to the distribution of homeless people, I believe, especially the LA tent city. . https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-homeless-9th-circuit-20180904-story.html%3foutputType=amp

Not surprising to see that spdrun has continued on his course of accelerating bitterness.

[spdrun]

The problem isn’t that I’m bitter. The problem is that other people aren’t bitter enough about a system that costs huge amount of taxpayer money and ruins lives 🙁

Balzac once wrote that it’s equally illegal for a rich man and a poor man to beg for food or sleep on the street. If the homeless don’t have a place to sleep, how is citing them or fining them really going to help things? I guess jail will give them a bed for the night, but it’s an expensive and inhumane way of doing things vs building more shelter space.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]The problem isn’t that I’m bitter. The problem is that other people aren’t bitter enough about a system that costs huge amount of taxpayer money and ruins lives 🙁
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I’m not bitter. Bitterness is self destructive.
One just need to open ones eyes to see the truth. However, the people most affected by bad policies delude themselves that they are being served.

I see clearly that on individual level people are the source of their own problems. But on a societal level, we are not providing solutions. “Just say no” ain’t working.

Substance addiction will only get worse, not better. If we want solutions, we just need to look at societies that do a better job dealing with family dysfunction and drugs. But we’re stubborn and badasses so we refuse to learn. It’s easier to look away and blame Mexicans for our own moral failings.

[spdrun]

I’m not bitter. Bitterness is self destructive.

Bitterness got Trump elected, which may not be such a bad thing. Trump is a rightist authoritarian asshole, and he has generated a lot of anger and backlash. If the backlash consists of leftist candidates with looser views on “law, order, God, and patriotism” coming into office, this could be a great thing. End the wars on drugs, stop fighting in foreign wars that we have no hope of winning, spend money on lifting people up, not throwing them in prison.

Education, infrastructure, public health care. Live and let live. Decriminalize personal use of drugs. Lower the drinking age to 18. Abolish capital punishment. Reform criminal sentencing laws. Make it 1975 again, politically speaking.

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