really upset about kavanaugh

[spdrun]

^^^

I know you’re speaking sarcastically, but I think we actually should. Public schools should be state-run with strict standards and teachers with specific skills being randomly assigned in a given area to assure equal levels of education statewide. Anyone who’s capable should be able to select AP/IB or college-prep track courses.

As far as substance use/abuse, it shouldn’t be a police matter at all absent some other crime being committed. If someone is a danger to themselves or others, they should be committed for appropriate psych treatment, not imprisoned.

Underage drinking? Do what most of the world does, lower the liquor age to 18 or 19. 99% of college students drink — I’d rather it be out in the open where there’s social pressure not to get sloppy, and bartenders can cut them off if they’re being morons.

The American focus on punishment, criminalization, and marginalization of the poor should disappear.

[bibsoconner]

I think what folks that are supporting Kavanaugh are missing are:
1) There are multiple reports of sexual harassment from different women. There are also reports from males and females of his excessive drinking. His testimony doesn’t seem credible given the amount of people that are contradicting him.
2) This is not a court of law and there is no “innocent until proven guilty” presumption. He is applying for a life time job. If you were going to have your house painted and I told you the painter was a scumbag, and then other people said disparaging things, would you still let him in your house? Clearly, I could be coordinating with others to slander this good painters name, but you certainly have the right to pick another painter. And I suspect most people would. And that’s for a fixed length job to paint your house!

Anyhow, food for thought and no, I don’t hate painters 🙂

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=spdrun]^^^

I know you’re speaking sarcastically, but I think we actually should. Public schools should be state-run with strict standards and teachers with specific skills being randomly assigned in a given area to assure equal levels of education statewide. Anyone who’s capable should be able to select AP/IB or college-prep track courses.

As far as substance use/abuse, it shouldn’t be a police matter at all absent some other crime being committed. If someone is a danger to themselves or others, they should be committed for appropriate psych treatment, not imprisoned.

Underage drinking? Do what most of the world does, lower the liquor age to 18 or 19. 99% of college students drink — I’d rather it be out in the open where there’s social pressure not to get sloppy, and bartenders can cut them off if they’re being morons.

The American focus on punishment, criminalization, and marginalization of the poor should disappear.[/quote]

I agree with you….. BUT America is a violent culture and substance abuse manifests itself in violent ways. In other developed countries, people are not walking around with guns looking for an opportunity to blow someone’s head off.

Poor Americans often grow up to be disrespectful and violent. I’m not blaming them…. we have failed our own people. The solution is long term education and social support, but don’t hold your breath.

The cops are involved weekly in condos I manage. Latest incident… an old white dude who’s always drunk attacked a young white dude who complained about the old guy feeding pigeons that shit on his bmw. Was an assault necessary? Of course, the cops were involved.

It’s always men who are violent and disturb the peace. Women don’t cause problems on their own. One Black woman let the bother move in and the problems begin — noise, drugs, parties. I called the cops on a roudy party. The brother moved out and peace again!

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=bibsoconner]I think what folks that are supporting Kavanaugh are missing are:
1) There are multiple reports of sexual harassment from different women. There are also reports from males and females of his excessive drinking. His testimony doesn’t seem credible given the amount of people that are contradicting him.
2) This is not a court of law and there is no “innocent until proven guilty” presumption. He is applying for a life time job. If you were going to have your house painted and I told you the painter was a scumbag, and then other people said disparaging things, would you still let him in your house? Clearly, I could be coordinating with others to slander this good painters name, but you certainly have the right to pick another painter. And I suspect most people would. And that’s for a fixed length job to paint your house!

Anyhow, food for thought and no, I don’t hate painters :)[/quote]

Exactly! Same with screening tenants. Not every applicant has the right to rent your house. If you don’t trust an applicant you can wait until the next one.

[scaredyclassic]

dudes a liar.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/09/how-we-know-kavanaugh-is-lying

[Myriad]

This whole thing has turned into a s***show. This would never have happened if the White House knew how to properly vet candidates for positions in government. They could have picked a number of other conservative judges that are just as qualified and don’t have the baggage.

After watching some of Kavanaugh’s testimony on Thur, I’m shocked that he’s a judge and one that’s up for the SC. He should be disqualified based on his demeanor, lack of candor, disrespect to the Senate, and paritsan attacks. And I’m giving him a “pass” on something (or at least supposedly) that happened 30+ years ago. He also completely mismanaged how he explained his background in high school/college. He was a extremely heavy drinker (at least that seems to be somewhat corroborated) – you’re not going to be able to hid it. Yet he pretended like none of that happened – unless he was so drunk he really doesn’t remember.

[FlyerInHi]

Notice that Kavanaugh keeps on saying he never sexually assaulted anyone. He’s legally parsing to mean he never forced intercourse.

Kavanaugh is a fighter and he’s taking a page from Trump. He needs Trump’s support so the White House doesn’t bail on him. He went on the attack and tnat pleased Trump.

And Jeff Seasions is auditioning to become the next attorney general.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=flu]

Isn’t that sort of scary? I mean I thought the way it works here is there is a presumption of innocence.
[/quote]
Apparently, statistically, 2% of rape claims are false. Scary only if you think women will come out of the woodwork making false claims.

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=scaredyclassic]dudes a liar.

https://www.currentaffairs.org/2018/09/how-we-know-kavanaugh-is-lying
[/quote]

There is a letter written by Kavanaugh himself. He signed it Bart which is the name of the drunkard in mark judge’s book.

[Coronita]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=flu]

Isn’t that sort of scary? I mean I thought the way it works here is there is a presumption of innocence.
[/quote]
Apparently, statistically, 2% of rape claims are false. Scary only if you think women will come out of the woodwork making false claims.[/quote]

When did I say she came out and made an intentional false claim. I never said that. I think I specifically said I think something did happen to her, perhaps your reading comprehension missed that.

My issue with the debacle is how this entire thing was turned into a circus partly due to trump, partly due to feinstein, and I feel sorry for the real abuse victims.

In your retirement years, must you camp out on every thread and try to stir things up on every thread? Bored with life much?

[FlyerInHi]

Flu, what exactly is the scary part?
I read in your statement that it’s scary that innocent men can be unjustly accused of sexual assault /rape. If not, then why even bring up presumption of innocence?

You and other Kavanaugh supporters are trying to hedge, that is to claim Kavanaugh is innocent while at the same time claim to believe that “something did happen to her.” Yeah, like something happened to her but she’s mixed up and identified the wrong guy.

[Coronita]

That’s a good point scaredy…I think I went from indifference, let the results of FBI investigation to decide, to “he lacks the temperment to be a judge”..
. pass…

anyway, I am trying to avoid American politics….it seems like one big soap opera for rich, old, ugly people.

[scaredyclassic]

It’s not scary to think about 2% of rape claims being false if we lived in a society where prosecutors prefiling or jurors postfiling truly applied the reasonable doubt standard to criminal trials. However, that’s not the case. Jurors often have doubts, but feel it’s unsafe to let a potential rapist go, so they convict.

In the context of Kavanaugh, it seems like the thinking of senators should be, well, there’s a 98% chance we are going to confirm a lying, sociopathic drunk rapist on the supreme court for life. Maybe we should investigate and err on the side of caution.

I would think that would be partisan point of view. The neutral point of view would be, there’s a 100% chance he’s a liar, so let’s just put another candidate on the court.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=flu]That’s a good point scaredy…I think I went from indifference, let the results of FBI investigation to decide, to “he lacks the temperment to be a judge”..
. pass…

anyway, I am trying to avoid American politics….it seems like one big soap opera for rich, old, ugly people.[/quote]

fair enough. i like to think the courts, while not sacred, wouldat least pretend to be nonpartisan and thoughtful and that politicians of both sides could at least speak up against a jurist ranting about unsupported conspiracy theories.

that is just fucked up, so, the republicans can go fuck themselves. my Green party vote wont affect either side, but still, what a bunch of ratfuck old shitheads.

fuck them

[outtamojo]

So I guess this is the best conservative judge out there ? Nah, probably the only one willing to play their brand of ball.
Meanwhile McConnell says he wont be intimidated by protesters, iow he has no compunction to listen to the will of the people.

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