Question for SD Realtor, Rustico, etc.

[Jumby]

http://homes.realtor.com/search/listingdetail.aspx?ctid=78037&ml=3&mxp=54&typ=20&sid=d575e6c58c214d338373521591c79c4a&pg=1&lid=1074679780&lsn=4&srcnt=10#Detail

How much you guys think to get this piece of land ready for a modular?

It says “Topography: Level lot”.

[NotCranky]

50-75K for the very basics(including foundation, if there isn’t anything exceptional about the lot. The mls listing has comments about engineering drawings available so you don’t know what that means without looking into it.It looks like it requires a septic system if the health dept will approve it. Electrical should be no big deal since it is in the area.
I think the price for the lot is way too high. This is a pretty eclectic area of expensive homes and dogs where the real value is in the land. There is a lot of commercial stuff nearby. You might want to google earth the area, if you haven’t already.

I have always liked Bonita.The area is being pretty impacted by the growth around it during last 15 years. There is a lot of widening of surface streets and more traffic. Even the 125 is about ready to be opened just to the east. This isn’t so much the quiet little retreat in the concrete jungle that it used to be…It could just get overwhelmed until it almost seems out of place like old parts of Poway, Escondido and PCH.Excuse the ramblings. My sense of nostalgia dislikes the changes.

[NotCranky]

50-75K for the very basics(including foundation, if there isn’t anything exceptional about the lot. The mls listing has comments about engineering drawings available so you don’t know what that means without looking into it.It looks like it requires a septic system if the health dept will approve it. Electrical should be no big deal since it is in the area.
I think the price for the lot is way too high. This is a pretty eclectic area of expensive homes and dogs where the real value is in the land. There is a lot of commercial stuff nearby. You might want to google earth the area, if you haven’t already.

I have always liked Bonita.The area is being pretty impacted by the growth around it during last 15 years. There is a lot of widening of surface streets and more traffic. Even the 125 is about ready to be opened just to the east. This isn’t so much the quiet little retreat in the concrete jungle that it used to be…It could just get overwhelmed until it almost seems out of place like old parts of Poway, Escondido and PCH.Excuse the ramblings. My sense of nostalgia dislikes the changes.

[NotCranky]

50-75K for the very basics(including foundation, if there isn’t anything exceptional about the lot. The mls listing has comments about engineering drawings available so you don’t know what that means without looking into it.It looks like it requires a septic system if the health dept will approve it. Electrical should be no big deal since it is in the area.
I think the price for the lot is way too high. This is a pretty eclectic area of expensive homes and dogs where the real value is in the land. There is a lot of commercial stuff nearby. You might want to google earth the area, if you haven’t already.

I have always liked Bonita.The area is being pretty impacted by the growth around it during last 15 years. There is a lot of widening of surface streets and more traffic. Even the 125 is about ready to be opened just to the east. This isn’t so much the quiet little retreat in the concrete jungle that it used to be…It could just get overwhelmed until it almost seems out of place like old parts of Poway, Escondido and PCH.Excuse the ramblings. My sense of nostalgia dislikes the changes.

[NotCranky]

50-75K for the very basics(including foundation, if there isn’t anything exceptional about the lot. The mls listing has comments about engineering drawings available so you don’t know what that means without looking into it.It looks like it requires a septic system if the health dept will approve it. Electrical should be no big deal since it is in the area.
I think the price for the lot is way too high. This is a pretty eclectic area of expensive homes and dogs where the real value is in the land. There is a lot of commercial stuff nearby. You might want to google earth the area, if you haven’t already.

I have always liked Bonita.The area is being pretty impacted by the growth around it during last 15 years. There is a lot of widening of surface streets and more traffic. Even the 125 is about ready to be opened just to the east. This isn’t so much the quiet little retreat in the concrete jungle that it used to be…It could just get overwhelmed until it almost seems out of place like old parts of Poway, Escondido and PCH.Excuse the ramblings. My sense of nostalgia dislikes the changes.

[NotCranky]

50-75K for the very basics(including foundation, if there isn’t anything exceptional about the lot. The mls listing has comments about engineering drawings available so you don’t know what that means without looking into it.It looks like it requires a septic system if the health dept will approve it. Electrical should be no big deal since it is in the area.
I think the price for the lot is way too high. This is a pretty eclectic area of expensive homes and dogs where the real value is in the land. There is a lot of commercial stuff nearby. You might want to google earth the area, if you haven’t already.

I have always liked Bonita.The area is being pretty impacted by the growth around it during last 15 years. There is a lot of widening of surface streets and more traffic. Even the 125 is about ready to be opened just to the east. This isn’t so much the quiet little retreat in the concrete jungle that it used to be…It could just get overwhelmed until it almost seems out of place like old parts of Poway, Escondido and PCH.Excuse the ramblings. My sense of nostalgia dislikes the changes.

[ucodegen]

@Bugs

The raised foundation is a killer when it comes to buyer appeal.

I would have to disagree with you on this (with caveats). I have lived in both raised floor and slab foundations. I prefer a properly built raised floor foundation. Plumbing repairs in a slab foundation can be a nightmare. When you buy a house built on a slab foundation, the state of the plumbing is an un-inspectable potential black hole.

I think what does turn off people on raised foundations is floor flex and noise. This has much to do with how the floor was constructed. I don’t know what the specs on the modulars are. The spacing on stick built depends upon span and spacing between joists. Unfortunately most construction tends to push the spacing to the limit. Closer spacing and larger joists (in the vertical dimension) make a tighter raised floor.

There are also issues with large tile/marble floors on a raised floor foundation.

[ucodegen]

@Bugs

The raised foundation is a killer when it comes to buyer appeal.

I would have to disagree with you on this (with caveats). I have lived in both raised floor and slab foundations. I prefer a properly built raised floor foundation. Plumbing repairs in a slab foundation can be a nightmare. When you buy a house built on a slab foundation, the state of the plumbing is an un-inspectable potential black hole.

I think what does turn off people on raised foundations is floor flex and noise. This has much to do with how the floor was constructed. I don’t know what the specs on the modulars are. The spacing on stick built depends upon span and spacing between joists. Unfortunately most construction tends to push the spacing to the limit. Closer spacing and larger joists (in the vertical dimension) make a tighter raised floor.

There are also issues with large tile/marble floors on a raised floor foundation.

[ucodegen]

@Bugs

The raised foundation is a killer when it comes to buyer appeal.

I would have to disagree with you on this (with caveats). I have lived in both raised floor and slab foundations. I prefer a properly built raised floor foundation. Plumbing repairs in a slab foundation can be a nightmare. When you buy a house built on a slab foundation, the state of the plumbing is an un-inspectable potential black hole.

I think what does turn off people on raised foundations is floor flex and noise. This has much to do with how the floor was constructed. I don’t know what the specs on the modulars are. The spacing on stick built depends upon span and spacing between joists. Unfortunately most construction tends to push the spacing to the limit. Closer spacing and larger joists (in the vertical dimension) make a tighter raised floor.

There are also issues with large tile/marble floors on a raised floor foundation.

[ucodegen]

@Bugs

The raised foundation is a killer when it comes to buyer appeal.

I would have to disagree with you on this (with caveats). I have lived in both raised floor and slab foundations. I prefer a properly built raised floor foundation. Plumbing repairs in a slab foundation can be a nightmare. When you buy a house built on a slab foundation, the state of the plumbing is an un-inspectable potential black hole.

I think what does turn off people on raised foundations is floor flex and noise. This has much to do with how the floor was constructed. I don’t know what the specs on the modulars are. The spacing on stick built depends upon span and spacing between joists. Unfortunately most construction tends to push the spacing to the limit. Closer spacing and larger joists (in the vertical dimension) make a tighter raised floor.

There are also issues with large tile/marble floors on a raised floor foundation.

[ucodegen]

@Bugs

The raised foundation is a killer when it comes to buyer appeal.

I would have to disagree with you on this (with caveats). I have lived in both raised floor and slab foundations. I prefer a properly built raised floor foundation. Plumbing repairs in a slab foundation can be a nightmare. When you buy a house built on a slab foundation, the state of the plumbing is an un-inspectable potential black hole.

I think what does turn off people on raised foundations is floor flex and noise. This has much to do with how the floor was constructed. I don’t know what the specs on the modulars are. The spacing on stick built depends upon span and spacing between joists. Unfortunately most construction tends to push the spacing to the limit. Closer spacing and larger joists (in the vertical dimension) make a tighter raised floor.

There are also issues with large tile/marble floors on a raised floor foundation.

[NotCranky]

I have been thinking of this issue Bugs brought up as well. The topic is near and dear to me currently. I figured that maybe his valuations have something to do with the fact that stairs are required for access.

The house that I am about to get the final for is a “Raised Ranch” with a stepped crawlspace foundation. Being aware of the issues with accessibility, I have built a large deck that bridges to a large terrace on the hill behind. The terrace is on level and connected by flat work, to the parking areas which slope gently back to the front yard.(I don’t prefer an attached garage). This terrace is going to be 1000 square ft. of mixed styles of flat work, slate and intergral colored concrete.Generally it is what one would consider the social area of the back yard. This level accesses a door to the family room and one to the great room that is big enough for wheel chair access.

Having access to most of the services under the crawlspace is great.

I exceeded the subfloor minimums by using plywood approved for a 24″ spacing on 16″ and using oversized joists. I glued and screwed the plywood.Where there is tile I put the joist spans at half of max. by installing and intermediate foundation. We put in 1/2″ hardi-backer underlayment where 1/4″ is the norm and “thinset” it to the plywood before screwing. There should not be any deflection problems.

In no way is building this way to be considered labor or capital efficient,for site built. For the rugged setting, the elevation lift of the crawlspace and building with the contours of the land really helps the look of the house.

My experience in RE and construction gives me the opinion that the slight,or even sometimes moderate settling of a raised house, is considered insignificant compared to a slab that cracks moderately, which has at times practically rendered a house economically obsolete, or at least require a very expensive engineered repair. I have never seen a lender balk at a wavy old crawl space built floor, on an otherwise decent house. That is not to say it doesn’t happen.

[NotCranky]

I have been thinking of this issue Bugs brought up as well. The topic is near and dear to me currently. I figured that maybe his valuations have something to do with the fact that stairs are required for access.

The house that I am about to get the final for is a “Raised Ranch” with a stepped crawlspace foundation. Being aware of the issues with accessibility, I have built a large deck that bridges to a large terrace on the hill behind. The terrace is on level and connected by flat work, to the parking areas which slope gently back to the front yard.(I don’t prefer an attached garage). This terrace is going to be 1000 square ft. of mixed styles of flat work, slate and intergral colored concrete.Generally it is what one would consider the social area of the back yard. This level accesses a door to the family room and one to the great room that is big enough for wheel chair access.

Having access to most of the services under the crawlspace is great.

I exceeded the subfloor minimums by using plywood approved for a 24″ spacing on 16″ and using oversized joists. I glued and screwed the plywood.Where there is tile I put the joist spans at half of max. by installing and intermediate foundation. We put in 1/2″ hardi-backer underlayment where 1/4″ is the norm and “thinset” it to the plywood before screwing. There should not be any deflection problems.

In no way is building this way to be considered labor or capital efficient,for site built. For the rugged setting, the elevation lift of the crawlspace and building with the contours of the land really helps the look of the house.

My experience in RE and construction gives me the opinion that the slight,or even sometimes moderate settling of a raised house, is considered insignificant compared to a slab that cracks moderately, which has at times practically rendered a house economically obsolete, or at least require a very expensive engineered repair. I have never seen a lender balk at a wavy old crawl space built floor, on an otherwise decent house. That is not to say it doesn’t happen.

[NotCranky]

I have been thinking of this issue Bugs brought up as well. The topic is near and dear to me currently. I figured that maybe his valuations have something to do with the fact that stairs are required for access.

The house that I am about to get the final for is a “Raised Ranch” with a stepped crawlspace foundation. Being aware of the issues with accessibility, I have built a large deck that bridges to a large terrace on the hill behind. The terrace is on level and connected by flat work, to the parking areas which slope gently back to the front yard.(I don’t prefer an attached garage). This terrace is going to be 1000 square ft. of mixed styles of flat work, slate and intergral colored concrete.Generally it is what one would consider the social area of the back yard. This level accesses a door to the family room and one to the great room that is big enough for wheel chair access.

Having access to most of the services under the crawlspace is great.

I exceeded the subfloor minimums by using plywood approved for a 24″ spacing on 16″ and using oversized joists. I glued and screwed the plywood.Where there is tile I put the joist spans at half of max. by installing and intermediate foundation. We put in 1/2″ hardi-backer underlayment where 1/4″ is the norm and “thinset” it to the plywood before screwing. There should not be any deflection problems.

In no way is building this way to be considered labor or capital efficient,for site built. For the rugged setting, the elevation lift of the crawlspace and building with the contours of the land really helps the look of the house.

My experience in RE and construction gives me the opinion that the slight,or even sometimes moderate settling of a raised house, is considered insignificant compared to a slab that cracks moderately, which has at times practically rendered a house economically obsolete, or at least require a very expensive engineered repair. I have never seen a lender balk at a wavy old crawl space built floor, on an otherwise decent house. That is not to say it doesn’t happen.

[NotCranky]

I have been thinking of this issue Bugs brought up as well. The topic is near and dear to me currently. I figured that maybe his valuations have something to do with the fact that stairs are required for access.

The house that I am about to get the final for is a “Raised Ranch” with a stepped crawlspace foundation. Being aware of the issues with accessibility, I have built a large deck that bridges to a large terrace on the hill behind. The terrace is on level and connected by flat work, to the parking areas which slope gently back to the front yard.(I don’t prefer an attached garage). This terrace is going to be 1000 square ft. of mixed styles of flat work, slate and intergral colored concrete.Generally it is what one would consider the social area of the back yard. This level accesses a door to the family room and one to the great room that is big enough for wheel chair access.

Having access to most of the services under the crawlspace is great.

I exceeded the subfloor minimums by using plywood approved for a 24″ spacing on 16″ and using oversized joists. I glued and screwed the plywood.Where there is tile I put the joist spans at half of max. by installing and intermediate foundation. We put in 1/2″ hardi-backer underlayment where 1/4″ is the norm and “thinset” it to the plywood before screwing. There should not be any deflection problems.

In no way is building this way to be considered labor or capital efficient,for site built. For the rugged setting, the elevation lift of the crawlspace and building with the contours of the land really helps the look of the house.

My experience in RE and construction gives me the opinion that the slight,or even sometimes moderate settling of a raised house, is considered insignificant compared to a slab that cracks moderately, which has at times practically rendered a house economically obsolete, or at least require a very expensive engineered repair. I have never seen a lender balk at a wavy old crawl space built floor, on an otherwise decent house. That is not to say it doesn’t happen.

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