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[bearishgurl]

[quote=Eugene][quote]I disagree that “exurb” housing is primarily “low-density,” Eugene. In the SD County “exurbs”, the vast majority of =<3000 sf SFR's are built on substandard lots (<5000 sf), are encumbered with an HOA and also usually CFD(s). The vast majority of 30+ yr old houses in SD County sit on bigger lots and have far more desirable locations than those built in the "exurbs" in the last 15 years.[/quote]

Strictly speaking, I would consider even a standard SFR on a 5000 sf lot "low density". Since that's immensely less dense than even building 3-story apartment buildings, let alone downtown-type high-rises.

That said, I think that you misunderstood my statement.

We filled all land _here_in_San_Diego_ with low density housing. Out here in North County, there's an enormous amount of space zoned 1-2 acres & up per dwelling. Valley Center and Bonsall together take 43 square miles (27,520 acres = enough room for something like 200,000 SFRs at typical density). If all this land were vacant, we'd have enough land left over to accommodate future development for decades ahead. But it's not vacant, it's built out at 2 acres per dwelling, total population between the two is somewhere around 12,000, and there's massive red tape involved in rezoning even a single lot to high density.

And, since there's no buildable land left here, people create demand for exurbs.

Also, 4S Ranch and Ramona are NOT exurbs of San Diego. The two primary exurbs of San Diego are Temecula and Murrieta. To a lesser extent, further outlying cities such as Lake Elsinore and maybe even Hemet.[/quote]

Eugene, I understand the zoning restrictions in Valley Center and Bonsall (and even parts of Fallbrook). However, most of the SFR's in these areas are customs, not on tract. None of those areas suffer from "urban sprawl." Only a minority of Valley Center SFR's are even hooked up to a sewer! I never stated Ramona (even though it has several tracts within SDCE) was an "exurb." It DOES fit some of the criteria, but in actuality, Ramona is well-established and historically significant in its own right. 4S is not. 4S is ALL NEW(ER), ALL or NEARLY ALL on tract and entirely freeway dependent (except maybe into RB).

I don't believe "people" create a demand for exurbs. "People" would buy existing resale housing if there were no exurbs. There's always plenty of resale housing on the market. That's what "people" did when there were no exurbs. That's what "people" do in the state of Washington where urban sprawl has long been restricted (to preserve open space and natural resources).

Temecula, Murietta, Lake Elsinore and Hemet are NOT exurbs of San Diego County. They are a different market entirely. They are not located in San Diego County. If they are "exurbs," they would be exurbs of Riverside. Just because residents of these areas may choose to live there, yet commute to Diego County to work doesn't make these areas in any way connected with San Diego. They're not. They're in Riverside County (RIV) and RIV is a different animal entirely than SD County. There is no comparison between the two markets.

[bearishgurl]

Eugene, I’m not sure if this agrees with the zoning depts but for CA, I consider a measure of “density” as follows:

1 AC+ per unit (rural, semi-rural [even if located “suburban”])

.25 AC to 1 AC per unit (semi-rural, suburban or urban low density)

5000 sf to .25 AC per unit (suburban to urban mid density)

<5000 sf (for an SFR) exurban, suburban and urban high density (patio homes, PUD's, zero lot line, etc)

<=8 units on +/- 5000 sf lot (exurban, suburban or urban) mid density multifamily 8-12 units on +/- 5000 sf lot (exurban, suburban or urban) high density multifamily 13+ units on +/- 10,000 sf lot (incl mid rise/high rise bldgs) high density urban multifamily

[bearishgurl]

Eugene, I’m not sure if this agrees with the zoning depts but for CA, I consider a measure of “density” as follows:

1 AC+ per unit (rural, semi-rural [even if located “suburban”])

.25 AC to 1 AC per unit (semi-rural, suburban or urban low density)

5000 sf to .25 AC per unit (suburban to urban mid density)

<5000 sf (for an SFR) exurban, suburban and urban high density (patio homes, PUD's, zero lot line, etc)

<=8 units on +/- 5000 sf lot (exurban, suburban or urban) mid density multifamily 8-12 units on +/- 5000 sf lot (exurban, suburban or urban) high density multifamily 13+ units on +/- 10,000 sf lot (incl mid rise/high rise bldgs) high density urban multifamily

[bearishgurl]

Eugene, I’m not sure if this agrees with the zoning depts but for CA, I consider a measure of “density” as follows:

1 AC+ per unit (rural, semi-rural [even if located “suburban”])

.25 AC to 1 AC per unit (semi-rural, suburban or urban low density)

5000 sf to .25 AC per unit (suburban to urban mid density)

<5000 sf (for an SFR) exurban, suburban and urban high density (patio homes, PUD's, zero lot line, etc)

<=8 units on +/- 5000 sf lot (exurban, suburban or urban) mid density multifamily 8-12 units on +/- 5000 sf lot (exurban, suburban or urban) high density multifamily 13+ units on +/- 10,000 sf lot (incl mid rise/high rise bldgs) high density urban multifamily

[bearishgurl]

Eugene, I’m not sure if this agrees with the zoning depts but for CA, I consider a measure of “density” as follows:

1 AC+ per unit (rural, semi-rural [even if located “suburban”])

.25 AC to 1 AC per unit (semi-rural, suburban or urban low density)

5000 sf to .25 AC per unit (suburban to urban mid density)

<5000 sf (for an SFR) exurban, suburban and urban high density (patio homes, PUD's, zero lot line, etc)

<=8 units on +/- 5000 sf lot (exurban, suburban or urban) mid density multifamily 8-12 units on +/- 5000 sf lot (exurban, suburban or urban) high density multifamily 13+ units on +/- 10,000 sf lot (incl mid rise/high rise bldgs) high density urban multifamily

[bearishgurl]

Eugene, I’m not sure if this agrees with the zoning depts but for CA, I consider a measure of “density” as follows:

1 AC+ per unit (rural, semi-rural [even if located “suburban”])

.25 AC to 1 AC per unit (semi-rural, suburban or urban low density)

5000 sf to .25 AC per unit (suburban to urban mid density)

<5000 sf (for an SFR) exurban, suburban and urban high density (patio homes, PUD's, zero lot line, etc)

<=8 units on +/- 5000 sf lot (exurban, suburban or urban) mid density multifamily 8-12 units on +/- 5000 sf lot (exurban, suburban or urban) high density multifamily 13+ units on +/- 10,000 sf lot (incl mid rise/high rise bldgs) high density urban multifamily

[all]

BG, have you every been to 4S Ranch? There is a significant employment center right next to 4S with Sony, HP, Broadcom, Teradata… it’s walking distance. Scripps Clinic in Carmel Mountain and Pomerado Hospital are 3 (4) miles away. If the local shops&restaurants are not enough (Ralphs, Jimbo’s, Fresh&Easy, CVS, Ace, Pets something, Bed, Bath and Beyond), Carmel Mountain is 3 miles down Camino Del Norte with Costco, Home Depot, Sears, movie theater…
We usually go to Moonlight beach in Encinitas and almost always take the scenic freeway-independent route through Rancho Santa F.

I am not saying it is perfect or better than any other place, but we are rarely at home during daylight and we get on freeway twice a month to get to the Sea World or Safari Park.

[all]

BG, have you every been to 4S Ranch? There is a significant employment center right next to 4S with Sony, HP, Broadcom, Teradata… it’s walking distance. Scripps Clinic in Carmel Mountain and Pomerado Hospital are 3 (4) miles away. If the local shops&restaurants are not enough (Ralphs, Jimbo’s, Fresh&Easy, CVS, Ace, Pets something, Bed, Bath and Beyond), Carmel Mountain is 3 miles down Camino Del Norte with Costco, Home Depot, Sears, movie theater…
We usually go to Moonlight beach in Encinitas and almost always take the scenic freeway-independent route through Rancho Santa F.

I am not saying it is perfect or better than any other place, but we are rarely at home during daylight and we get on freeway twice a month to get to the Sea World or Safari Park.

[all]

BG, have you every been to 4S Ranch? There is a significant employment center right next to 4S with Sony, HP, Broadcom, Teradata… it’s walking distance. Scripps Clinic in Carmel Mountain and Pomerado Hospital are 3 (4) miles away. If the local shops&restaurants are not enough (Ralphs, Jimbo’s, Fresh&Easy, CVS, Ace, Pets something, Bed, Bath and Beyond), Carmel Mountain is 3 miles down Camino Del Norte with Costco, Home Depot, Sears, movie theater…
We usually go to Moonlight beach in Encinitas and almost always take the scenic freeway-independent route through Rancho Santa F.

I am not saying it is perfect or better than any other place, but we are rarely at home during daylight and we get on freeway twice a month to get to the Sea World or Safari Park.

[all]

BG, have you every been to 4S Ranch? There is a significant employment center right next to 4S with Sony, HP, Broadcom, Teradata… it’s walking distance. Scripps Clinic in Carmel Mountain and Pomerado Hospital are 3 (4) miles away. If the local shops&restaurants are not enough (Ralphs, Jimbo’s, Fresh&Easy, CVS, Ace, Pets something, Bed, Bath and Beyond), Carmel Mountain is 3 miles down Camino Del Norte with Costco, Home Depot, Sears, movie theater…
We usually go to Moonlight beach in Encinitas and almost always take the scenic freeway-independent route through Rancho Santa F.

I am not saying it is perfect or better than any other place, but we are rarely at home during daylight and we get on freeway twice a month to get to the Sea World or Safari Park.

[all]

BG, have you every been to 4S Ranch? There is a significant employment center right next to 4S with Sony, HP, Broadcom, Teradata… it’s walking distance. Scripps Clinic in Carmel Mountain and Pomerado Hospital are 3 (4) miles away. If the local shops&restaurants are not enough (Ralphs, Jimbo’s, Fresh&Easy, CVS, Ace, Pets something, Bed, Bath and Beyond), Carmel Mountain is 3 miles down Camino Del Norte with Costco, Home Depot, Sears, movie theater…
We usually go to Moonlight beach in Encinitas and almost always take the scenic freeway-independent route through Rancho Santa F.

I am not saying it is perfect or better than any other place, but we are rarely at home during daylight and we get on freeway twice a month to get to the Sea World or Safari Park.

[sdrealtor]

But 4S has an HOA and mello roos which by default makes it object of BG’s ire.

[sdrealtor]

But 4S has an HOA and mello roos which by default makes it object of BG’s ire.

[sdrealtor]

But 4S has an HOA and mello roos which by default makes it object of BG’s ire.

[sdrealtor]

But 4S has an HOA and mello roos which by default makes it object of BG’s ire.

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