Planned Collapse of America Article SCARY STUFF!

[PadreBrian]

Preach it! What we have now is NOT free-market…it’s Do anything you like and the gov’t will bail your investment company out.

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=steveno]Immigration is central to our demise. See the gumball video at Numbersusa.com . We have to shut it off and help ourselves first before we can help others and we need to help others where they live, not bring them here to make our conditions worse.
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Interesting video but not very informed or informative. The weaknesses of your argument are:
-the assertion that immigration is charity (it isn’t) and is not productive (it is)
-the assertion that we are being overwhelmed in unprecedented ways (we currently have a comparatively low percentage of foreign-born residents)
-we are in danger of having too many peasants or low-skilled workers dragging the economy down (China and India are the best counter examples of this)
This one is a problem with an argument in the video.
-we are hurting other countries by stealing their talent (If this is true, why are the countries that are contributing talent overtaking us so quickly?)

[quote=steveno]

There is no way we can alleviate the destitution when 80 million more people are added in the third world every year. Resources are finite, so increasing our population will only make matters worse for everyone here in the US. CA is a good example of how the resources are dwindling at an accelerating pace due to immigration (legal and illegal) and there is no end in sight. If the infrastructure is burdened now, how about when the population doubles from immigration in the next 30 years?

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How can 8-11% (depending upon whose info is used) foreign born double our population?
Seriously, to double in 30 years, we would need more than 10 million per year to come over each year. I think we would really notice that. El Cajon would look like some weird scene out of “10 commandments”. Or at the very least 3 million per year with more than 6 kids per mother. As someone from a large Irish/Mexican family, I agree the babies could happen (assuming this was 1950 and birth control still frowned upon by the church), but again it seems unlikely that immigration would double or triple with no initial reaction.
[quote=steveno]

As far as the politicians, they have been all bought and paid for, for millinia. Any country that is friendly, and many who are not, their leaders have also been bought. This is business as usual since the US dollar standard. So it will continue “as is” no matter who is voted in. If they cannot be bought, they will be eliminated…as is the standard practice.
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Considering that the US is rated one of the highest for being non-corrupt (planetwide), I am curious where you would find a more honest government (maybe Bulgaria or the Viking countries would be less corrupt). Am I wrong on this? (http://report.globalintegrity.org/United%20States/2007)
[quote=steveno]

The only way out is to vote in an independent who can shut down the Fed, IRS and most of the Federal govt institutions. This will only save the US, unless they can do it in concert with other nations, which is even more unlikely. Basically, the elite don’t want to work, they want to leech off the rest of us and they have set up institutions to feed off of us. No fear needed, just reality.

Sincerely,
StevenO [/quote]

How would it improve things to eliminate these institutions and what would you put in their place? Who is the elite in your model?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=steveno]Immigration is central to our demise. See the gumball video at Numbersusa.com . We have to shut it off and help ourselves first before we can help others and we need to help others where they live, not bring them here to make our conditions worse.
[/quote]
Interesting video but not very informed or informative. The weaknesses of your argument are:
-the assertion that immigration is charity (it isn’t) and is not productive (it is)
-the assertion that we are being overwhelmed in unprecedented ways (we currently have a comparatively low percentage of foreign-born residents)
-we are in danger of having too many peasants or low-skilled workers dragging the economy down (China and India are the best counter examples of this)
This one is a problem with an argument in the video.
-we are hurting other countries by stealing their talent (If this is true, why are the countries that are contributing talent overtaking us so quickly?)

[quote=steveno]

There is no way we can alleviate the destitution when 80 million more people are added in the third world every year. Resources are finite, so increasing our population will only make matters worse for everyone here in the US. CA is a good example of how the resources are dwindling at an accelerating pace due to immigration (legal and illegal) and there is no end in sight. If the infrastructure is burdened now, how about when the population doubles from immigration in the next 30 years?

[/quote]
How can 8-11% (depending upon whose info is used) foreign born double our population?
Seriously, to double in 30 years, we would need more than 10 million per year to come over each year. I think we would really notice that. El Cajon would look like some weird scene out of “10 commandments”. Or at the very least 3 million per year with more than 6 kids per mother. As someone from a large Irish/Mexican family, I agree the babies could happen (assuming this was 1950 and birth control still frowned upon by the church), but again it seems unlikely that immigration would double or triple with no initial reaction.
[quote=steveno]

As far as the politicians, they have been all bought and paid for, for millinia. Any country that is friendly, and many who are not, their leaders have also been bought. This is business as usual since the US dollar standard. So it will continue “as is” no matter who is voted in. If they cannot be bought, they will be eliminated…as is the standard practice.
[/quote]
Considering that the US is rated one of the highest for being non-corrupt (planetwide), I am curious where you would find a more honest government (maybe Bulgaria or the Viking countries would be less corrupt). Am I wrong on this? (http://report.globalintegrity.org/United%20States/2007)
[quote=steveno]

The only way out is to vote in an independent who can shut down the Fed, IRS and most of the Federal govt institutions. This will only save the US, unless they can do it in concert with other nations, which is even more unlikely. Basically, the elite don’t want to work, they want to leech off the rest of us and they have set up institutions to feed off of us. No fear needed, just reality.

Sincerely,
StevenO [/quote]

How would it improve things to eliminate these institutions and what would you put in their place? Who is the elite in your model?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=steveno]Immigration is central to our demise. See the gumball video at Numbersusa.com . We have to shut it off and help ourselves first before we can help others and we need to help others where they live, not bring them here to make our conditions worse.
[/quote]
Interesting video but not very informed or informative. The weaknesses of your argument are:
-the assertion that immigration is charity (it isn’t) and is not productive (it is)
-the assertion that we are being overwhelmed in unprecedented ways (we currently have a comparatively low percentage of foreign-born residents)
-we are in danger of having too many peasants or low-skilled workers dragging the economy down (China and India are the best counter examples of this)
This one is a problem with an argument in the video.
-we are hurting other countries by stealing their talent (If this is true, why are the countries that are contributing talent overtaking us so quickly?)

[quote=steveno]

There is no way we can alleviate the destitution when 80 million more people are added in the third world every year. Resources are finite, so increasing our population will only make matters worse for everyone here in the US. CA is a good example of how the resources are dwindling at an accelerating pace due to immigration (legal and illegal) and there is no end in sight. If the infrastructure is burdened now, how about when the population doubles from immigration in the next 30 years?

[/quote]
How can 8-11% (depending upon whose info is used) foreign born double our population?
Seriously, to double in 30 years, we would need more than 10 million per year to come over each year. I think we would really notice that. El Cajon would look like some weird scene out of “10 commandments”. Or at the very least 3 million per year with more than 6 kids per mother. As someone from a large Irish/Mexican family, I agree the babies could happen (assuming this was 1950 and birth control still frowned upon by the church), but again it seems unlikely that immigration would double or triple with no initial reaction.
[quote=steveno]

As far as the politicians, they have been all bought and paid for, for millinia. Any country that is friendly, and many who are not, their leaders have also been bought. This is business as usual since the US dollar standard. So it will continue “as is” no matter who is voted in. If they cannot be bought, they will be eliminated…as is the standard practice.
[/quote]
Considering that the US is rated one of the highest for being non-corrupt (planetwide), I am curious where you would find a more honest government (maybe Bulgaria or the Viking countries would be less corrupt). Am I wrong on this? (http://report.globalintegrity.org/United%20States/2007)
[quote=steveno]

The only way out is to vote in an independent who can shut down the Fed, IRS and most of the Federal govt institutions. This will only save the US, unless they can do it in concert with other nations, which is even more unlikely. Basically, the elite don’t want to work, they want to leech off the rest of us and they have set up institutions to feed off of us. No fear needed, just reality.

Sincerely,
StevenO [/quote]

How would it improve things to eliminate these institutions and what would you put in their place? Who is the elite in your model?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=steveno]Immigration is central to our demise. See the gumball video at Numbersusa.com . We have to shut it off and help ourselves first before we can help others and we need to help others where they live, not bring them here to make our conditions worse.
[/quote]
Interesting video but not very informed or informative. The weaknesses of your argument are:
-the assertion that immigration is charity (it isn’t) and is not productive (it is)
-the assertion that we are being overwhelmed in unprecedented ways (we currently have a comparatively low percentage of foreign-born residents)
-we are in danger of having too many peasants or low-skilled workers dragging the economy down (China and India are the best counter examples of this)
This one is a problem with an argument in the video.
-we are hurting other countries by stealing their talent (If this is true, why are the countries that are contributing talent overtaking us so quickly?)

[quote=steveno]

There is no way we can alleviate the destitution when 80 million more people are added in the third world every year. Resources are finite, so increasing our population will only make matters worse for everyone here in the US. CA is a good example of how the resources are dwindling at an accelerating pace due to immigration (legal and illegal) and there is no end in sight. If the infrastructure is burdened now, how about when the population doubles from immigration in the next 30 years?

[/quote]
How can 8-11% (depending upon whose info is used) foreign born double our population?
Seriously, to double in 30 years, we would need more than 10 million per year to come over each year. I think we would really notice that. El Cajon would look like some weird scene out of “10 commandments”. Or at the very least 3 million per year with more than 6 kids per mother. As someone from a large Irish/Mexican family, I agree the babies could happen (assuming this was 1950 and birth control still frowned upon by the church), but again it seems unlikely that immigration would double or triple with no initial reaction.
[quote=steveno]

As far as the politicians, they have been all bought and paid for, for millinia. Any country that is friendly, and many who are not, their leaders have also been bought. This is business as usual since the US dollar standard. So it will continue “as is” no matter who is voted in. If they cannot be bought, they will be eliminated…as is the standard practice.
[/quote]
Considering that the US is rated one of the highest for being non-corrupt (planetwide), I am curious where you would find a more honest government (maybe Bulgaria or the Viking countries would be less corrupt). Am I wrong on this? (http://report.globalintegrity.org/United%20States/2007)
[quote=steveno]

The only way out is to vote in an independent who can shut down the Fed, IRS and most of the Federal govt institutions. This will only save the US, unless they can do it in concert with other nations, which is even more unlikely. Basically, the elite don’t want to work, they want to leech off the rest of us and they have set up institutions to feed off of us. No fear needed, just reality.

Sincerely,
StevenO [/quote]

How would it improve things to eliminate these institutions and what would you put in their place? Who is the elite in your model?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=steveno]Immigration is central to our demise. See the gumball video at Numbersusa.com . We have to shut it off and help ourselves first before we can help others and we need to help others where they live, not bring them here to make our conditions worse.
[/quote]
Interesting video but not very informed or informative. The weaknesses of your argument are:
-the assertion that immigration is charity (it isn’t) and is not productive (it is)
-the assertion that we are being overwhelmed in unprecedented ways (we currently have a comparatively low percentage of foreign-born residents)
-we are in danger of having too many peasants or low-skilled workers dragging the economy down (China and India are the best counter examples of this)
This one is a problem with an argument in the video.
-we are hurting other countries by stealing their talent (If this is true, why are the countries that are contributing talent overtaking us so quickly?)

[quote=steveno]

There is no way we can alleviate the destitution when 80 million more people are added in the third world every year. Resources are finite, so increasing our population will only make matters worse for everyone here in the US. CA is a good example of how the resources are dwindling at an accelerating pace due to immigration (legal and illegal) and there is no end in sight. If the infrastructure is burdened now, how about when the population doubles from immigration in the next 30 years?

[/quote]
How can 8-11% (depending upon whose info is used) foreign born double our population?
Seriously, to double in 30 years, we would need more than 10 million per year to come over each year. I think we would really notice that. El Cajon would look like some weird scene out of “10 commandments”. Or at the very least 3 million per year with more than 6 kids per mother. As someone from a large Irish/Mexican family, I agree the babies could happen (assuming this was 1950 and birth control still frowned upon by the church), but again it seems unlikely that immigration would double or triple with no initial reaction.
[quote=steveno]

As far as the politicians, they have been all bought and paid for, for millinia. Any country that is friendly, and many who are not, their leaders have also been bought. This is business as usual since the US dollar standard. So it will continue “as is” no matter who is voted in. If they cannot be bought, they will be eliminated…as is the standard practice.
[/quote]
Considering that the US is rated one of the highest for being non-corrupt (planetwide), I am curious where you would find a more honest government (maybe Bulgaria or the Viking countries would be less corrupt). Am I wrong on this? (http://report.globalintegrity.org/United%20States/2007)
[quote=steveno]

The only way out is to vote in an independent who can shut down the Fed, IRS and most of the Federal govt institutions. This will only save the US, unless they can do it in concert with other nations, which is even more unlikely. Basically, the elite don’t want to work, they want to leech off the rest of us and they have set up institutions to feed off of us. No fear needed, just reality.

Sincerely,
StevenO [/quote]

How would it improve things to eliminate these institutions and what would you put in their place? Who is the elite in your model?

[CA renter]

Well said, Bubba!

[CA renter]

Well said, Bubba!

[CA renter]

Well said, Bubba!

[CA renter]

Well said, Bubba!

[CA renter]

Well said, Bubba!

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=CA renter]Well said, Bubba![/quote]
bubba?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=CA renter]Well said, Bubba![/quote]
bubba?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=CA renter]Well said, Bubba![/quote]
bubba?

[urbanrealtor]

[quote=CA renter]Well said, Bubba![/quote]
bubba?

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