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February 14, 2013 at 9:57 AM #20523February 14, 2013 at 10:27 AM #759370
spdrun
ParticipantGood stats, but flawed since they don’t tend to take foreign immigration/emigration into account. Which is the source of a lot of the flow into the NYC/NJ/CT area. A lot of people come in or out with just a few suitcases — I know that my parents did in 1971.
(And it’s great to live in a city that’s slightly less than 50% foreign-born.)
February 14, 2013 at 10:48 AM #759373paramount
ParticipantDo you know anyone that uses United Van Lines? Who can afford that kind of move?
February 14, 2013 at 2:05 PM #759387UCGal
Participant[quote=paramount]Do you know anyone that uses United Van Lines? Who can afford that kind of move?[/quote]
Corporate moves.
So it’s basically middle/upper middle class job transfers.(I’ve had 3 corporate paid moves. 2 were United Van Lines.)
February 14, 2013 at 2:25 PM #759390ParticipantI just checked U-Haul’s website to see if they had recent migration info. Looks like 2012 data will be released in late March if they follow previous years’ patterns.
But for 2011 (released in March 2012), San Diego was #12 most popular DESTINATION city.
February 14, 2013 at 4:06 PM #759404The-Shoveler
ParticipantHow come when you say it no one wants to tear you a new one?
When I said this back in 2010/11 everyone wanted to tear me a new one,
not fair.
February 14, 2013 at 4:21 PM #759405Participant[quote=The-Shoveler]How come when you say it no one wants to tear you a new one?
When I said this back in 2010/11 everyone wanted to tear me a new one,
not fair.[/quote]
My good looks and charm?Seems like there are several folks here who are convinced that there is net migration out of California. It will be interesting to see what the U-Haul data shows… But the United VL data shows ingress, not egress.
This is good news for those folks who want to leave and want to sell their house. This will help their resale value.
February 14, 2013 at 4:33 PM #759406ParticipantYea I am kind of scraggly.
February 14, 2013 at 5:02 PM #759407XBoxBoy
Participant[quote=UCGal]
Seems like there are several folks here who are convinced that there is net migration out of California. It will be interesting to see what the U-Haul data shows… But the United VL data shows ingress, not egress.
[/quote]Where did you see that? The only data I see for California is the chart which shows California as balanced.
February 14, 2013 at 11:19 PM #759432Participant[quote=UCGal][quote=paramount]Do you know anyone that uses United Van Lines? Who can afford that kind of move?[/quote]
So it’s basically upper middle class job transfers.
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Well that leaves me out…
February 14, 2013 at 11:21 PM #759433ParticipantAccording to my research, 2000 individuals leave Cali per week:
February 15, 2013 at 5:32 AM #759439SK in CV
Participant[quote=paramount]According to my research, 2000 individuals leave Cali per week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_7ITuB3xc%5B/quote%5D
Well if it says so on a youtube video, that’s pretty authoritive.
February 15, 2013 at 6:13 AM #759442EconProf
ParticipantThe NET migration out of CA has been going on for years, and the evidence is pretty well established. U-Haul rates for bringing in a trailer to CA vs. taking one out of CA have long shown this, and are now just as convincing as ever. As has been suggested, United Van Lines may zero in on a wealthier demographic than U-Haul. I suspect, but cannot prove, that a lot more people move using U-Haul than an expensive mover like United.
Actually, we won’t know for many months the impact of the sharp raise in CA income tax rates on people moving into or out of CA. Unlike us Piggs, many people don’t focus on news and tax issues, and will only learn about our new tax regime when they sit down this winter to do their taxes. Then they will also get the rude awakening that the jump in rates applies to all of their 2012 income.
The recent jump in CA home values may turn out to be another motivator to move, in that people will realize that they have home equity after all and can now cash out to finance a move and a purchase of reasonably-priced housing elsewhere.
What counts in people’s decision-making is not just their current situation, but their expectations of the future. As they look at the direction of CA’s taxes and government vs that of other states, the exodus may well accelerate. But the numbers to prove that will only be evident in the months and years to come.February 15, 2013 at 7:19 AM #759444ParticipantI would be willing to bet (well a little anyway)
that the population of even L.A. has increased over the last 5 years (traffic is still just as bad anyway), and they are the worst for Tax-with-no-good-service-in-return.If and when the home building starts to get going in earnest in SoCal I think you will see the net inflow go up quite dramatically.,
Also some of the states that were so glad to grow are starting to see real issues too, so I think they will be in the same boat as far as taxes fairly quickly.
Property Taxes in TX can be very high and Texas cities are becoming just as traffic logged and Smog is becoming a real problem now in most TX cities.
February 15, 2013 at 8:12 AM #759447ocrenter
Participant[quote=SK in CV][quote=paramount]According to my research, 2000 individuals leave Cali per week:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8_7ITuB3xc%5B/quote%5D
Well if it says so on a youtube video, that’s pretty authoritive.[/quote]
CalWatchdog, the maker of the YouTube clip, is the journalism arm of the Pacific Research Institute, a conservative think tank.
I think it would be nice in the future, whenever posting YouTube clips or links, to share some info about the origin of the source.
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