OT-Why I still hate the Prius

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[quote=bubble_contagion]

There is also the Japanese car vs. American car issue. I am concerned about American car companies because their attempts to compete with the Prius haven’t worked out. The most important is the Chevy Volt, although it has great technology, it is too expensive. It clearly shows that GM has not been able to embrace the concept that very efficient hybrid cars must be different. GM has compromised the car design to make it similar to conventional cars. A clear example is the Volt’s huge fake chrome grill. It seems that GM believes Americans will not buy cars without grills. I hope the average American is more sophisticated than that.[/quote]

The Volt isn’t meant to compete with the Prius.
The Volt is targeted at the Lexus and BMW and Mercedes crowd.

It does that very well.

[briansd1]

[quote=patb]
The Volt isn’t meant to compete with the Prius.
The Volt is targeted at the Lexus and BMW and Mercedes crowd.

It does that very well.[/quote]

huh? So why is it badged as a Chevy?

[briansd1]

[quote=patb]
The Volt isn’t meant to compete with the Prius.
The Volt is targeted at the Lexus and BMW and Mercedes crowd.

It does that very well.[/quote]

huh? So why is it badged as a Chevy?

[briansd1]

[quote=patb]
The Volt isn’t meant to compete with the Prius.
The Volt is targeted at the Lexus and BMW and Mercedes crowd.

It does that very well.[/quote]

huh? So why is it badged as a Chevy?

[briansd1]

[quote=patb]
The Volt isn’t meant to compete with the Prius.
The Volt is targeted at the Lexus and BMW and Mercedes crowd.

It does that very well.[/quote]

huh? So why is it badged as a Chevy?

[briansd1]

[quote=patb]
The Volt isn’t meant to compete with the Prius.
The Volt is targeted at the Lexus and BMW and Mercedes crowd.

It does that very well.[/quote]

huh? So why is it badged as a Chevy?

[equalizer]

[quote=svelte]Glad you’re okay Navydoc.

Interesting phenomenon that you point out with Prius drivers, as has also been noted at this link I posted previously:

“Ever been cut off by a prius with an Obama sticker? It happens more often than it should. The tipping point for the One Less Prius sticker was nearly being hit by one such vehicle IN THE BIKE LANE on Sunset Blvd. The guy gave me the finger when I threw my hands up.”

from:

http://nowhip.blogspot.com/2009/07/one-less-prius.html

I don’t ever see this because I don’t ride a bicycle. I might if they had dedicated separate paths where I need to ride, but sharing the roadway with autos is too dangerous for my blood.

But why you cyclists notice an increased danger from Prius owners is very interesting. Three possible reasons I can think of:

(1) Maybe they are generally less attentive drivers? I sometimes think that many Prius owners don’t like visiting gas stations because they just don’t like cars. Since they don’t like cars, I wonder if that gives them poorer than average driving skills – maybe they don’t take the time to hone those skills.

(2) Maybe they are envious of someone greener than they are?

(3) (thought I had a third possibility but have forgotten)

This would make an interesting case study…if one every gets done, let me know because I’d love to find out the psychology behind this behavior![/quote]
First, hope NavyDoc is feeling better!

I pulled up IIHS data and found that in small car segment that Prius [drivers] had fewest claims for bodily injury and lowest overall claims. Of course the age and stature of these drivers is the dominant factor for this data instead of the actual car.

Cars with highest losses bodily injury (2006-2008)
(Pretty much young male drivers)

[100 represents the average result for all vehicles in each loss coverage category]

Suzuki Forenza Small four-door models 205

Mitsubishi Lancer Small four-door models 181

Scion tC Small two-door models 172

Infiniti FX35 4dr Midsize luxury SUVs 171

Pontiac G5 Small two-door models 161

Chevrolet Cobalt Small two-door models 160

Dodge Magnum Large station wagons/minivans 160

Kia Spectra Small four-door models 156

Dodge Charger Large four-door models 156

Hyundai Tiburon Small two-door models 154
———————————————
Collision Rate
BMW 3 series 2dr 180
Prius 103

———————————————
Cars with fewest losses bodily injury claims

Chevrolet Corvette Midsize sports models 41

Infiniti M35 4dr 4WD Large luxury models 44

Chevrolet Corvette convertible Midsize sports models 48

Toyota Tundra double 4WD Large pickups 48

GMC Acadia 4dr 4WD Large SUVs 53

Mazda MX-5 Miata convertible Mini sports models 54

Toyota Highlander 4dr 4WD Midsize SUVs 57

Mercedes E class 4dr 4WD Large luxury models 57

Pontiac Solstice convertible Small sports models 58

BMW Z4 convertible Small sports models 58

———————————————

What’s the lesson? Ride two wheelers in neighborhoods with all Corvettes!

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/composite_cls.aspx?y=2006-2008&cls=2&sz=2&sort=bodilyInjury

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/composite_bw.aspx?y=2006-2008&cv=bod

[equalizer]

[quote=svelte]Glad you’re okay Navydoc.

Interesting phenomenon that you point out with Prius drivers, as has also been noted at this link I posted previously:

“Ever been cut off by a prius with an Obama sticker? It happens more often than it should. The tipping point for the One Less Prius sticker was nearly being hit by one such vehicle IN THE BIKE LANE on Sunset Blvd. The guy gave me the finger when I threw my hands up.”

from:

http://nowhip.blogspot.com/2009/07/one-less-prius.html

I don’t ever see this because I don’t ride a bicycle. I might if they had dedicated separate paths where I need to ride, but sharing the roadway with autos is too dangerous for my blood.

But why you cyclists notice an increased danger from Prius owners is very interesting. Three possible reasons I can think of:

(1) Maybe they are generally less attentive drivers? I sometimes think that many Prius owners don’t like visiting gas stations because they just don’t like cars. Since they don’t like cars, I wonder if that gives them poorer than average driving skills – maybe they don’t take the time to hone those skills.

(2) Maybe they are envious of someone greener than they are?

(3) (thought I had a third possibility but have forgotten)

This would make an interesting case study…if one every gets done, let me know because I’d love to find out the psychology behind this behavior![/quote]
First, hope NavyDoc is feeling better!

I pulled up IIHS data and found that in small car segment that Prius [drivers] had fewest claims for bodily injury and lowest overall claims. Of course the age and stature of these drivers is the dominant factor for this data instead of the actual car.

Cars with highest losses bodily injury (2006-2008)
(Pretty much young male drivers)

[100 represents the average result for all vehicles in each loss coverage category]

Suzuki Forenza Small four-door models 205

Mitsubishi Lancer Small four-door models 181

Scion tC Small two-door models 172

Infiniti FX35 4dr Midsize luxury SUVs 171

Pontiac G5 Small two-door models 161

Chevrolet Cobalt Small two-door models 160

Dodge Magnum Large station wagons/minivans 160

Kia Spectra Small four-door models 156

Dodge Charger Large four-door models 156

Hyundai Tiburon Small two-door models 154
———————————————
Collision Rate
BMW 3 series 2dr 180
Prius 103

———————————————
Cars with fewest losses bodily injury claims

Chevrolet Corvette Midsize sports models 41

Infiniti M35 4dr 4WD Large luxury models 44

Chevrolet Corvette convertible Midsize sports models 48

Toyota Tundra double 4WD Large pickups 48

GMC Acadia 4dr 4WD Large SUVs 53

Mazda MX-5 Miata convertible Mini sports models 54

Toyota Highlander 4dr 4WD Midsize SUVs 57

Mercedes E class 4dr 4WD Large luxury models 57

Pontiac Solstice convertible Small sports models 58

BMW Z4 convertible Small sports models 58

———————————————

What’s the lesson? Ride two wheelers in neighborhoods with all Corvettes!

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/composite_cls.aspx?y=2006-2008&cls=2&sz=2&sort=bodilyInjury

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/composite_bw.aspx?y=2006-2008&cv=bod

[equalizer]

[quote=svelte]Glad you’re okay Navydoc.

Interesting phenomenon that you point out with Prius drivers, as has also been noted at this link I posted previously:

“Ever been cut off by a prius with an Obama sticker? It happens more often than it should. The tipping point for the One Less Prius sticker was nearly being hit by one such vehicle IN THE BIKE LANE on Sunset Blvd. The guy gave me the finger when I threw my hands up.”

from:

http://nowhip.blogspot.com/2009/07/one-less-prius.html

I don’t ever see this because I don’t ride a bicycle. I might if they had dedicated separate paths where I need to ride, but sharing the roadway with autos is too dangerous for my blood.

But why you cyclists notice an increased danger from Prius owners is very interesting. Three possible reasons I can think of:

(1) Maybe they are generally less attentive drivers? I sometimes think that many Prius owners don’t like visiting gas stations because they just don’t like cars. Since they don’t like cars, I wonder if that gives them poorer than average driving skills – maybe they don’t take the time to hone those skills.

(2) Maybe they are envious of someone greener than they are?

(3) (thought I had a third possibility but have forgotten)

This would make an interesting case study…if one every gets done, let me know because I’d love to find out the psychology behind this behavior![/quote]
First, hope NavyDoc is feeling better!

I pulled up IIHS data and found that in small car segment that Prius [drivers] had fewest claims for bodily injury and lowest overall claims. Of course the age and stature of these drivers is the dominant factor for this data instead of the actual car.

Cars with highest losses bodily injury (2006-2008)
(Pretty much young male drivers)

[100 represents the average result for all vehicles in each loss coverage category]

Suzuki Forenza Small four-door models 205

Mitsubishi Lancer Small four-door models 181

Scion tC Small two-door models 172

Infiniti FX35 4dr Midsize luxury SUVs 171

Pontiac G5 Small two-door models 161

Chevrolet Cobalt Small two-door models 160

Dodge Magnum Large station wagons/minivans 160

Kia Spectra Small four-door models 156

Dodge Charger Large four-door models 156

Hyundai Tiburon Small two-door models 154
———————————————
Collision Rate
BMW 3 series 2dr 180
Prius 103

———————————————
Cars with fewest losses bodily injury claims

Chevrolet Corvette Midsize sports models 41

Infiniti M35 4dr 4WD Large luxury models 44

Chevrolet Corvette convertible Midsize sports models 48

Toyota Tundra double 4WD Large pickups 48

GMC Acadia 4dr 4WD Large SUVs 53

Mazda MX-5 Miata convertible Mini sports models 54

Toyota Highlander 4dr 4WD Midsize SUVs 57

Mercedes E class 4dr 4WD Large luxury models 57

Pontiac Solstice convertible Small sports models 58

BMW Z4 convertible Small sports models 58

———————————————

What’s the lesson? Ride two wheelers in neighborhoods with all Corvettes!

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/composite_cls.aspx?y=2006-2008&cls=2&sz=2&sort=bodilyInjury

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/composite_bw.aspx?y=2006-2008&cv=bod

[equalizer]

[quote=svelte]Glad you’re okay Navydoc.

Interesting phenomenon that you point out with Prius drivers, as has also been noted at this link I posted previously:

“Ever been cut off by a prius with an Obama sticker? It happens more often than it should. The tipping point for the One Less Prius sticker was nearly being hit by one such vehicle IN THE BIKE LANE on Sunset Blvd. The guy gave me the finger when I threw my hands up.”

from:

http://nowhip.blogspot.com/2009/07/one-less-prius.html

I don’t ever see this because I don’t ride a bicycle. I might if they had dedicated separate paths where I need to ride, but sharing the roadway with autos is too dangerous for my blood.

But why you cyclists notice an increased danger from Prius owners is very interesting. Three possible reasons I can think of:

(1) Maybe they are generally less attentive drivers? I sometimes think that many Prius owners don’t like visiting gas stations because they just don’t like cars. Since they don’t like cars, I wonder if that gives them poorer than average driving skills – maybe they don’t take the time to hone those skills.

(2) Maybe they are envious of someone greener than they are?

(3) (thought I had a third possibility but have forgotten)

This would make an interesting case study…if one every gets done, let me know because I’d love to find out the psychology behind this behavior![/quote]
First, hope NavyDoc is feeling better!

I pulled up IIHS data and found that in small car segment that Prius [drivers] had fewest claims for bodily injury and lowest overall claims. Of course the age and stature of these drivers is the dominant factor for this data instead of the actual car.

Cars with highest losses bodily injury (2006-2008)
(Pretty much young male drivers)

[100 represents the average result for all vehicles in each loss coverage category]

Suzuki Forenza Small four-door models 205

Mitsubishi Lancer Small four-door models 181

Scion tC Small two-door models 172

Infiniti FX35 4dr Midsize luxury SUVs 171

Pontiac G5 Small two-door models 161

Chevrolet Cobalt Small two-door models 160

Dodge Magnum Large station wagons/minivans 160

Kia Spectra Small four-door models 156

Dodge Charger Large four-door models 156

Hyundai Tiburon Small two-door models 154
———————————————
Collision Rate
BMW 3 series 2dr 180
Prius 103

———————————————
Cars with fewest losses bodily injury claims

Chevrolet Corvette Midsize sports models 41

Infiniti M35 4dr 4WD Large luxury models 44

Chevrolet Corvette convertible Midsize sports models 48

Toyota Tundra double 4WD Large pickups 48

GMC Acadia 4dr 4WD Large SUVs 53

Mazda MX-5 Miata convertible Mini sports models 54

Toyota Highlander 4dr 4WD Midsize SUVs 57

Mercedes E class 4dr 4WD Large luxury models 57

Pontiac Solstice convertible Small sports models 58

BMW Z4 convertible Small sports models 58

———————————————

What’s the lesson? Ride two wheelers in neighborhoods with all Corvettes!

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/composite_cls.aspx?y=2006-2008&cls=2&sz=2&sort=bodilyInjury

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/composite_bw.aspx?y=2006-2008&cv=bod

[equalizer]

[quote=svelte]Glad you’re okay Navydoc.

Interesting phenomenon that you point out with Prius drivers, as has also been noted at this link I posted previously:

“Ever been cut off by a prius with an Obama sticker? It happens more often than it should. The tipping point for the One Less Prius sticker was nearly being hit by one such vehicle IN THE BIKE LANE on Sunset Blvd. The guy gave me the finger when I threw my hands up.”

from:

http://nowhip.blogspot.com/2009/07/one-less-prius.html

I don’t ever see this because I don’t ride a bicycle. I might if they had dedicated separate paths where I need to ride, but sharing the roadway with autos is too dangerous for my blood.

But why you cyclists notice an increased danger from Prius owners is very interesting. Three possible reasons I can think of:

(1) Maybe they are generally less attentive drivers? I sometimes think that many Prius owners don’t like visiting gas stations because they just don’t like cars. Since they don’t like cars, I wonder if that gives them poorer than average driving skills – maybe they don’t take the time to hone those skills.

(2) Maybe they are envious of someone greener than they are?

(3) (thought I had a third possibility but have forgotten)

This would make an interesting case study…if one every gets done, let me know because I’d love to find out the psychology behind this behavior![/quote]
First, hope NavyDoc is feeling better!

I pulled up IIHS data and found that in small car segment that Prius [drivers] had fewest claims for bodily injury and lowest overall claims. Of course the age and stature of these drivers is the dominant factor for this data instead of the actual car.

Cars with highest losses bodily injury (2006-2008)
(Pretty much young male drivers)

[100 represents the average result for all vehicles in each loss coverage category]

Suzuki Forenza Small four-door models 205

Mitsubishi Lancer Small four-door models 181

Scion tC Small two-door models 172

Infiniti FX35 4dr Midsize luxury SUVs 171

Pontiac G5 Small two-door models 161

Chevrolet Cobalt Small two-door models 160

Dodge Magnum Large station wagons/minivans 160

Kia Spectra Small four-door models 156

Dodge Charger Large four-door models 156

Hyundai Tiburon Small two-door models 154
———————————————
Collision Rate
BMW 3 series 2dr 180
Prius 103

———————————————
Cars with fewest losses bodily injury claims

Chevrolet Corvette Midsize sports models 41

Infiniti M35 4dr 4WD Large luxury models 44

Chevrolet Corvette convertible Midsize sports models 48

Toyota Tundra double 4WD Large pickups 48

GMC Acadia 4dr 4WD Large SUVs 53

Mazda MX-5 Miata convertible Mini sports models 54

Toyota Highlander 4dr 4WD Midsize SUVs 57

Mercedes E class 4dr 4WD Large luxury models 57

Pontiac Solstice convertible Small sports models 58

BMW Z4 convertible Small sports models 58

———————————————

What’s the lesson? Ride two wheelers in neighborhoods with all Corvettes!

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/composite_cls.aspx?y=2006-2008&cls=2&sz=2&sort=bodilyInjury

http://www.iihs.org/research/hldi/composite_bw.aspx?y=2006-2008&cv=bod

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