OT-Contest to guess the occupant of beautiful new building in RSF

[briansd1]

[quote=pri_dk]Meh, they don’t know how think big in RSF.

Temecula City Hall cost $45 million:

http://www.pe.com/local-news/riverside-county/temecula/temecula-headlines-index/20110116-temecula-city-hall-stays-within-budget.ece

The whole project was managed well and within budget. A refreshing change from most stories we read about government endeavors.
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The Temecula City Hall looks pretty good.

Is there a Main Street type downtown in Temecula?

[Anonymous]

Old Town Front Street by city hall is the “main” street. There’s been a lot of development there and it has a few nice restaurants now. Worth a visit, especially if you combine it with a trip to Pechanga and/or wine country.

[no_such_reality]

Thanks for the link CAR.

Couple notables from it. Key word. *estimated*
Overall pricing isn’t bad $550 per sf

Then the details come out
Living quarters, a kitchen, dining room and a workout area

And the bomb

Initially, the station will house a three-person engine company, which includes three three-person crews. The station has room to bring in an additional truck, or possibly an ambulance, Michel said.

Wow $4.7 million to house a 3 person single fire engine and maybe ambulance in the future.

[Anonymous]

Firemen will always be perceived as the selfless heroes in our world, while cops get mixed reviews at best.

In other words: Cops write traffic tickets, firemen don’t.

[no_such_reality]

Thanks for the link CAR.

Couple notables from it. Key word. *estimated*
Overall pricing isn’t bad $550 per sf

Then the details come out
Living quarters, a kitchen, dining room and a workout area

And the bomb

Initially, the station will house a three-person engine company, which includes three three-person crews. The station has room to bring in an additional truck, or possibly an ambulance, Michel said.

Wow $4.7 million to house a 3 person single fire engine and maybe ambulance in the future.

[briansd1]

[quote=pri_dk]Old Town Front Street by city hall is the “main” street. There’s been a lot of development there and it has a few nice restaurants now. Worth a visit, especially if you combine it with a trip to Pechanga and/or wine country.[/quote]

Ok. I’ll give it a whirl. I’ve not been to Pechanga yet.

[Anonymous]

I’m not a casino guy, but it is pretty nice.

[sdrealtor]

Nothing wrong with living quarters, kitchen, dining area and workout area. Most stations have that. Its the extravagent architecture of all the new stations, the most prime of prime locations 0ften in pristine environmentally sensitive areas, the amazing views )of course they need to be able to see the smoke rising at Big Bear and TJ) and that oceanview deck they snuck into the new La Costa Station. I’d love to hear a justification for that. Those guys have gotta be laughing all the way…..

They should make a calender of Fire Stations of San Diego. It’s like government porn.

[bearishgurl]

The City of Chula Vista spent $66M on their main police station (finished in 2003).

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Done in a “mid-century” design and encompassing over two city blocks!

[no_such_reality]

[quote=sdrealtor]Nothing wrong with living quarters, kitchen, dining area and workout area. Most stations have that. Its the extravagent architecture of all the new stations, the most prime of prime locations 0ften in pristine environmentally sensitive areas, the amazing views )of course they need to be able to see the smoke rising at Big Bear and TJ) and that oceanview deck they snuck into the new La Costa Station. I’d love to hear a justification for that. Those guys have gotta be laughing all the way…..

They should make a calender of Fire Stations of San Diego. It’s like government porn.[/quote]

I disagree. It continues to promote the antiquated 24 hour shifts. They need them because they “work” 24 straight hours. Which obviously includes, eating, sleeping, working out…

From the SDFD website:
Desirable Work Schedule (Up to 21 days off per month)
11 Annual Paid Holidays
17 Days Annual Paid Vacation/Sick Leave

Are those 17 days, 17 8 hour days or 17 “days” and they work 9 or 10 days a month?

[sdrealtor]

C’mon nsr at least be civil to them. No reason they cant sleep during the night as long as they are on duty and someone is awake. They also need to be at the ready so eating while at work is entirely reasonable and necessary also. What isnt necessary is Ritz Carlton like accommodations with expnsive stonework and million dollar views from the middle of nature preserves when more modest sites are available a couple hundred yards away.

[CA renter]

sdr,

You’re preaching to the choir WRT the extravagant public buildings. If I were “Dictator of the Universe” all public buildings would be very functional, not ornate. Of course, if that were the case, there’d be critics who would complain that the simple building styles would be “lowering their housing prices.”

FWIW, it’s not firefighters or their unions who ask for these stations (most would agree that it’s wasteful). It’s the politicians who often push for these things — the ones who get to put their names on the stations and who have their faces plastered all over the media during the “opening ceremonies” and the hoopla that goes along with it.

As far as the locations are concerned, these sites are usually owned by the cities already. They often cost the city less than if they were to go out and find/buy a new site. That doesn’t account for the money they’d make if they sell the lots, but the act of finding a new site, going through all the bureaucratic hoops to get it signed off for a public building, etc. will often end up costing more time and/or money than they need to spend.

Also, they have specific requirements for where they site these buildings WRT new developments, and have to be within certain areas, so they might be selling a cheaper (for them) lot to buy a more expensive one nearby at today’s price.

[sdrealtor]

I’m with you on this one but you just slough this one off. Its the lack of accopuntability in the public sector at play here. The LC site screams of developer paying off the city to approve the LC Oaks development by giving them a piece of the most prime piece of land for the fire station. No reason they couldnt have put it on the east side of RSF. While I’m sure the firefighters view them as wasteful I am equally sure they love them and view it as another job perk kinda like foosball tables and Aeron chairs in the dot com era. I cant imagine a fireman ever wanting to leave the station and I’d bet many hang out there in off hours. Its a perk and should be yet another bargaining chip to keep salaries/benefits in check.

Everytime I drive by which is at least daily I wonder when I’ll get my happy hour invite.

I gotta get a nice shot of that station at sunset so the outtta area Piggs who arent familiar with the lcoation could see what I am talking about. I’m not blaming the lineworkers but its obscene that they put the station there.

[Coronita]

My fire station is nicer than your fire station…

Ok folks, which San Diego/Riverside municipality has the nicest buildings and why? Also, if they are that nice, what does it do to resale value?

[no_such_reality]

[quote=sdrealtor]C’mon nsr at least be civil to them. No reason they cant sleep during the night as long as they are on duty and someone is awake. They also need to be at the ready so eating while at work is entirely reasonable and necessary also. What isnt necessary is Ritz Carlton like accommodations with expnsive stonework and million dollar views from the middle of nature preserves when more modest sites are available a couple hundred yards away.[/quote]

Agreed at a minimum.

However, my base point is that 24 hour shifts which require sleeping quarters are not necessary.

If they’re going work 24 hours shifts, then obviously, sleeping will be needed. 🙂

But why on 24 hours, off 24 hours, on 24 hours, off 7 days, one 24 hours. etc. Other cities have been very successful implementing regular styled work shifts.

As you say, it’s the lack of accountability. Frankly the 24 hour is more of the same, perk at the expense of the public. That same perk then drives the accomodations issue… it drives the over time issue, it drives the pension spiking issue (and what makes it so easy).

It’s more of the same “they only make XXXX” yet when you look at the State Controllers W2 statements most are making way more than XXXX. And yes, I know they’re working overtime, but how much overtime are they working to have many making 150%, 200% of their ‘base pay’? And having seen people ‘working’ overtime regular, how is pushing ‘safety’ workers that way, safe for the public?

The Fire Department justifies the expense saying every second counts. Really? So a sleeping firefighter is out the door as fast as an awake firefighter? (and yes, I know they’re out the door fast and appreciate it.)

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