OT – Who are you voting for?

[Ren]

[quote=zk][quote=Ren]LOL at an LA Times voter guide.[/quote]

Have you fallen for the “liberal media” myth, Ren?[/quote]

Nope – In fact I usually roll my eyes when I hear it. But suggesting the LA Times doesn’t lean left is like suggesting Fox News doesn’t lean right.

[spdrun]

Many years ago I got invited to leave jury duty for saying that I didn’t approve of three strikes for little stuff. Cool.

In a case like this, follow Paul Simon’s advice and “lie, lie, lie.” Then nullify if you feel the possible punishment doesn’t fit the crime.

[poorgradstudent]

Obama/Feinstein/Davis
(Not sure on the others yet… will have to figure that out in the next two weeks)
30 – Yes
31 – No
32 – HELL NO
33 – EVEN BIGGER HELL NO
34 – Yes…?
35 – Yes? (need to research)
36 – Yes
37 – No, offsetting my wife’s vote
38 – No
39 – Yes
40 – need to research

[poorgradstudent]

[quote=svelte]Obama.

no on all props except 30 and 40.

wifey almost has me talked into yes on the 3 strikes one. we’ll see. her point that drug infractions shouldn’t count is valid. plus she’s a very nice squeeze.[/quote]
The three strikes one will save the state and taxpayers money on prisons. That’s also actually why I’m leaning yes on ending the death penalty; it’s actually more expensive to put someone to death than to just lock them up for life.

[livinincali]

[quote=poorgradstudent][quote=svelte]Obama.

no on all props except 30 and 40.

wifey almost has me talked into yes on the 3 strikes one. we’ll see. her point that drug infractions shouldn’t count is valid. plus she’s a very nice squeeze.[/quote]
The three strikes one will save the state and taxpayers money on prisons. That’s also actually why I’m leaning yes on ending the death penalty; it’s actually more expensive to put someone to death than to just lock them up for life.[/quote]

The cheapest thing would be to swiftly execute death row inmates, but that’s currently not a choice in CA. When faced with the choice of expensive appeals while you’re on death row until you actually die in prison vs. a cheaper life in prison without possibility of parole it seems like option 2 is the way to go. The result is the same and I don’t think the deterrent factor matters too much when you’re probably doing life in prison anyways. People who commit these type of acts know they’re done if they get caught.

[livinincali]

[quote=poorgradstudent]
40 – need to research[/quote]

40 is essentially a non event. It’s a carry over from the republican party suing over the Citizen’s drawn CA senate district maps. In essence the republican party lost their supreme court case and gave up the fight but the referendum remains on the ballot because they already turned in the signatures. Nobody is running a No on 40 campaign. The quickest way to resolve the issue is a Yes on 40 vote. If you vote no and the no votes win it will go back to the CA supreme court which is likely to uphold the maps as they are currently drawn. Of course that option takes time and money, and it’s possible that supreme court comes up with some other funky ruling that would make things even worse.

[CAwireman]

I voted absentee.

I’ll update with more later on today.

But, struggled with the presidential vote, and went with Obama.

More – Yes on 30, no on 38
Yes on 31, 34, 35, 36, 39, 40

[livinincali]

This seems like a pretty good source of data on the various CA propositions. I like how it shows how much money has been spent on each side and who it came from.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_2012_ballot_propositions

It’s amazing that CA labor unions had more than 50 million to spend on fighting 32 and another 20+ million on supporting 30. If you want to see a comparable corporate interest prop look at 37 where big corps spent about 35 million.

The labor union coffers are going to be bare if they lose.

The other big spenders where individuals that had a pet project Molly Munger and Charles Munger have over 50 million on a pro 38, anti 30.

[CAwireman]

In the debates last night, Obama was on the attack. Most polls give the debate to him, but cite his combative posture as a possible negative.

Romney was more cool/collected.

The election, despite current state/electoral polling, could go either way at this point.

[Ren]

[quote=livinincali]This seems like a pretty good source of data on the various CA propositions. I like how it shows how much money has been spent on each side and who it came from.

http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/California_2012_ballot_propositions
[/quote]

Great resource. I would encourage everyone in this thread to read every word of the For/Against arguments, including newspaper opinions – especially if you made your decisions based on KFI commercials 😉

[quote]
The labor union coffers are going to be bare if they lose.
[/quote]

They probably won’t, unfortunately for California.

[poorgradstudent]

[quote=livinincali]The other big spenders where individuals that had a pet project Molly Munger and Charles Munger have over 50 million on a pro 38, anti 30.[/quote]
Prop 39 is the very definition of a pet project. Thomas Steyer is almost completely responsible for the creation and funding of the proposition. Of course it’s a little wonky and basically just fixes a loophole in the tax code that applies to corporations, so it’s not getting the same attention as more controversial matters.

[CDMA ENG]

President: FLU
Governor: UCGal (yes I know I have to wait till ’14)
Mayor: SDuuuude

And the richest man that I know personally said this to me when I turned 18.

“If there in… Vote them out… and if there is a woman on ballot vote for them because they’ll steal less.”

CE

But seriously I don’t want to vote for either. Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. 😛

[CardiffBaseball]

In Cali I’d be voting Johnson all the way.

In Florida I am a bit spooked and will pull the Romney lever.

[svelte]

Nobody has said Romney yet?

Weird.

[CAwireman]

[quote=CDMA ENG]President: FLU
Governor: UCGal (yes I know I have to wait till ’14)
Mayor: SDuuuude

And the richest man that I know personally said this to me when I turned 18.

“If there in… Vote them out… and if there is a woman on ballot vote for them because they’ll steal less.”

CE

But seriously I don’t want to vote for either. Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil. :P[/quote]

Pretty funny CE. Yeah, politics is dirty, end to end. And the less dirty the candidate, most often, the less the chances of him/her winning.

Not sure I agree with your wealthy friend. My wife steals, er/uh spends a lot!! LOL!!

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