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May 1, 2012 at 5:47 PM #742602May 1, 2012 at 6:59 PM #742604
sdrealtor
ParticipantLOL…your naiviety is showing. You have officially lost all credibility.
NYC is the Capital of the World. The most notorious thugs in the WORLD are in NYC.
Guess you need a little civics lesson.
There are about 8.3 Million residents in about 300 sq miles speaking about 800 different languages (LA has 3.8 in 500 sq mi). Not only do they have gangs, organized crime and street thugs but they are the #1 TARGET OF TERRORISTS IN THE WORLD. Terrorists didnt crash planes into Universal Studios or Disney Land they went for the WTC’s. On top of that they get about 50 Million visitors a year. There are also many millions who commute in “The City” every day for work. The record low temperature is MINUS 15 degrees and temperatures regularly are well below the record lows in LA. They get about 122 inches of precipitation a year (about 10 times what LA gets). There are 3 very busy international airports within 30 minutes of NYC. It is the international hub of the worlds business and commerce. It is home to 45 Fortune 500 company headquarters. It has a MASSIVE public transportation system that operates 24/7/365.
Being a cop in LA is like a Disneyland Day relative to being one in NYC.
You have absolutely no clue. Spend a week in NYC and get back to me.
May 1, 2012 at 7:03 PM #742605Participantdupe
May 1, 2012 at 7:30 PM #742607ocrenter
ParticipantGoing back to the NYC cop salary. The graph did say it is at 5 year base. So you figure after 10 years on the force plus overtime, they should be pulling in six figures.
May 1, 2012 at 7:34 PM #742608CA renter
ParticipantNope. Once again, I’m not the one who’s naive or “without a clue.”
——————-“The Los Angeles Police Department has suffered from chronic underfunding and under-staffing recently.[59] Compared to most other large cities in the United States, Los Angeles has historically had one of the lowest ratios of police personnel to population served.[59] Former police chief William J. Bratton made enlarging the force one of his top priorities (Bratton has been quoted as saying, “You give me 4,000 more officers and I’ll give you the safest city in the world”).[60]
The Los Angeles Police Department protects its city with only one officer for every 426 residents.[59] As a point of comparison, New York City boasts one NYPD officer for every 228 residents.[59] For Los Angeles to have the same ratio of officers as New York City, the LAPD would need to add nearly 17,000 officers. Further points of comparison include Chicago, which has a ratio of one officer per 216 citizens and Philadelphia, whose officer per citizen ratio is 1 to 219.[59]”
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“From spring 2007 through the spring of 2009, new recruits could earn money through sign on bonuses ranging from $5,000 to $10,000. Those bonuses ended in 2009.[71][72] Sign on bonuses were paid 1/2 after graduation from the academy, and 1/2 after completion of probation.[72] Also, $2,000 could be added for out of town sign ons for housing arrangements.[72] As of July 2009, new recruits earned starting salaries of $56,522–$61,095 depending on education level, and began earning their full salary on their first day of academy training.[73]As of January 2010, the starting base salary for high school graduates was lowered to $45,226. If the applicant has at least 60 college units, with an overall GPA of 2.0 or better, the applicant will start at $47,043. If the applicant has a BA or BSc (four year) degree, the applicant will start at $48,880.”
May 1, 2012 at 7:53 PM #742610ParticipantClearly you are. Its not just the population its the millions of people who commute in every day. Its the commerce passing through the city. Its the air passengers, rail passengers, port traffic. LA cops deal with at worst a bunch of street gangs. NYC cops deal with international terrorists crashing planes into skyscrapers. The face a constant threat of terrorist attacks. You hit wiki up for a single stat. I have spent extensive time in both cities. LA is not even close to NYC but then no place in the world is.
Serious question. Have you spent any time in NYC. I’m not talking about taking the circle line around the statue of liberty, going to a broadway show and a walk through central park. I’m talking 3 am on a subway in Harlem.
May 1, 2012 at 8:23 PM #742613Participant[quote=ocrenter]Going back to the NYC cop salary. The graph did say it is at 5 year base. So you figure after 10 years on the force plus overtime, they should be pulling in six figures.[/quote]
Yes plus entrepreurial profits too. There is no city in America even close to NYC. Sure LA has its rough hoods but few Los Angelenos are ever exposed to them. Talk to any NYC resident and i’d bet all of them have experienced time in very tough neighborhoods on a very regular basis. Again comparing LA to NYC is the ultimate oranges to big apples comparison. I can’t believe CAR is even trying to make a comparison.
May 1, 2012 at 9:24 PM #742616Participantsdr,
Don’t let facts get in your way or anything…
NYC violent crime rate: .55%
LA violent crime rate: .63%
http://city-crime-statistics.findthedata.org/compare/705-4852/Los-Angeles-vs-New-York
LA has a higher crime rate…and fewer cops to deal with it.
Not only that, but how often do NYC cops have to deal with terrorists flying into buildings vs. LA cops who have to deal with some of the world’s most violent gangsters?
May 1, 2012 at 9:51 PM #742619Participant[quote=CA renter]sdr,
Don’t let facts get in your way or anything…
NYC violent crime rate: .55%
LA violent crime rate: .63%
http://city-crime-statistics.findthedata.org/compare/705-4852/Los-Angeles-vs-New-York
LA has a higher crime rate…and fewer cops to deal with it.
Not only that, but how often do NYC cops have to deal with terrorists flying into buildings vs. LA cops who have to deal with some of the world’s most violent gangsters?[/quote]
———————-more facts:
ZERO deaths by terrorism in the US (including NYC) in 2010:
http://www.nctc.gov/witsbanner/docs/2010_report_on_terrorism.pdf
And 51 homicides in the FIRST MONTH of 2010 in LA (and this was a “good” year):
“Good news for Los Angeles County has hit the L.A newspapers, where several sources report a decline in homicides this year. The Los Angeles Times reports that across the county there were 51 killings in the first month of 2010, compared to 78 homicides in January 2009. There were 79 reported homicides in January 2008 and 81 homicides in January 2007.”
http://losangelescriminallegalblog.com/2010/02/los-angeles-sees-decrease-in-homicides-1.html
May 1, 2012 at 9:58 PM #742621ParticipantAll that means is the NYC cops do a better job further evidence they should be paid better. BTW, nice strawman as the comparison was Carlsbad cops vs NYC cops.
Still waiting to hear if you ever spent real time in NYC and have any real basis for comparison. I’d venture to guess you have barely been more than 100 miles outside of Carlsbad in the last 5 to 10 years.
May 1, 2012 at 11:10 PM #742622ParticipantWhy do i even bother?
In LA the current crime headline is an LAPD member getting hit in the head with a skateboard.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2012/05/may-day-protest-lead-to-confrontation.html
This is just a fraction of what the NYPD have dealt with in the last couple days.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/05/01/new-york-bomb-plotter-convicted-on-terror-charges/
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/04/ows-may-day-nyc-protests-solidary-march.html
May 2, 2012 at 2:03 AM #742626ParticipantYep, you’ve got to make it personal (and you’re wrong about that, too) when the facts prove you wrong…again.
You and Pri must have gone to the same place to learn your debate tactics.
May 2, 2012 at 6:54 AM #742628Anonymous
Guest[quote=CA renter]Yep, you’ve got to make it personal (and you’re wrong about that, too) when the facts prove you wrong…again.
You and Pri must have gone to the same place to learn your debate tactics.[/quote]
…as she makes personal comments about people who aren’t even in the discussion.
Speaking of where we’ve lived, who’s the one that keeps bringing up that I’m not from CA and therefore should leave? (even Allan called that one out on just how ignorant it was…) Sounds a bit “personal.”
But please show me one personal comment I’ve ever made about you. About where you’ve lived, what you do for a living, or your family, or any “personal” characteristic. We’ll post it up on your “empty list” board next to the socialist countries.
But back on topic: I have spent quite a bit of time in New York. Where I once worked, a few of us traveled there so much that my company owned an apartment downtown and I would stay there months at a time. I probably have spent about two years total of my live in NY over a 5 year period in the late 90s/early 2000s.
I’ve also lived in LA.
They don’t even compare. Nothing in the US is like New York – the density, the pace, the intensity, the constant activity. And the costs.
LA is just like every other CA city – sure it’s bigger, more dense in places than San Diego or San Jose, but it’s really just all the same urban sprawl.
As far as cops go, a big difference between NY and LA is that in NY the crime is everywhere. I lived in upper-end neighborhoods in both cities and I never saw crime in LA but saw it firsthand all the time in NY. Right on Wall Street, in the WTC Plaza, in upscale residential areas. These are places where billionaires are going to and from their offices – it would be like seeing frequent muggings at The Grove in LA.
And there’s so much other stuff going on in NYC that cops have to deal with. You really have to “experience” NYC to understand what it’s all about.
Now LA has some huge dangerous neighborhoods and I don’t doubt that the crime statistics are high. Being a cop in either NY or LA are both pretty tough jobs.
But comparing a cop’s job in NYC vs Carlsbad?
Suburban, upscale Carlsbad?
That’s comical!
May 2, 2012 at 7:10 AM #742631ParticipantPut it this way. A police commissioner would get his training in Boston. So he would be ready for his real job in NYC. And when it is time for semi-retirement, he moves to LA.
May 2, 2012 at 8:13 AM #742639ParticipantThanks for some reality. LA vs NYC is not even close and pri hit my next point before I got to it. In LA you have safe wealthy enclaves, in NYC there isnt a single place where there isnt constant activity. You have 100’s of street thugs running rampant on Madison Avenue 24/7/365. Not so much on Wilshire in the heart of the 90210. There is only one NYC and if you havent spent much time there you cant even begin to fathom the difference. Apparantely CAR hasnt.
BTW, what is personal about questioning your frame of reference and whether you have actually left the immediate area in the last 5 to 10 years. That is a question of fact and not opinion. I am not questioning your family, your work or your finances just your frame of reference because you dont get a real one sitting in suburbia on the Internet.
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