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February 13, 2009 at 1:01 PM #346507February 13, 2009 at 2:03 PM #345991
LarryTheRenter
ParticipantNotice that both the octet mom and her fertility doctor have middle eastern backgrounds…No offense, but they are always scamming the system…The doc was caught not paying taxes on 400K of income and somehow is still in practice!..The mom is going to suck CA taxpayers dry for over a million when it is all said and done.
An outrage..Lets clamp down on immigration once and for all unless a specific need is being met…Oh…and build that damn wall….I know it wouldnt have prevented any of this, but it would make me feel better…
February 13, 2009 at 2:03 PM #346311ParticipantNotice that both the octet mom and her fertility doctor have middle eastern backgrounds…No offense, but they are always scamming the system…The doc was caught not paying taxes on 400K of income and somehow is still in practice!..The mom is going to suck CA taxpayers dry for over a million when it is all said and done.
An outrage..Lets clamp down on immigration once and for all unless a specific need is being met…Oh…and build that damn wall….I know it wouldnt have prevented any of this, but it would make me feel better…
February 13, 2009 at 2:03 PM #346420ParticipantNotice that both the octet mom and her fertility doctor have middle eastern backgrounds…No offense, but they are always scamming the system…The doc was caught not paying taxes on 400K of income and somehow is still in practice!..The mom is going to suck CA taxpayers dry for over a million when it is all said and done.
An outrage..Lets clamp down on immigration once and for all unless a specific need is being met…Oh…and build that damn wall….I know it wouldnt have prevented any of this, but it would make me feel better…
February 13, 2009 at 2:03 PM #346453ParticipantNotice that both the octet mom and her fertility doctor have middle eastern backgrounds…No offense, but they are always scamming the system…The doc was caught not paying taxes on 400K of income and somehow is still in practice!..The mom is going to suck CA taxpayers dry for over a million when it is all said and done.
An outrage..Lets clamp down on immigration once and for all unless a specific need is being met…Oh…and build that damn wall….I know it wouldnt have prevented any of this, but it would make me feel better…
February 13, 2009 at 2:03 PM #346552ParticipantNotice that both the octet mom and her fertility doctor have middle eastern backgrounds…No offense, but they are always scamming the system…The doc was caught not paying taxes on 400K of income and somehow is still in practice!..The mom is going to suck CA taxpayers dry for over a million when it is all said and done.
An outrage..Lets clamp down on immigration once and for all unless a specific need is being met…Oh…and build that damn wall….I know it wouldnt have prevented any of this, but it would make me feel better…
February 13, 2009 at 6:55 PM #346135no_such_reality
ParticipantNavydoc,
perhaps an easier question. What’s the probability of implanting six and having all six take.
When I said remote, I didn’t mean winning the lottery odds, I meant in comparison to the liklihood that the mother isn’t telling the truth.
The ethics boards have restrictions or guidelines on implanting more than three because of the increased risk of multiple pregnancies, but even then, if it was highly likely than all would take, then implanting three would even be suspect.
If the odds of an implanted embryo taking and maturing is 90%, if they’re independent (meaning each doens’t improve the liklihood of the others) then the odds of all six taking fall to 50/50.
At 80% success rate, 4 in 5 attempts succeeding, the odds of all six taking falls to 25%.
The reality is in vitro success rate is in the 30-35% rate for women under 35 years of age.
For all six to take at a 35% rate, it’s 0.2% or 2 in 1000. From the 2 in a thousand shot, we now would need two of the six embroyos to split into viable twins.
Given observations of the mother’s interviews, I’d say the odds she isn’t telling the truth are in excess of 10%.
The probablility of 6 for 6 succeeding and then splitting for twins, less than 1%, probably closer to 0.01%.
Could it happen, yes.
But that misses the point too. Even implanting six when you have no job and six children is, IMHO, irresponsible.
February 13, 2009 at 6:55 PM #346456ParticipantNavydoc,
perhaps an easier question. What’s the probability of implanting six and having all six take.
When I said remote, I didn’t mean winning the lottery odds, I meant in comparison to the liklihood that the mother isn’t telling the truth.
The ethics boards have restrictions or guidelines on implanting more than three because of the increased risk of multiple pregnancies, but even then, if it was highly likely than all would take, then implanting three would even be suspect.
If the odds of an implanted embryo taking and maturing is 90%, if they’re independent (meaning each doens’t improve the liklihood of the others) then the odds of all six taking fall to 50/50.
At 80% success rate, 4 in 5 attempts succeeding, the odds of all six taking falls to 25%.
The reality is in vitro success rate is in the 30-35% rate for women under 35 years of age.
For all six to take at a 35% rate, it’s 0.2% or 2 in 1000. From the 2 in a thousand shot, we now would need two of the six embroyos to split into viable twins.
Given observations of the mother’s interviews, I’d say the odds she isn’t telling the truth are in excess of 10%.
The probablility of 6 for 6 succeeding and then splitting for twins, less than 1%, probably closer to 0.01%.
Could it happen, yes.
But that misses the point too. Even implanting six when you have no job and six children is, IMHO, irresponsible.
February 13, 2009 at 6:55 PM #346565ParticipantNavydoc,
perhaps an easier question. What’s the probability of implanting six and having all six take.
When I said remote, I didn’t mean winning the lottery odds, I meant in comparison to the liklihood that the mother isn’t telling the truth.
The ethics boards have restrictions or guidelines on implanting more than three because of the increased risk of multiple pregnancies, but even then, if it was highly likely than all would take, then implanting three would even be suspect.
If the odds of an implanted embryo taking and maturing is 90%, if they’re independent (meaning each doens’t improve the liklihood of the others) then the odds of all six taking fall to 50/50.
At 80% success rate, 4 in 5 attempts succeeding, the odds of all six taking falls to 25%.
The reality is in vitro success rate is in the 30-35% rate for women under 35 years of age.
For all six to take at a 35% rate, it’s 0.2% or 2 in 1000. From the 2 in a thousand shot, we now would need two of the six embroyos to split into viable twins.
Given observations of the mother’s interviews, I’d say the odds she isn’t telling the truth are in excess of 10%.
The probablility of 6 for 6 succeeding and then splitting for twins, less than 1%, probably closer to 0.01%.
Could it happen, yes.
But that misses the point too. Even implanting six when you have no job and six children is, IMHO, irresponsible.
February 13, 2009 at 6:55 PM #346599ParticipantNavydoc,
perhaps an easier question. What’s the probability of implanting six and having all six take.
When I said remote, I didn’t mean winning the lottery odds, I meant in comparison to the liklihood that the mother isn’t telling the truth.
The ethics boards have restrictions or guidelines on implanting more than three because of the increased risk of multiple pregnancies, but even then, if it was highly likely than all would take, then implanting three would even be suspect.
If the odds of an implanted embryo taking and maturing is 90%, if they’re independent (meaning each doens’t improve the liklihood of the others) then the odds of all six taking fall to 50/50.
At 80% success rate, 4 in 5 attempts succeeding, the odds of all six taking falls to 25%.
The reality is in vitro success rate is in the 30-35% rate for women under 35 years of age.
For all six to take at a 35% rate, it’s 0.2% or 2 in 1000. From the 2 in a thousand shot, we now would need two of the six embroyos to split into viable twins.
Given observations of the mother’s interviews, I’d say the odds she isn’t telling the truth are in excess of 10%.
The probablility of 6 for 6 succeeding and then splitting for twins, less than 1%, probably closer to 0.01%.
Could it happen, yes.
But that misses the point too. Even implanting six when you have no job and six children is, IMHO, irresponsible.
February 13, 2009 at 6:55 PM #346698ParticipantNavydoc,
perhaps an easier question. What’s the probability of implanting six and having all six take.
When I said remote, I didn’t mean winning the lottery odds, I meant in comparison to the liklihood that the mother isn’t telling the truth.
The ethics boards have restrictions or guidelines on implanting more than three because of the increased risk of multiple pregnancies, but even then, if it was highly likely than all would take, then implanting three would even be suspect.
If the odds of an implanted embryo taking and maturing is 90%, if they’re independent (meaning each doens’t improve the liklihood of the others) then the odds of all six taking fall to 50/50.
At 80% success rate, 4 in 5 attempts succeeding, the odds of all six taking falls to 25%.
The reality is in vitro success rate is in the 30-35% rate for women under 35 years of age.
For all six to take at a 35% rate, it’s 0.2% or 2 in 1000. From the 2 in a thousand shot, we now would need two of the six embroyos to split into viable twins.
Given observations of the mother’s interviews, I’d say the odds she isn’t telling the truth are in excess of 10%.
The probablility of 6 for 6 succeeding and then splitting for twins, less than 1%, probably closer to 0.01%.
Could it happen, yes.
But that misses the point too. Even implanting six when you have no job and six children is, IMHO, irresponsible.
February 13, 2009 at 8:00 PM #346145Aecetia
ParticipantHey jpinpb:
Ask TG his theory on how many cats a person can have before they are abnormal. He has a theory about that. It might relate to this woman.
February 13, 2009 at 8:00 PM #346466ParticipantHey jpinpb:
Ask TG his theory on how many cats a person can have before they are abnormal. He has a theory about that. It might relate to this woman.
February 13, 2009 at 8:00 PM #346575ParticipantHey jpinpb:
Ask TG his theory on how many cats a person can have before they are abnormal. He has a theory about that. It might relate to this woman.
February 13, 2009 at 8:00 PM #346609ParticipantHey jpinpb:
Ask TG his theory on how many cats a person can have before they are abnormal. He has a theory about that. It might relate to this woman.
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