OT – warrantless cell phone searches BANNED!

[FlyerInHi]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook]”Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.[/quote]

bad analogy. Once there is a major policy implemented, there is institutional self-perpetuation as well as momentum. It takes a whole generation to right the ship.

[CDMA ENG]

Anything I have ever seen has been day to day bad guys.

Nothing terrorism related…

but then again unless I am working with a field agent directly I have no idea what the bulk of the intercepts
are for.

CE

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]”Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.[/quote]

bad analogy. Once there is a major policy implemented, there is institutional self-perpetuation as well as momentum. It takes a whole generation to right the ship.[/quote]

It’s all the same policy. They just change the names.

[scaredyclassic]

Getting a warrant is not difficult. Dui cops now need a warrant for a blood draw too. There’s judges on call ….it’s all very quick and relatively easy.

[spdrun]

Better that they have to ask permission than be allowed to take without asking. Anything that makes law enforcement’s life even a slight bit more onerous is good in my book and a given judge’s decisions are subject to scrutiny by other judges which might just decide to throw a case out.

Culture has swung too far in the violence industry’s favor since 9/11. Time for some pushback.

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=spdrun]Better that they have to ask permission than be allowed to take without asking. Anything that makes law enforcement’s life even a slight bit more onerous is good in my book and a given judge’s decisions are subject to scrutiny by other judges which might just decide to throw a case out.

Culture has swung too far in the violence industry’s favor since 9/11. Time for some pushback.[/quote]

Since 9/11? What about FISA? Or Hoover’s COINTELPRO program?

The US has been making war on its own poor and the 3rd world for decades. The technology has simply become better. No more pen registers, now they have supercomputers.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=spdrun]Better that they have to ask permission than be allowed to take without asking. Anything that makes law enforcement’s life even a slight bit more onerous is good in my book and a given judge’s decisions are subject to scrutiny by other judges which might just decide to throw a case out.

Culture has swung too far in the violence industry’s favor since 9/11. Time for some pushback.[/quote]

agreed. just some reality check, in case one envisioned a really detailed, reasoned process in the warrant seeking department.

it’s also amazing how many people will “consent” when cops lean on them, since they have “nothing to hide”.

[spdrun]

Since 9/11? What about FISA? Or Hoover’s COINTELPRO program?

Some of the Hoover-era insanity from the 60s and 70s was cleaned up in the mid 70s. It seems to be cyclical. Hopefully, 1-2 years ago was another cycle peak and it will slow down for 10-20 years from here.

[CA renter]

[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=FlyerInHi][quote=Allan from Fallbrook]”Meet the new boss, same as the old boss”.[/quote]

bad analogy. Once there is a major policy implemented, there is institutional self-perpetuation as well as momentum. It takes a whole generation to right the ship.[/quote]

It’s all the same policy. They just change the names.[/quote]

Exactly right, Allan. The puppets might be portrayed as being from opposite sides, but they are all controlled by the same puppet masters. Those who say that we actually have a say in how we are governed aren’t paying attention to the facts.

[FlyerInHi]

it’s true that the federal government has been accumulating powers over the last few decades.

it’s institutional momentum on the part of the executive. But it’s up to the Congress to do its job to limit executive power.

If people keep on using “weak on crime” and “weak on terrorism” charges, doesn’t it follow that law enforcement at all levels of government will argue “give us stronger powers if you want to be tougher on crime/terrorism.”

[Allan from Fallbrook]

[quote=FlyerInHi]it’s true that the federal government has been accumulating powers over the last few decades.

it’s institutional momentum on the part of the executive. But it’s up to the Congress to do its job to limit executive power.

If people keep on using “weak on crime” and “weak on terrorism” charges, doesn’t it follow that law enforcement at all levels of government will argue “give us stronger powers if you want to be tougher on crime/terrorism.”[/quote]

Your third paragraph is essentially a tautology.

I agree that the last decades have seen a movement towards an imperial presidency, but would argue that, in addition to Congress, the judiciary needs to be more active in pushing back. Congress has been either complicit or compliant, depending on the situation. As egregious as certain examples of executive power have been, Patriot I/II, AUMF, NDAA, etc, have emerged from the legislative, not the executive.

A lapdog media, combined with an ill-informed and largely disinterested populace, have aided and abetted the problem.

[FlyerInHi]

I’ve recently noticed something weird with Facebook.

I started getting all kinds of friends suggestions and I was wondering how facebook found them. There is only one way. On my iPhone, they accessed my contacts and cross-referenced by phone number.

How do I know? there are contractors I don’t even have email address for. I only call them but they got suggested as my friends. I don’t even have their full names input in. I had something like “Juan drywall San Diego.”

Am I correct that Facebook is not supposed to do that? there should be some kind of lawsuit to make them pay for violating privacy.

Or they should be forced to shutdown altogether as a deterrent to future violators.

[livinincali]

[quote=FlyerInHi]I’ve recently noticed something weird with Facebook.

I started getting all kinds of friends suggestions and I was wondering how facebook found them. There is only one way. On my iPhone, they accessed my contacts and cross-referenced by phone number.

How do I know? there are contractors I don’t even have email address for. I only call them but they got suggested as my friends. I don’t even have their full names input in. I had something like “Juan drywall San Diego.”

Am I correct that Facebook is not supposed to do that? there should be some kind of lawsuit to make them pay for violating privacy.

Or they should be forced to shutdown altogether as a deterrent to future violators.[/quote]

You pressed I accept on the terms and conditions. Obviously you have a choice. You can stop using Facebook on your phone. For Facebook you are the product. You have a choice to stop being their product.

Here’s a list of the things Facebook has requested permission for and you agreed to when clicking I accept.

http://www.infowars.com/facebook-wants-to-listen-to-your-phone-calls/

If you don’t want to click the link

[quote]As the screenshot above illustrates (click for enlargement), users are made to accept an agreement that allows Facebook to “record audio with the microphone….at any time without your confirmation.”

The TOS also authorizes Facebook to take videos and pictures using the phone’s camera at any time without permission, as well as directly calling numbers, again without permission, that could incur charges.

But wait, there’s more! Facebook can also “read your phone’s call log” and “read data about contacts stored on your phone, including the frequency with which you’ve called, emailed or communicated in other ways with specific individuals.”
[/quote]

Or if you prefer a more liberal source.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-fiorella/the-insidiousness-of-face_b_4365645.html

[quote]
Allows the app to change the state of network connectivity

Allows the app to call phone numbers without your intervention. This may result in unexpected charges or calls. Malicious apps may cost you money by making calls without your confirmation.

Allows the app to send SMS messages. This may result in unexpected charges. Malicious apps may cost you money by sending messages without your confirmation.

Allows the app to record audio with microphone. This permission allows the app to record audio at any time without your confirmation.

Allows the app to take pictures and videos with the camera. This permission allows the app to use the camera at any time without your confirmation.

Allows the app to read you phone’s call log, including data about incoming and outgoing calls. This permission allows apps to save your call log data, and malicious apps may share call log data without your knowledge.

Allows the app to read data about your contacts stored on your phone, including the frequency with which you’ve called, emailed, or communicated in other ways with specific individuals.

Allows the app to read personal profile information stored on your device, such as your name and contact information. This means the app can identify you and may send your profile information to others.

Allows the app to access the phone features of the device. This permission allows the app to determine the phone number and device IDs, whether a call is active, and the remote number connected by a call.

Allows the app to get a list of accounts known by the phone. This may include any accounts created by applications you have installed.
[/quote]

[spdrun]

Maybe it’s time to design the equivalent of a chroot jail for Android apps. Make any suspicious app think it has full roam of the OS while, in reality, there’s a wall built around it to keep it from accessing data outside of its padded sandbox.

[FlyerInHi]

Obviously I didn’t read the user license agreement.

The accumulation of data and the cross referencing to link people to each other is pretty scary.

Some of the facebook friends suggestions were contractors I used only one time. Now whenever I add a facebook friend, I get more suggestions based on that new friend. facebook seems eager to generate more social connection and more traffic.

I’m going to minimize the use of facebook to just follow some close friends and family members.

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