OT: Top 10 Non-Academic Football/Party Schools

[Anonymous]

Guess what, those are all party schools too (except BYU). Anyway who would want to work for a wannabe elitist like you in the first place?

[Anonymous]

By the way, for most undergraduate majors, there is practically no difference between any of these large universities, big time football or not, in terms of curriculum, resources, etc.

For example, to suggest that a UMich undergrad is going to receive a superior education versus MSU is utter non-sense. UM may be more “prestigious” for whatever reasons and it is more competitive to get in primarily due to increased competition from out of staters (mostly east coast jews as a matter of fact). But that proves nothing about the actual curriculum or quality of education.

It annoys the hell out of my how much people overrate the value of higher education these days.

[millennial]

[quote=paramount]A list of a few academically competitive Schools with big time football programs:

1. UVA
2. UCB
3. UCLA
4. UND
5. Michigan
6. Stanford
7. BYU
8. Washington
9. Maryland
10. USC[/quote]

BTW, if you are going to extend the list to include BYU (#54 based on value of football team, #66 based on US News and World Report National Universities) and Maryland (#56 based on football and #57 based on academics) then you need to include the following programs also which also fall in the criteria.

(rank in value of football program/rank based on undergraduate program)
Northwestern (45, 12)
Ohio State (1,52)
Texas (2,52)
Penn State (10,47 tied)
Florida (7,47 tied)
Georgia (8,61)

Actually, out of the top 10 most valued football programs 7 are ranked in the top 61 by US News and World Report annual National University Undergrad rankings. I could go farther down the line but I think this pretty much sums up your ignorance and how much you’re full of it.

[millennial]

[quote=deadzone] It annoys the hell out of my how much people overrate the value of higher education these days.[/quote]

Agreed. Graduate degrees and research is what university academics are all about. Also college football programs like OSU and Texas which are worth almost $1Bn dollars aren’t meant to fund undergraduate studies, but are used primarily for research. Where do the great minds of this planet go? They go to the universities that have the most funding, be it from football/alumni/undergraduate tuition fees/state grants etc.

[millennial]

[quote=deadzone]By the way, for most undergraduate majors, there is practically no difference between any of these large universities, big time football or not, in terms of curriculum, resources, etc.

For example, to suggest that a UMich undergrad is going to receive a superior education versus MSU is utter non-sense. UM may be more “prestigious” for whatever reasons and it is more competitive to get in primarily due to increased competition from out of staters (mostly east coast jews as a matter of fact). But that proves nothing about the actual curriculum or quality of education.

It annoys the hell out of my how much people overrate the value of higher education these days.[/quote]

Agree. Higher education means different things for different people. Personally, I studied a lot in HS and could have went to a more prestigious academic school (top 5 schools by US News) if I wanted to, but based on what I wanted to get out of college I couldn’t have made a better choice. For me college was learning about being away from my parents and having fun, but also able to get a job once I got out. Now that it’s been 15 years since, I’ve learned that success isn’t about what your undergraduate college was ranked (#27 vs. #52). Also to be honest with you, I don’t think it ever mattered. I got my first job from connections I made and have gotten each subsequent job based on referrals. Quality employees and employers don’t base merit on a # spit out by a magazine, they base it on you.

[scaredyclassic]

“The main aim of education should be to send children out into the world with a reasonably sized anthology in their heads so that, while seated on the lavatory, waiting in doctor’s surgeries, on stationary trains or watching interviews with politicians, they have something interesting to think about.”
John Mortimer

[millennial]

[quote=scaredyclassic]“The main aim of education should be to send children out into the world with a reasonably sized anthology in their heads so that, while seated on the lavatory, waiting in doctor’s surgeries, on stationary trains or watching interviews with politicians, they have something interesting to think about.”
John Mortimer[/quote]

Football is very interesting to talk about. Hence the reason why we have so much media and so much $ devoted to it.

[Anonymous]

Speaking of college sports, as my TW cable bill keeps inching towards $200 per month I really want to break the addiction of Sports. I realized that 90% of my TV watching is done on a grand total of about 7-8 mostly sports related channels. But unfortunately most of these channels are not available yet on standard streaming services without also having a cable (although Sling offers ESPN so that is moving in the right direction).

[millennial]

I cut my cord a few years ago and was going to suggest sling for ESPN, which covers about 90% of the college games I watch. I also use local broadcast for nationally and locally televised professional games. For ones that aren’t broadcasted locally or are affiliated with a conference (big 10, sec, pac 10) with or without cable you will need to subscribe to specific packages to watch out of network games. Your dependence on those packages depends a lot on the teams you cover. Luckily MSU has been on ESPN quite a bit for both football and basketball so no need to subscribe to the b10 network, whereas if I followed Rutgers or Northwestern I would.

[poorgradstudent]

[quote=scaredyclassic]“The main aim of education should be to send children out into the world with a reasonably sized anthology in their heads so that, while seated on the lavatory, waiting in doctor’s surgeries, on stationary trains or watching interviews with politicians, they have something interesting to think about.”
John Mortimer[/quote]

“Sent from my iPhone”.

I’m soooo glad boredom is an outdated thing of the past. So much easier to wait places now!

[bearishgurl]

[quote=yamashi1][quote=deadzone]By the way, for most undergraduate majors, there is practically no difference between any of these large universities, big time football or not, in terms of curriculum, resources, etc.

For example, to suggest that a UMich undergrad is going to receive a superior education versus MSU is utter non-sense. UM may be more “prestigious” for whatever reasons and it is more competitive to get in primarily due to increased competition from out of staters (mostly east coast jews as a matter of fact). But that proves nothing about the actual curriculum or quality of education.

It annoys the hell out of my how much people overrate the value of higher education these days.[/quote]

Agree. Higher education means different things for different people. Personally, I studied a lot in HS and could have went to a more prestigious academic school (top 5 schools by US News) if I wanted to, but based on what I wanted to get out of college I couldn’t have made a better choice. For me college was learning about being away from my parents and having fun, but also able to get a job once I got out. Now that it’s been 15 years since, I’ve learned that success isn’t about what your undergraduate college was ranked (#27 vs. #52). Also to be honest with you, I don’t think it ever mattered. I got my first job from connections I made and have gotten each subsequent job based on referrals. Quality employees and employers don’t base merit on a # spit out by a magazine, they base it on you.[/quote]

yamashi1, I’m assuming here that you meant “I got my first job from connections I made [while in college]…”

My kid(s) did as well. To be frank, it was their “connections” made through business dept internships and their respective Greek organizations which landed them their first (and subsequent) jobs.

On another note: I browsed the OU Greek system web pages yesterday and noticed the gorgeous, well-maintained off-campus all brick behemoths which housed the entirety of their (upper-classmen/women) members (those not required to live on campus). All I can say is “wow!”

More than 5,000 current students have chosen to take advantage of the many benefits of fraternity and sorority life here at the University of Oklahoma and beyond. These benefits include academic assistance, leadership development, close friendships and community involvement. Each of our 58 active chapters is a member of one of our five Greek councils and each offers unique opportunities for personal growth and meaningful experiences to 25% of the University of Oklahoma student population.

http://www.ou.edu/content/studentlife/get_involved/fssl.html

For example, click on a symbol and then their local website to see the houses:

http://www.ou.edu/content/studentlife/get_involved/fssl/panhellenic/chapters.html

Likely due to the prohibitive cost of land, for the most part, CA-based chapters of same organizations don’t have these fantastic benefits for their members … even where Greek organizations are numerous and well-entrenched such as at “Bezerkely” (Cal), UCLA and USC. CA’s frat/sorority houses are much smaller and tend to be more run down, typically housing just 8-20 members. Many of them I’ve seen online and in person are just garden-variety 3 to 5 bdrm tract homes turned frat house (with a paved over front yard for parking). In several CA jurisdictions (with antiquated zoning laws still left on their books) a “sorority house” is still considered a “brothel” and is therefore “illegal.” (Not so with frat houses, lol.) This causes the membership to be scattered over a large area surrounding the university as opposed to residing together (which I feel would be more cohesive).

I still have a few (older) relatives who live in Norman (or very near there). And yes, one had to recently rebuild their entire 10 AC homestead (with ins $) due to being decimated by the record tornado in 2013:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_Moore_tornado

In spite of being partially in the path of the (infamous) “tornado alley,” Norman is a really nice city and the university is absolutely first-rate, inside and out and gorgeous to look at.

[scaredyclassic]

[quote=poorgradstudent][quote=scaredyclassic]“The main aim of education should be to send children out into the world with a reasonably sized anthology in their heads so that, while seated on the lavatory, waiting in doctor’s surgeries, on stationary trains or watching interviews with politicians, they have something interesting to think about.”
John Mortimer[/quote]

“Sent from my iPhone”.

I’m soooo glad boredom is an outdated thing of the past. So much easier to wait places now![/quote]

At least have an interesting topic to google?

[millennial]

I’ve never been to Oklahoma but I have some friends that went there. Those houses look gorgeous! I have never seen something like that in California except some places in San Marino and Pasadena. Wish they had something like that in SD.

[bearishgurl]

[quote=yamashi1]I’ve never been to Oklahoma but I have some friends that went there. Those houses look gorgeous! I have never seen something like that in California except some places in San Marino and Pasadena. Wish they had something like that in SD.[/quote]I quite agree . . . but were they frat/sorority houses?

[paramount]

This may be the most important unsolicited advice those with sons/young men will ever receive:

If at all possible, send your son’s to a midwest college.

If your son’s stay in California and get mixed up with a California princess they’ll likely be in for a life of misery.

[Author]

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