OT: The New Groupthink

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[quote=AN][quote=craptcha]Expanded quote, from your link

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.[/quote]IIRC, the first internet got funded through defense. Aren’t we talking about cutting defense budget?[/quote]

The Internet is already invented and we don’t need to invent it again.

Also, defense budget is not entirely used on DARPA. It also pays for Duke Cunningham’s Del Mar house and few other minor expenditures. Do you want to know how much you pay to have a Navy officer reassigned from Miramar to Germany for a year and have his family (and his truck and his dog) keep him company during that year?

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[quote=craptcha][quote=AN][quote=craptcha]Expanded quote, from your link

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you’ve got a business — you didn’t build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn’t get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.[/quote]IIRC, the first internet got funded through defense. Aren’t we talking about cutting defense budget?[/quote]

The Internet is already invented and we don’t need to invent it again.

Also, defense budget is not entirely used on DARPA. It also pays for Duke Cunningham’s Del Mar house and few other minor expenditures. Do you want to know how much you pay to have a Navy officer reassigned from Miramar to Germany for a year and have his family (and his truck and his dog) keep him company during that year?[/quote]But we can keep on pumping more money into government and we’ll get .com v3.0 and v4.0.

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[quote=AN]But we can keep on pumping more money into government and we’ll get .com v3.0 and v4.0.[/quote]

ROFLMAO!

Seriously, the Internet is a by product of basically co-opted and illegal use of government resources.

Go read about ARPANet.

Here’s a hint, an MIT handbook from the early 80s:

“It is considered illegal to use the ARPANet for anything which is not in direct support of Government business … personal messages to other ARPANet subscribers (for example, to arrange a get-together or check and say a friendly hello) are generally not considered harmful … Sending electronic mail over the ARPANet for commercial profit or political purposes is both anti-social and illegal. By sending such messages, you can offend many people, and it is possible to get MIT in serious trouble with the Government agencies which manage the ARPANet.”

While we’re at it, let’s pump some more money in Solyndra too, so we can get V2.0.

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And we can safely retire TCP/IP since that Soviet nukilar attack is not very likely anymore.

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[quote=craptcha]And we can safely retire TCP/IP since that Soviet nukilar attack is not very likely anymore.[/quote]

As you write this I’m having internet troubles. Been having latency issues and widely swinging networks speeds all day.

So, I think it’s safe to say we still need TCP/IP..not to deal with nukes but to deal with crappy chinese and tawainese routers and hung over telecom workers driving back hoes.

[Coronita]

Trivial fact:

CDMA ( spread spectrum) came originally from the defense industry…..

[UCGal]

Going back to the points in the article linked in the OP. I’ve worked in “open office” environments, and in environments where there is some privacy for individual workers – even if it’s just 5′ cube walls.

I much prefer the privacy environment.

If you want to collaborate – get a conference room or hang out on the comfy furniture in the lobby… But when I have a deadline, I don’t need chit-chat, I need to be able to concentrate.

I guess that’s the INTJ side of me.

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[quote=UCGal]Going back to the points in the article linked in the OP. I’ve worked in “open office” environments, and in environments where there is some privacy for individual workers – even if it’s just 5′ cube walls.

I much prefer the privacy environment.

If you want to collaborate – get a conference room or hang out on the comfy furniture in the lobby… But when I have a deadline, I don’t need chit-chat, I need to be able to concentrate.

I guess that’s the INTJ side of me.[/quote]
There are a couple if INTJ in your team and they seem to thrive in our lab environment. I never heard them complain. I myself am ENFJ and I like the open environment.

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[quote=flu]Trivial fact:

CDMA ( spread spectrum) came originally from the defense industry…..[/quote]Or more accurately.. Hedy Lamarr…

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[quote=ucodegen][quote=flu]Trivial fact:

CDMA ( spread spectrum) came originally from the defense industry…..[/quote]Or more accurately.. Hedy Lamarr…[/quote]

Here is a dated, yet interesting link to support the reference to Hedy Lamarr and the evolution of spread spectrum technology. . .
http://www.rickmathieson.com/articles/1102-lamarr.html

As my wife, who is also a screenwriter says, “You never know what we creative “Hollywood types” are going to come up with next!”

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If everyone else thinks there is groupthink, well, then so do I !

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