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July 21, 2012 at 11:07 AM #748646July 21, 2012 at 10:13 PM #748692
Aecetia
ParticipantA very good point. And now the theaters reserve the right to search your purse or backpack. Probably to search for cheaper candy. It is not like he brought all his firepower in a backpack.
July 21, 2012 at 10:48 PM #748694spdrun
ParticipantWhat is most troubling to me is that Holmes entered the theatre as an unarmed regular customer and no alarm was set off when Holmes exited the emergency exit to get his body armour and weapons. Had there been, it would have likely alerted theatre security to the door and he would have never made it back in to do the shooting. I think this issue could end up being a cause of action in civil proceedings against the owners of the theatre.
Absurd. The theatre had no way of knowing that a madman would attack, nor reason of planning for that attack. Sometimes s**t happens, and no one other than the person doing the s**tting is to blame.
Yeah, we could attempt to totally eliminate one-in-a-million crime, but that would lead to a totally controlled world that’s not much fun to live in. Any litigation against the theatre would be money grubbing, plain and simple.
July 21, 2012 at 10:57 PM #748695sdrealtor
ParticipantI was curious and looked up where he lived. Very ordinary home in PQ. Parents bought in 2000 and never cashed out. They also kept old house which looks free and clear. Looks like he grew up in a financially conservative household. Of course, who knows what went on behind the front door.
July 21, 2012 at 11:11 PM #748696zk
Participant[quote=spdrun]
Yeah, we could attempt to totally eliminate one-in-a-million crime, but that would lead to a totally controlled world that’s not much fun to live in. Any litigation against the theatre would be money grubbing, plain and simple.[/quote]Amen, brother.
July 22, 2012 at 12:11 AM #748700bearishgurl
Participant[quote=spdrun]…Yeah, we could attempt to totally eliminate one-in-a-million crime, but that would lead to a totally controlled world that’s not much fun to live in. Any litigation against the theatre would be money grubbing, plain and simple.[/quote]
I understand. But I think it will happen, regardless . . .
btw, those “emergency exit” doors are supposed to set off alarms. You have to ask yourself what happpened with that and if they did, why didn’t the theatre security respond?
The victims’ families are entitled to these answers and they no doubt will get them … in one way or another…
July 22, 2012 at 12:12 AM #748701Participant[quote=sdrealtor]I was curious and looked up where he lived. Very ordinary home in PQ. Parents bought in 2000 and never cashed out. They also kept old house which looks free and clear. Looks like he grew up in a financially conservative household. Of course, who knows what went on behind the front door.[/quote]
I KNOW you don’t want to believe this, but sometimes kids turn out with mental problems as an adult … thru no fault of their upbringing …
July 22, 2012 at 12:17 AM #748702Participant[quote=Aecetia]A very good point. And now the theaters reserve the right to search your purse or backpack. Probably to search for cheaper candy. It is not like he brought all his firepower in a backpack.[/quote]
And they DO search. It is okay to bring in bottled water from home, “cheaper candy” and “microwave popcorn” in your oversized purse to Plaza Bonita (NC) and Ultrastar (ChulaV Mall). I’ve done it myself!
Regal Cinemas do not allow it.
July 22, 2012 at 6:33 AM #748707ParticipantYou have to ask yourself what happpened with that and if they did, why didn’t the theatre security respond?
Not all business establishments have their own security guards, nor should they be required to. Furthermore, security guards in businesses aren’t allowed to be armed in a lot of states.
The victims’ families are entitled to these answers and they no doubt will get them … in one way or another…
The only people who should answer to anyone are the criminal himself, and maybe the university, his family, and the gun dealer. The theatre was the victim here, not an involved party.
July 22, 2012 at 8:27 AM #748712SK in CV
Participant[quote=spdrun]The only people who should answer to anyone are the criminal himself, and maybe the university, his family, and the gun dealer. The theatre was the victim here, not an involved party.[/quote]
What university? Why would the family be required to answer to anyone? It’s been reported that all gun purchases were perfectly legal, so why would the gun dealers have to answer to anyone, beyond that?
The theatre obviously IS an involved party, as much as every single witness. But I agree, the theatre managment and owners were additional victims.
July 22, 2012 at 10:18 PM #748757paramount
Participant[quote=SK in CV]
It’s been reported that all gun purchases were perfectly legal, so why would the gun dealers have to answer to anyone, beyond that?
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May be this was covered, but where would he have gotten the money for all of the equipment, including the tactical gear?
Campus credit cards? Student loans?
Some other source?
I’m sure someone is following the money.
July 30, 2012 at 3:27 PM #749273Participant[quote=bearishgurl][quote=spdrun]
Prick was a coward. Should have shot himself.. Only upside, I hope they put him in general population…
I think Colorado (at least theoretically) still has the chair. As much as I dislike the death penalty, a death sentence in this case wouldn’t make me too upset.[/quote]
My prediction is that Holmes will be advised to cop a plea that he was legally insane at the time of the shooting and in the weeks leading up to it. He can’t really go to trial. It’s a huge waste of time and money. There were hundreds of witnesses who saw his hair colored red as “the Joker” and that was exactly the way he was arrested . . . If found legally insane, he will likely end up at a state psychiatric facility, at least for the first year.
What is most troubling to me is that Holmes entered the theatre as an unarmed regular customer and no alarm was set off when Holmes exited the emergency exit to get his body armour and weapons. Had there been, it would have likely alerted theatre security to the door and he would have never made it back in to do the shooting. I think this issue could end up being a cause of action in civil proceedings against the owners of the theatre. [/quote]
Well, looks like the prosecutors/judge threw the book at Holmes this morning by double-charging him and he said nothing except to agree to waive time. As it should be. He has nothing to lose at this point.
It also appears that Holmes was engaged in psychiatric counseling just prior to the incident. Since the incident appears to be premeditated, one wonders whether the act of seeking and engaging in counseling in the days/weeks leading up to the shooting was also premeditated.
Holmes may have actually mailed his therapist his plans for carrying out the shooting prior to its execution (a cry for help?) but the pkg sat in the university mailroom for a week and his therapist did not receive it until the Monday after the shootings took place. Of course, the university turned the pkg over to police.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/25/james-holmes-sent-notebook-psychiatrist_n_1702216.html
Holmes’ therapist specializes in treating schizophrenia.
Holmes’ attorneys filed a motion Friday demanding that the court “immediately produce all discovery pertaining to the seizure of the package.”
[quote=bearishgurl] [quote=spdrun]…Yeah, we could attempt to totally eliminate one-in-a-million crime, but that would lead to a totally controlled world that’s not much fun to live in. Any litigation against the theatre would be money grubbing, plain and simple.[/quote]
I understand. But I think it will happen, regardless . . .btw, those “emergency exit” doors are supposed to set off alarms. You have to ask yourself what happened with that and if they did, why didn’t the theatre security respond?
The victims’ families are entitled to these answers and they no doubt will get them … in one way or another…[/quote]
Sounds like answers are beginning to be forthcoming …
http://news.yahoo.com/colo-theater-lacked-security-unlike-peers-192335974.html
I don’t know CO law but I predict lawyers for the victims will state that customers have a reasonable right to be kept safe while patronizing public venues.
I’ve seen a lot of stuff like this in my day, including the way it all plays out . . . ad nauseum. Stay tuned.
July 30, 2012 at 3:44 PM #749275ParticipantOnce again:
Frankly, it’s absurd that public businesses providing a routine public service should need to hire security guards. We’re not talking night clubs or concerts, where people can be expected to get drunk and fight.
Holmes could have just as easily attacked in a crowded restaurant, Little League game, or train car. Should those be required to hire armed goons as well?
Sometimes crap happens. So long as we live in a free society, we can’t prevent every attack of that type, nor should we go to extreme measures to do so. Time to lock him up in a secure mental asylum or (if found guilty) give him a death sentence and move on.
The shooting was disgusting enough. The blame game makes the situation even more sickening.
May 9, 2013 at 3:03 PM #761894Participant[quote=bearishgurl on July 21, 2012 – 11:07am.][quote=spdrun]
Prick was a coward. Should have shot himself.. Only upside, I hope they put him in general population…
I think Colorado (at least theoretically) still has the chair. As much as I dislike the death penalty, a death sentence in this case wouldn’t make me too upset.[/quote]
My prediction is that Holmes will be advised to cop a plea that he was legally insane at the time of the shooting and in the weeks leading up to it. He can’t really go to trial. It’s a huge waste of time and money. There were hundreds of witnesses who saw his hair colored red as “the Joker” and that was exactly the way he was arrested. He even told cops, “I am the Joker.” Even his own mother said that “they got the right person” and she wasn’t even there!
If found legally insane, he will likely end up at a state psychiatric facility, at least for the first year.
What is most troubling to me is that Holmes entered the theatre as an unarmed regular customer and no alarm was set off when Holmes exited the emergency exit to get his body armour and weapons. Had there been, it would have likely alerted theatre security to the door and he would have never made it back in to do the shooting. I think this issue could end up being a cause of action in civil proceedings against the owners of the theatre.[/quote]
Well, it took a little longer than I thought it would so I guess his defense counsel has been shopping for a “cooperative” psychiatrist all these months.
I expect “SD homie” Holmes to be changing his plea in the coming days. Of course, living in the Colorado Psych Hospitals (with “professionals” to talk to) would certainly be preferable to spending one’s life at the state pen at Canon City :=0
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