OT: Texas Succession. Heh heh….

[Coronita]

Only in Texas….

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1891829,00.html?imw=Y

One thing that caught my eye was this statement.

(Most experts say the notion that Texas can legally secede is mistaken, but the state does have the right to split into five states, offering the prospect of 10 U.S. Senators, math that would send cold shivers down any Democratic back.)

Can anyone provide the background as to what would allow Texas to split into 5 states?

[Coronita]

Ah..This stems from the 1845 treaty… (forgot about that part in history…)….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Annexation

“A popular urban legend has grown stating that Texas has a special right to secede from The Union. A thorough reading of all documents for annexation shows that no provision is made for Texas to secede from the United States. [6] Texas has the same rights granted to it as any other state, but also the right to form from its territory 4 states in addition to “Texas”, essentially creating 5 states. [7] Furthermore, in its 1868 decision in Texas v. White, the United States Supreme Court ruled that secession of Texas from the United States was illegal. The court wrote, “The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States.”

[Coronita]

Ah..This stems from the 1845 treaty… (forgot about that part in history…)….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Annexation

“A popular urban legend has grown stating that Texas has a special right to secede from The Union. A thorough reading of all documents for annexation shows that no provision is made for Texas to secede from the United States. [6] Texas has the same rights granted to it as any other state, but also the right to form from its territory 4 states in addition to “Texas”, essentially creating 5 states. [7] Furthermore, in its 1868 decision in Texas v. White, the United States Supreme Court ruled that secession of Texas from the United States was illegal. The court wrote, “The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States.”

[Coronita]

Ah..This stems from the 1845 treaty… (forgot about that part in history…)….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Annexation

“A popular urban legend has grown stating that Texas has a special right to secede from The Union. A thorough reading of all documents for annexation shows that no provision is made for Texas to secede from the United States. [6] Texas has the same rights granted to it as any other state, but also the right to form from its territory 4 states in addition to “Texas”, essentially creating 5 states. [7] Furthermore, in its 1868 decision in Texas v. White, the United States Supreme Court ruled that secession of Texas from the United States was illegal. The court wrote, “The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States.”

[Coronita]

Ah..This stems from the 1845 treaty… (forgot about that part in history…)….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Annexation

“A popular urban legend has grown stating that Texas has a special right to secede from The Union. A thorough reading of all documents for annexation shows that no provision is made for Texas to secede from the United States. [6] Texas has the same rights granted to it as any other state, but also the right to form from its territory 4 states in addition to “Texas”, essentially creating 5 states. [7] Furthermore, in its 1868 decision in Texas v. White, the United States Supreme Court ruled that secession of Texas from the United States was illegal. The court wrote, “The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States.”

[Coronita]

Ah..This stems from the 1845 treaty… (forgot about that part in history…)….

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Annexation

“A popular urban legend has grown stating that Texas has a special right to secede from The Union. A thorough reading of all documents for annexation shows that no provision is made for Texas to secede from the United States. [6] Texas has the same rights granted to it as any other state, but also the right to form from its territory 4 states in addition to “Texas”, essentially creating 5 states. [7] Furthermore, in its 1868 decision in Texas v. White, the United States Supreme Court ruled that secession of Texas from the United States was illegal. The court wrote, “The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States.”

[afx114]

I wonder how Texas would feel if we pulled all of the federal aid they receive. Pull out the border patrol, all federal troops, close down all federal bases, close down the Johnson Space center, stop hurricane relief aid rebuilding efforts, and “build the fence!” between Texas and the rest of the United States. Does Texas think that we’d let any water from the Rio Grande go beyond Las Cruces? Do they have the money and the manpower to enforce the border with Mexico? I hate to break it to them, but a bunch of Minutemen in RVs building chain link fences isn’t going to do the job. Is this really the road that Texas wants to go down?

Nate Silver did an analysis of what the electoral college would look like if Texas succeeded, and the results aren’t pretty for the GOP: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/hey-rick-can-we-talk.html

Could you imagine the outrage if California or Massachusetts had threatened succession under Bush? We wouldn’t have heard the end of it from Rush, Coulter, and DeLay. Treason, terrorists, and gay heathens is what they’d be calling us.

I say let us keep Austin, the rest can go.

[afx114]

I wonder how Texas would feel if we pulled all of the federal aid they receive. Pull out the border patrol, all federal troops, close down all federal bases, close down the Johnson Space center, stop hurricane relief aid rebuilding efforts, and “build the fence!” between Texas and the rest of the United States. Does Texas think that we’d let any water from the Rio Grande go beyond Las Cruces? Do they have the money and the manpower to enforce the border with Mexico? I hate to break it to them, but a bunch of Minutemen in RVs building chain link fences isn’t going to do the job. Is this really the road that Texas wants to go down?

Nate Silver did an analysis of what the electoral college would look like if Texas succeeded, and the results aren’t pretty for the GOP: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/hey-rick-can-we-talk.html

Could you imagine the outrage if California or Massachusetts had threatened succession under Bush? We wouldn’t have heard the end of it from Rush, Coulter, and DeLay. Treason, terrorists, and gay heathens is what they’d be calling us.

I say let us keep Austin, the rest can go.

[afx114]

I wonder how Texas would feel if we pulled all of the federal aid they receive. Pull out the border patrol, all federal troops, close down all federal bases, close down the Johnson Space center, stop hurricane relief aid rebuilding efforts, and “build the fence!” between Texas and the rest of the United States. Does Texas think that we’d let any water from the Rio Grande go beyond Las Cruces? Do they have the money and the manpower to enforce the border with Mexico? I hate to break it to them, but a bunch of Minutemen in RVs building chain link fences isn’t going to do the job. Is this really the road that Texas wants to go down?

Nate Silver did an analysis of what the electoral college would look like if Texas succeeded, and the results aren’t pretty for the GOP: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/hey-rick-can-we-talk.html

Could you imagine the outrage if California or Massachusetts had threatened succession under Bush? We wouldn’t have heard the end of it from Rush, Coulter, and DeLay. Treason, terrorists, and gay heathens is what they’d be calling us.

I say let us keep Austin, the rest can go.

[afx114]

I wonder how Texas would feel if we pulled all of the federal aid they receive. Pull out the border patrol, all federal troops, close down all federal bases, close down the Johnson Space center, stop hurricane relief aid rebuilding efforts, and “build the fence!” between Texas and the rest of the United States. Does Texas think that we’d let any water from the Rio Grande go beyond Las Cruces? Do they have the money and the manpower to enforce the border with Mexico? I hate to break it to them, but a bunch of Minutemen in RVs building chain link fences isn’t going to do the job. Is this really the road that Texas wants to go down?

Nate Silver did an analysis of what the electoral college would look like if Texas succeeded, and the results aren’t pretty for the GOP: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/hey-rick-can-we-talk.html

Could you imagine the outrage if California or Massachusetts had threatened succession under Bush? We wouldn’t have heard the end of it from Rush, Coulter, and DeLay. Treason, terrorists, and gay heathens is what they’d be calling us.

I say let us keep Austin, the rest can go.

[afx114]

I wonder how Texas would feel if we pulled all of the federal aid they receive. Pull out the border patrol, all federal troops, close down all federal bases, close down the Johnson Space center, stop hurricane relief aid rebuilding efforts, and “build the fence!” between Texas and the rest of the United States. Does Texas think that we’d let any water from the Rio Grande go beyond Las Cruces? Do they have the money and the manpower to enforce the border with Mexico? I hate to break it to them, but a bunch of Minutemen in RVs building chain link fences isn’t going to do the job. Is this really the road that Texas wants to go down?

Nate Silver did an analysis of what the electoral college would look like if Texas succeeded, and the results aren’t pretty for the GOP: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/hey-rick-can-we-talk.html

Could you imagine the outrage if California or Massachusetts had threatened succession under Bush? We wouldn’t have heard the end of it from Rush, Coulter, and DeLay. Treason, terrorists, and gay heathens is what they’d be calling us.

I say let us keep Austin, the rest can go.

[Nor-LA-SD-guy]

[quote=afx114]I wonder how Texas would feel if we pulled all of the federal aid they receive. Pull out the border patrol, all federal troops, close down all federal bases, close down the Johnson Space center, stop hurricane relief aid rebuilding efforts, and “build the fence!” between Texas and the rest of the United States. Does Texas think that we’d let any water from the Rio Grande go beyond Las Cruces? Do they have the money and the manpower to enforce the border with Mexico? I hate to break it to them, but a bunch of Minutemen in RVs building chain link fences isn’t going to do the job. Is this really the road that Texas wants to go down?

Nate Silver did an analysis of what the electoral college would look like if Texas succeeded, and the results aren’t pretty for the GOP: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/hey-rick-can-we-talk.html

Could you imagine the outrage if California or Massachusetts had threatened succession under Bush? We wouldn’t have heard the end of it from Rush, Coulter, and DeLay. Treason, terrorists, and gay heathens is what they’d be calling us.

I say let us keep Austin, the rest can go.[/quote]

I have to agree, Well said.

I would add then Califorina would do well to succeed, I got to believe we send far more to the FedGov than we get back.

[Nor-LA-SD-guy]

[quote=afx114]I wonder how Texas would feel if we pulled all of the federal aid they receive. Pull out the border patrol, all federal troops, close down all federal bases, close down the Johnson Space center, stop hurricane relief aid rebuilding efforts, and “build the fence!” between Texas and the rest of the United States. Does Texas think that we’d let any water from the Rio Grande go beyond Las Cruces? Do they have the money and the manpower to enforce the border with Mexico? I hate to break it to them, but a bunch of Minutemen in RVs building chain link fences isn’t going to do the job. Is this really the road that Texas wants to go down?

Nate Silver did an analysis of what the electoral college would look like if Texas succeeded, and the results aren’t pretty for the GOP: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/hey-rick-can-we-talk.html

Could you imagine the outrage if California or Massachusetts had threatened succession under Bush? We wouldn’t have heard the end of it from Rush, Coulter, and DeLay. Treason, terrorists, and gay heathens is what they’d be calling us.

I say let us keep Austin, the rest can go.[/quote]

I have to agree, Well said.

I would add then Califorina would do well to succeed, I got to believe we send far more to the FedGov than we get back.

[Nor-LA-SD-guy]

[quote=afx114]I wonder how Texas would feel if we pulled all of the federal aid they receive. Pull out the border patrol, all federal troops, close down all federal bases, close down the Johnson Space center, stop hurricane relief aid rebuilding efforts, and “build the fence!” between Texas and the rest of the United States. Does Texas think that we’d let any water from the Rio Grande go beyond Las Cruces? Do they have the money and the manpower to enforce the border with Mexico? I hate to break it to them, but a bunch of Minutemen in RVs building chain link fences isn’t going to do the job. Is this really the road that Texas wants to go down?

Nate Silver did an analysis of what the electoral college would look like if Texas succeeded, and the results aren’t pretty for the GOP: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/hey-rick-can-we-talk.html

Could you imagine the outrage if California or Massachusetts had threatened succession under Bush? We wouldn’t have heard the end of it from Rush, Coulter, and DeLay. Treason, terrorists, and gay heathens is what they’d be calling us.

I say let us keep Austin, the rest can go.[/quote]

I have to agree, Well said.

I would add then Califorina would do well to succeed, I got to believe we send far more to the FedGov than we get back.

[Nor-LA-SD-guy]

[quote=afx114]I wonder how Texas would feel if we pulled all of the federal aid they receive. Pull out the border patrol, all federal troops, close down all federal bases, close down the Johnson Space center, stop hurricane relief aid rebuilding efforts, and “build the fence!” between Texas and the rest of the United States. Does Texas think that we’d let any water from the Rio Grande go beyond Las Cruces? Do they have the money and the manpower to enforce the border with Mexico? I hate to break it to them, but a bunch of Minutemen in RVs building chain link fences isn’t going to do the job. Is this really the road that Texas wants to go down?

Nate Silver did an analysis of what the electoral college would look like if Texas succeeded, and the results aren’t pretty for the GOP: http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/04/hey-rick-can-we-talk.html

Could you imagine the outrage if California or Massachusetts had threatened succession under Bush? We wouldn’t have heard the end of it from Rush, Coulter, and DeLay. Treason, terrorists, and gay heathens is what they’d be calling us.

I say let us keep Austin, the rest can go.[/quote]

I have to agree, Well said.

I would add then Califorina would do well to succeed, I got to believe we send far more to the FedGov than we get back.

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