OT: “The End of Men”: Women dominating college/New Jobs, can’t find marriageable prospects

[eavesdropper]

[quote=flu] I think the converse to this, just don’t think that not having a college degree is going to be ok for people these days also. It’s not just about getting a degree, it a lot of time is also important in
1) what you get it in
2) if what you get it in needs a degree.

I don’t think you will find too many un-degreed doctors…And while generally you might find some folks who don’t have degrees in engineering, those are usually the exception than the norm….

I don’t understand a lot of these fly by schools like University of Phoenix, Kaplan Devry,etc. A lot of them are a waste of money imho…

I think you’re oversimplying this and overgeneralizing that college/university is not necessary. It depends on what. If at all, in the right programs/career selections, it opens doors rather than shuts them. And of course, there are just some programs that are just waste of time.[/quote]

flu, I agree with the necessity of a college degree. Indeed, it may not prepare one to do anything but excel at beer pong, but it opens doors. Postgraduate experience is essential (as bearishgurl points out), but people with 10 or 20 years of solid experience can be locked out of even applying for a position (on online HR/application sites) for which they are qualified, because of that lack of a degree. In my humble opinion, that constitutes discrimination (at least in job where the essential tasks are not taught in any college curriculum) because there are still many in this country who cannot afford to finance a college education. But apparently the Feds don’t see it as such, so, as things stand, the college degree is a necessity in most job searches.

As for the “fly-by-night schools” you mention, I agree wholeheartedly, and wish they could be closed down. They target the poor and uneducated, and lure them into signing up for a lot of courses that will not be of help to them, so that the schools can get the tuition money from the Federal government. When the students fail, they (and the taxpayer) are left holding the bag. As you can imagine, it is extremely lucrative to these “institutions of higher learning”. The sad part is that funds for deserving students attending legitimate schools are in rapidly decreasing supply, and taking a big hit from these crooks. I don’t expect anything to change, however, since they tend to be generous contributors to political candidates.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=poorgradstudent]I think on a whole women (especially young women) are a lot more likely to listen to the advice others give them, fall in line, and go for “safe” options. So as a whole women went after more steady and growth industries, while many men kept chasing their dreams. Globalization also has hit men a lot harder than women. Teaching and Nursing, two traditionally female dominated professional fields, can never be outsourced.

Although teen girls still have an achievement gap in math and science, teaching boys is actually a huge issue. Boys are far more likely to have behavioral problems, and started struggling academically as a whole a while ago.[/quote]

I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal. Newspapers, almost without exception, had separate “Help Wanted: Men” and “Help Wanted: Women” sections. The men’s section had listings for accountants, draftsmen, engineers, construction foremen, welders, chemists, architects, and on and on. The women’s section, on the other hand, had listings for clerks, receptionists, secretaries, and waitresses. The only professions that required post-high school education were teachers, nurses, and bookkeepers. Occasionally, you’d see an ad for a female medical technician, but it was rare. Women were pushed into teaching and nursing because they were the only professional positions that a college-educated female could be assured of getting. The men who “chased their dreams” were actually just going after what was considered their due.

For those women who decry the feminists of the late 60s and early 70s, I say they’re the reason we’re able to apply for, and have a good chance of getting, professional jobs in all fields for which we are qualified. Once those barriers were down, women grabbed up those majors in college, and the myth that they did not possess the intelligence or capability to do the classwork was dispelled. Women have flooded those fields formerly dominated by white males because they wanted the intellectual stimulation, professional fulfillment, and monetary rewards of those jobs. As the sociological landscape changed, and divorce became much more commonplace, there were more and more women in the role of single mother, and better pay became a necessity, not simply a luxury.

As for the differences in teaching girls vs. boys, there is evidence of a disparity. However, we are doing a great disservice to male students, and to ourselves as a country, by failing to adjust our instructional methods to meet the needs of both sexes. Part of that adjustment will require a serious change in the attitudes of the parents of those students.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=poorgradstudent]I think on a whole women (especially young women) are a lot more likely to listen to the advice others give them, fall in line, and go for “safe” options. So as a whole women went after more steady and growth industries, while many men kept chasing their dreams. Globalization also has hit men a lot harder than women. Teaching and Nursing, two traditionally female dominated professional fields, can never be outsourced.

Although teen girls still have an achievement gap in math and science, teaching boys is actually a huge issue. Boys are far more likely to have behavioral problems, and started struggling academically as a whole a while ago.[/quote]

I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal. Newspapers, almost without exception, had separate “Help Wanted: Men” and “Help Wanted: Women” sections. The men’s section had listings for accountants, draftsmen, engineers, construction foremen, welders, chemists, architects, and on and on. The women’s section, on the other hand, had listings for clerks, receptionists, secretaries, and waitresses. The only professions that required post-high school education were teachers, nurses, and bookkeepers. Occasionally, you’d see an ad for a female medical technician, but it was rare. Women were pushed into teaching and nursing because they were the only professional positions that a college-educated female could be assured of getting. The men who “chased their dreams” were actually just going after what was considered their due.

For those women who decry the feminists of the late 60s and early 70s, I say they’re the reason we’re able to apply for, and have a good chance of getting, professional jobs in all fields for which we are qualified. Once those barriers were down, women grabbed up those majors in college, and the myth that they did not possess the intelligence or capability to do the classwork was dispelled. Women have flooded those fields formerly dominated by white males because they wanted the intellectual stimulation, professional fulfillment, and monetary rewards of those jobs. As the sociological landscape changed, and divorce became much more commonplace, there were more and more women in the role of single mother, and better pay became a necessity, not simply a luxury.

As for the differences in teaching girls vs. boys, there is evidence of a disparity. However, we are doing a great disservice to male students, and to ourselves as a country, by failing to adjust our instructional methods to meet the needs of both sexes. Part of that adjustment will require a serious change in the attitudes of the parents of those students.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=poorgradstudent]I think on a whole women (especially young women) are a lot more likely to listen to the advice others give them, fall in line, and go for “safe” options. So as a whole women went after more steady and growth industries, while many men kept chasing their dreams. Globalization also has hit men a lot harder than women. Teaching and Nursing, two traditionally female dominated professional fields, can never be outsourced.

Although teen girls still have an achievement gap in math and science, teaching boys is actually a huge issue. Boys are far more likely to have behavioral problems, and started struggling academically as a whole a while ago.[/quote]

I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal. Newspapers, almost without exception, had separate “Help Wanted: Men” and “Help Wanted: Women” sections. The men’s section had listings for accountants, draftsmen, engineers, construction foremen, welders, chemists, architects, and on and on. The women’s section, on the other hand, had listings for clerks, receptionists, secretaries, and waitresses. The only professions that required post-high school education were teachers, nurses, and bookkeepers. Occasionally, you’d see an ad for a female medical technician, but it was rare. Women were pushed into teaching and nursing because they were the only professional positions that a college-educated female could be assured of getting. The men who “chased their dreams” were actually just going after what was considered their due.

For those women who decry the feminists of the late 60s and early 70s, I say they’re the reason we’re able to apply for, and have a good chance of getting, professional jobs in all fields for which we are qualified. Once those barriers were down, women grabbed up those majors in college, and the myth that they did not possess the intelligence or capability to do the classwork was dispelled. Women have flooded those fields formerly dominated by white males because they wanted the intellectual stimulation, professional fulfillment, and monetary rewards of those jobs. As the sociological landscape changed, and divorce became much more commonplace, there were more and more women in the role of single mother, and better pay became a necessity, not simply a luxury.

As for the differences in teaching girls vs. boys, there is evidence of a disparity. However, we are doing a great disservice to male students, and to ourselves as a country, by failing to adjust our instructional methods to meet the needs of both sexes. Part of that adjustment will require a serious change in the attitudes of the parents of those students.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=poorgradstudent]I think on a whole women (especially young women) are a lot more likely to listen to the advice others give them, fall in line, and go for “safe” options. So as a whole women went after more steady and growth industries, while many men kept chasing their dreams. Globalization also has hit men a lot harder than women. Teaching and Nursing, two traditionally female dominated professional fields, can never be outsourced.

Although teen girls still have an achievement gap in math and science, teaching boys is actually a huge issue. Boys are far more likely to have behavioral problems, and started struggling academically as a whole a while ago.[/quote]

I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal. Newspapers, almost without exception, had separate “Help Wanted: Men” and “Help Wanted: Women” sections. The men’s section had listings for accountants, draftsmen, engineers, construction foremen, welders, chemists, architects, and on and on. The women’s section, on the other hand, had listings for clerks, receptionists, secretaries, and waitresses. The only professions that required post-high school education were teachers, nurses, and bookkeepers. Occasionally, you’d see an ad for a female medical technician, but it was rare. Women were pushed into teaching and nursing because they were the only professional positions that a college-educated female could be assured of getting. The men who “chased their dreams” were actually just going after what was considered their due.

For those women who decry the feminists of the late 60s and early 70s, I say they’re the reason we’re able to apply for, and have a good chance of getting, professional jobs in all fields for which we are qualified. Once those barriers were down, women grabbed up those majors in college, and the myth that they did not possess the intelligence or capability to do the classwork was dispelled. Women have flooded those fields formerly dominated by white males because they wanted the intellectual stimulation, professional fulfillment, and monetary rewards of those jobs. As the sociological landscape changed, and divorce became much more commonplace, there were more and more women in the role of single mother, and better pay became a necessity, not simply a luxury.

As for the differences in teaching girls vs. boys, there is evidence of a disparity. However, we are doing a great disservice to male students, and to ourselves as a country, by failing to adjust our instructional methods to meet the needs of both sexes. Part of that adjustment will require a serious change in the attitudes of the parents of those students.

[eavesdropper]

[quote=poorgradstudent]I think on a whole women (especially young women) are a lot more likely to listen to the advice others give them, fall in line, and go for “safe” options. So as a whole women went after more steady and growth industries, while many men kept chasing their dreams. Globalization also has hit men a lot harder than women. Teaching and Nursing, two traditionally female dominated professional fields, can never be outsourced.

Although teen girls still have an achievement gap in math and science, teaching boys is actually a huge issue. Boys are far more likely to have behavioral problems, and started struggling academically as a whole a while ago.[/quote]

I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal. Newspapers, almost without exception, had separate “Help Wanted: Men” and “Help Wanted: Women” sections. The men’s section had listings for accountants, draftsmen, engineers, construction foremen, welders, chemists, architects, and on and on. The women’s section, on the other hand, had listings for clerks, receptionists, secretaries, and waitresses. The only professions that required post-high school education were teachers, nurses, and bookkeepers. Occasionally, you’d see an ad for a female medical technician, but it was rare. Women were pushed into teaching and nursing because they were the only professional positions that a college-educated female could be assured of getting. The men who “chased their dreams” were actually just going after what was considered their due.

For those women who decry the feminists of the late 60s and early 70s, I say they’re the reason we’re able to apply for, and have a good chance of getting, professional jobs in all fields for which we are qualified. Once those barriers were down, women grabbed up those majors in college, and the myth that they did not possess the intelligence or capability to do the classwork was dispelled. Women have flooded those fields formerly dominated by white males because they wanted the intellectual stimulation, professional fulfillment, and monetary rewards of those jobs. As the sociological landscape changed, and divorce became much more commonplace, there were more and more women in the role of single mother, and better pay became a necessity, not simply a luxury.

As for the differences in teaching girls vs. boys, there is evidence of a disparity. However, we are doing a great disservice to male students, and to ourselves as a country, by failing to adjust our instructional methods to meet the needs of both sexes. Part of that adjustment will require a serious change in the attitudes of the parents of those students.

[Zeitgeist]

It is not popular, but separate classes for girls and boys is one suggestion. I also think the food we eat contributes to children’s dispositions. The crap sugar and hormone over loaded, fat choked fast food diet is not healthy. Boys are totally over diagnosed as ADD and medicated. Women dominate elementary teaching and they prefer tractable kids (girls) or boys who act like girls. Lastly, teachers are not allowed to discipline kids, so medication is recommended where teachers of old would actually lay hands on bratty boys. The whole idea that the sexes are the same is idiotic. They are not. Their brains are different and so are they. It is a DNA thing. That does not make one better than the other, but ask anyone who has one or two of each if they are the same. The same idea that brought equal pay for equal work (a good thing), brought the idea that equal means the sexes are the same and learn the same way (not a good thing). Teaching needs to change or it will go the same way as the print media and children will be taught by distance learning and maybe not by teachers. Many of the schools are failing to deliver despite massive amounts of tax dollars invested in them and the instituions of higher learning are almost unaffordable for many segments of society. Something has to change.

[Zeitgeist]

It is not popular, but separate classes for girls and boys is one suggestion. I also think the food we eat contributes to children’s dispositions. The crap sugar and hormone over loaded, fat choked fast food diet is not healthy. Boys are totally over diagnosed as ADD and medicated. Women dominate elementary teaching and they prefer tractable kids (girls) or boys who act like girls. Lastly, teachers are not allowed to discipline kids, so medication is recommended where teachers of old would actually lay hands on bratty boys. The whole idea that the sexes are the same is idiotic. They are not. Their brains are different and so are they. It is a DNA thing. That does not make one better than the other, but ask anyone who has one or two of each if they are the same. The same idea that brought equal pay for equal work (a good thing), brought the idea that equal means the sexes are the same and learn the same way (not a good thing). Teaching needs to change or it will go the same way as the print media and children will be taught by distance learning and maybe not by teachers. Many of the schools are failing to deliver despite massive amounts of tax dollars invested in them and the instituions of higher learning are almost unaffordable for many segments of society. Something has to change.

[Zeitgeist]

It is not popular, but separate classes for girls and boys is one suggestion. I also think the food we eat contributes to children’s dispositions. The crap sugar and hormone over loaded, fat choked fast food diet is not healthy. Boys are totally over diagnosed as ADD and medicated. Women dominate elementary teaching and they prefer tractable kids (girls) or boys who act like girls. Lastly, teachers are not allowed to discipline kids, so medication is recommended where teachers of old would actually lay hands on bratty boys. The whole idea that the sexes are the same is idiotic. They are not. Their brains are different and so are they. It is a DNA thing. That does not make one better than the other, but ask anyone who has one or two of each if they are the same. The same idea that brought equal pay for equal work (a good thing), brought the idea that equal means the sexes are the same and learn the same way (not a good thing). Teaching needs to change or it will go the same way as the print media and children will be taught by distance learning and maybe not by teachers. Many of the schools are failing to deliver despite massive amounts of tax dollars invested in them and the instituions of higher learning are almost unaffordable for many segments of society. Something has to change.

[Zeitgeist]

It is not popular, but separate classes for girls and boys is one suggestion. I also think the food we eat contributes to children’s dispositions. The crap sugar and hormone over loaded, fat choked fast food diet is not healthy. Boys are totally over diagnosed as ADD and medicated. Women dominate elementary teaching and they prefer tractable kids (girls) or boys who act like girls. Lastly, teachers are not allowed to discipline kids, so medication is recommended where teachers of old would actually lay hands on bratty boys. The whole idea that the sexes are the same is idiotic. They are not. Their brains are different and so are they. It is a DNA thing. That does not make one better than the other, but ask anyone who has one or two of each if they are the same. The same idea that brought equal pay for equal work (a good thing), brought the idea that equal means the sexes are the same and learn the same way (not a good thing). Teaching needs to change or it will go the same way as the print media and children will be taught by distance learning and maybe not by teachers. Many of the schools are failing to deliver despite massive amounts of tax dollars invested in them and the instituions of higher learning are almost unaffordable for many segments of society. Something has to change.

[Zeitgeist]

It is not popular, but separate classes for girls and boys is one suggestion. I also think the food we eat contributes to children’s dispositions. The crap sugar and hormone over loaded, fat choked fast food diet is not healthy. Boys are totally over diagnosed as ADD and medicated. Women dominate elementary teaching and they prefer tractable kids (girls) or boys who act like girls. Lastly, teachers are not allowed to discipline kids, so medication is recommended where teachers of old would actually lay hands on bratty boys. The whole idea that the sexes are the same is idiotic. They are not. Their brains are different and so are they. It is a DNA thing. That does not make one better than the other, but ask anyone who has one or two of each if they are the same. The same idea that brought equal pay for equal work (a good thing), brought the idea that equal means the sexes are the same and learn the same way (not a good thing). Teaching needs to change or it will go the same way as the print media and children will be taught by distance learning and maybe not by teachers. Many of the schools are failing to deliver despite massive amounts of tax dollars invested in them and the instituions of higher learning are almost unaffordable for many segments of society. Something has to change.

[poorgradstudent]

[quote=eavesdropper]I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal…[/quote]
True, although bear in mind that people who were entering the workforce in the early 70s are now in their 60s and rapidly approaching retirement. Obviously there were attitudes that carried down from parents, but no one under 40 today was even alive in 1969 and no one under 50 was past grade school.

I’m kind of a fan of gender segregated classrooms. My knowledge of the research is that both boys and girls learn math better in a gender segregated environment.

[poorgradstudent]

[quote=eavesdropper]I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal…[/quote]
True, although bear in mind that people who were entering the workforce in the early 70s are now in their 60s and rapidly approaching retirement. Obviously there were attitudes that carried down from parents, but no one under 40 today was even alive in 1969 and no one under 50 was past grade school.

I’m kind of a fan of gender segregated classrooms. My knowledge of the research is that both boys and girls learn math better in a gender segregated environment.

[poorgradstudent]

[quote=eavesdropper]I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal…[/quote]
True, although bear in mind that people who were entering the workforce in the early 70s are now in their 60s and rapidly approaching retirement. Obviously there were attitudes that carried down from parents, but no one under 40 today was even alive in 1969 and no one under 50 was past grade school.

I’m kind of a fan of gender segregated classrooms. My knowledge of the research is that both boys and girls learn math better in a gender segregated environment.

[poorgradstudent]

[quote=eavesdropper]I’d say that sociological pressures are the more likely reason for the female domination of teaching and nursing. Up until the early 70s, discrimination based on sex was common and absolutely legal…[/quote]
True, although bear in mind that people who were entering the workforce in the early 70s are now in their 60s and rapidly approaching retirement. Obviously there were attitudes that carried down from parents, but no one under 40 today was even alive in 1969 and no one under 50 was past grade school.

I’m kind of a fan of gender segregated classrooms. My knowledge of the research is that both boys and girls learn math better in a gender segregated environment.

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