ot: prostitution

[scaredyclassic]

But that’s why marriage exists. To bind people together during years they don’t like each other.

I really wouldve thought sex robots wouldve been further along by now.

[fat_lazy_union]

[quote=squat250]But that’s why marriage exists. To bind people together during years they don’t like each other.

I really wouldve thought sex robots wouldve been further along by now.[/quote]

I don’t know. have kids?

davelj…

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This is slightly off-topic, but related. My understanding is that if one spouse comes from parents who divorced, the couple is twice as likely to divorce than if both spouses came from in-tact households. So, one could argue that parenting (and remaining married) impacts divorce statistics. But… how do we know that these people staying married are any happier than those that got divorced? Maybe they’re just staying together because of “parenting” and the notion that they’re “supposed” to stay together.
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davelj, you’re really thinking that I have some moral opinion that folks should be in a marriage or that life has only meaning of one gets married. Or that not being married is a bad thing. This has nothing to do with marriage. Marriage probably isn’t for everyone…And not everyone probably wants to have a 1-1 relationship with anyone for a long time..

It has everything to do with mispresenting what you say you are and when you aren’t. If you’re not the type that wants a long term relationship or what have you. Great. It works out well for a lot of people and there’s plenty of women AND men that want that… There’s plenty of men/women that want the other thing too.. Just don’t cross the lines, and don’t be a shithead because there’s plenty fish playing in both sides of the ponds…And don’t be an ass and and use someone’s feelings as a scoreboard, which is what neeta’s response came across as.

The again, I guess re-reading it…If he pays for it and the women knows what they want and are getting it…Well, ok then fine by me…You know what, I don’t care….This is a such a stupid thread….You know what, just forget it… Never mind. I recall everything I posted about this subject.. I’m stupid talking about this….

Because people are people. Whatever….

[scaredyclassic]

Did I ever tell you about the time I found a hat by the side of the road that said “masturbating is not a crime”.

I definitely think masturbation should remain legal.

[fat_lazy_union]

[quote=squat250]Did I ever tell you about the time I found a hat by the side of the road that said “masturbating is not a crime”.

I definitely think masturbation should remain legal.[/quote]

It’s not? Oops

[davelj]

[quote=Dr. Paul][quote=squat250]But that’s why marriage exists. To bind people together during years they don’t like each other.

I really wouldve thought sex robots wouldve been further along by now.[/quote]

I don’t know. have kids?

davelj…

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I don’t know. I don’t know a lot about the history of marriage although there are some interesting theories on why polygny died out in certain parts of the world.

But I’d imagine kids is the best answer. Raising kids is undeniably easier with two folks involved (unless they’ve grown to truly dislike each other, that is). And the presence of kids certainly makes it much harder to leave a marriage if things aren’t going well otherwise.

[Anonymous]

[quote=davelj]You use the word “definitely” and I’m not sure where your proof lies. This might be the case. And it might not. Frankly, I would like to think that it is. I just haven’t seen much evidence of it.[/quote]

You’re say you’re not sure there is evidence of correlation between parenting and a woman’s choices in relationships…

…on a thread about prostitution?

Let’s take a trip to the Bunny Ranch and chat with some of the gals. If you can find one girl who had a father even half as committed as flu, I’ll buy you an hour with her.

[davelj]

[quote=harvey][quote=davelj]You use the word “definitely” and I’m not sure where your proof lies. This might be the case. And it might not. Frankly, I would like to think that it is. I just haven’t seen much evidence of it.[/quote]

You’re say you’re not sure there is evidence of correlation between parenting and a woman’s choices in relationships…

…on a thread about prostitution?

Let’s take a trip to the Bunny Ranch and chat with some of the gals. If you can find one girl who had a father even half as committed as flu, I’ll buy you an hour with her.[/quote]

I’m not sure that prostitution is more about socioeconomic background than anything else. (Although one could argue that not having a father around can lead to a bad socioeconomic situation… and then we’d be getting into issues of correlation versus causation.)

Allow me to make a crass comparison to raise a point.

Profile 1: Upper-middle class wife (whose parents remained married) who remains married to her husband (and the father of her children) – whom she doesn’t really like much anymore – only “to keep the family together” and maintain material comforts.

Profile 2: Woman from lower socioeconomic stratum (whose parents divorced) who has sex with men in exchange for the money she needs to live and take care of her kids.

What’s the difference, really? They’re both having sex with men they don’t love to maintain a standard of living for them and their kids. The first is legal; the second one’s not.

I’m just sayin’…

(I’ll pass on the Bunny Ranch but I appreciate the offer.)

[Anonymous]

[quote=davelj]What’s the difference, really? [/quote]

Well, I’m sure there’s probably a lot more sex in profile #2.

But kidding aside, there’s some big holes in your example:

Woman #1 did love her husband once, enough to marry him and have children, even if the flame has gone out and they no longer “love” each other, there is still common goal of caring for the children.

Keeping the family together means a little more than just scraping up enough money to pay the grocery bills. If the relationship is still civil it could be much better for the kids well-being if the parents stay together. The “weekend dad” thing has its own host of problems.

Even though both women have “practical” motives, you really can’t compare a relationship between two people that once cared enough about each other to have a family together – even if they’ve grown apart – vs. hundreds of impersonal “relationships” that last less than an hour and are purely for the money.

[davelj]

[quote=harvey][quote=davelj]What’s the difference, really? [/quote]

Well, I’m sure there’s probably a lot more sex in profile #2.

But kidding aside, there’s some big holes in your example:

Woman #1 did love her husband once, enough to marry him and have children, even if the flame has gone out and they no longer “love” each other, there is still common goal of caring for the children.

Keeping the family together means a little more than just scraping up enough money to pay the grocery bills. If the relationship is still civil it could be much better for the kids well-being if the parents stay together. The “weekend dad” thing has its own host of problems.

Even though both women have “practical” motives, you really can’t compare a relationship between two people that once cared enough about each other to have a family together – even if they’ve grown apart – vs. hundreds of impersonal “relationships” that last less than an hour and are purely for the money.[/quote]

I can and did compare them. I agree with you that there are differences… just not as much as would appear on the surface.

My larger point is that we’re (almost) all “prostitutes” in the larger sense of the word. That is, 99% of us do (certain) things that we’d prefer not to do in exchange for “resources”. Prostitutes, business people, etc. etc… there’s always some aspect of exchanging labor we’d rather not do for resource. We all lie along a spectrum… and the positional difference between Profile 1 and 2 above isn’t that enormous in my book.

Personally, one of the main reasons that I work for myself is that I like to minimize the prostitution factor in my everyday life – but even in my situation it can’t be eliminated entirely.

[Coronita]

I just find it kinda sad that some women have to resort to this just for money…..Actually, I find it sad a lot of people have to do a lot of things just for money. I find it equally sad that a woman would have to enter a marriage because of the need for “stability” and not because of love. I find it equally sad a woman has to prostitute herself to survive. I don’t think in either cases is really better than the other…I mean, I guess I feel sorry for the for those were were shit out of luck…Then again I probably don’t feel as sorry for those that had it and lost it on their own.

I find it equally sad that some men in a fvcked up relationship in which the woman doesn’t love him, but only wants what he has/can provide. Especially some men from society who doesn’t fit the image that being the stereotype “provider”. I find it sad some of these men end up getting stuck into a relationship in which the woman is unreasonably demanding and stuck in a relationship in which the women makes the man completely miserable. I find it sad some woman in a divorce use a child as shield to guarantee her finance stability.

But than again, I’m luckier a lot of other people. (In some regards not as lucky). So I’m not going to say anything beyond that….

This is kinda why I said what I said about raising a girl. You’re right. I have no 100% answer and guarantee in life. But actually, if I can’t give her a decent background, can give her a good seed so she doesn’t have to worry about things about money, or if she grows up with a serious self-esteem issue, it just increases the odds of that much more of someone else taking advantage of her or for her putting herself into that situation…If she grows up to be some major sex fiend because that’s what she want. Ok, that’s something else. But at least it was her choice.
Same would be sad if I had a son… That’s why I think folks I know value money/career so much… Materialism aside, it’s a bigger ticket to having freedom from “having” to something.

You’re example of Hilary I find interesting. Because frankly, Hilary is a perfect example of what happens when a women doesn’t have self-esteem issue. If she’s wronged, she doesn’t just sit there and weep. She fights back and makes you pay…That’s exactly what people should do..She might have a pussy, but she sure doesn’t act like one.

[Anonymous]

Perhaps a more precise way to say it would be that you can’t “equate” them. Which you tried to do but didn’t make a compelling case.

Your model for “Profile 1” one is absurdly oversimplified. When people have children that they both care for and want to raise, it introduces a whole new set of major constraints.

The “we are all prostitutes” generalization is trite. Superficially it sorta makes sense but it’s pretty shallow and intellectually lazy.

A key word when discussing prostitution is “dignity” – sure it’s a subjective word, but it does have meaning and it does have value.

Although some jobs and roles in life have less dignity than others, it is universally accepted that prostitution is at the bottom of the scale – low enough that no one should have to do it simply because they have no alternative. We all do things we don’t like to make a living, but there is an ethical threshold that society must recognize. I don’t know exactly where the line is, but I know prostitution is on the other side of it. It certainly is not just another job.

We should not outlaw prostitution or condemn prostitutes, but we should strive for a world where nobody has to be a prostitute unless it is truly what they want to be.

Because being a prostitute is a helluva lot different than being a consultant, or a dishwasher, or a woman in a marriage that has grown apart after a decade or so.

[an]

[quote=harvey]Because being a prostitute is a helluva lot different than being a consultant, or a dishwasher, or a woman in a marriage that has grown apart after a decade or so.[/quote]
But they’re also hella similar to women in porn, women who are addicted to sex and have lots of one night stands, women who are cougars, women who are single and do one night stand, and women who are swingers. All of these women gets to do what they want without being prosecuted while sex workers does not have the same luxury.

[scaredyclassic]

I’m reminded of the Norm McDonald SNL News parody on the best and worst jobs in America annual list. “And the worst job in the United States is….Crack Whore.”

The following year it was, “And this year we have a new worst job in America……Assistant Crack Whore.”

[scaredyclassic]

the whole idea that we marry for love is very very new.

the history is sketched out in the appendix of that comic book.

love and sex might be separate things.

we might just ahve a particular modern sensibility because we live here and now…

[moneymaker]

A lot of people equate sex with money, in fact it’s real easy to do. I think most “providers” here would feel threatened if someone else was giving there significant other money(goods). So next time you think about “cheating” on your significant other, think how you would feel if someone else was providing for your significant other. Love, now that would be a whole nother topic. Now if single people want to pay for it, then I think that is fine between 2 consenting adults, just remember there is no cure for viral disease yet. It’s coming though, I feel it, pun intended.

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