OT: Predictions for 2016 Presidential Election

[utcsox]

[quote=dumbrenter][quote=poorgradstudent][quote=livinincali]
Somebody can’t create an import export company that buys drugs for fractions of the price in India and then opens a pharmacy here.
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Thank god. As much as people like to take their lives into their own hands buying drugs in Mexico, the simple fact is many countries don’t have the same rigorous chain of custody requirements for drug products the US has. For something in a pressed pill format (i.e. viagara) this is less of an issue than for things like IV drugs that have requirements for storage.

Even for pills chain of custody is important to ensure you’re getting what you think you’re getting. Bear in mind that something like half of imported olive oil is fake. If your “olive oil” is actually a cheaper oil… no big deal, right? But if your medicine isn’t what it’s supposed to be? That’s a huge issue.[/quote]

Ha! you trust your life with corrupt as hell FDA but not drugs from Mexico?
Are you sure there are stringent requirements or even if they are ‘rigorous’ here compared to other countries?

Do you have proof by any measure of how safe drugs are here compared to EU or even Mexico?
It is exactly this liberal daddy-knows-better attitude or our FDA looks out for our bests interests that piss the voters off.
FDA works for their pharma customers, not you the american.[/quote]

Haha, but you miss the point that FDA is inherently an unconstitutional organization. So in addition to the IRS, the Department of Commerce, the Department of Energy, the Department of Education and HUD, future Republican presidential candidates shall include FDA as an organization that shall be eliminated. The benefit is not only it will reduce the federal spending but it will give American people the freedom to choose whatever medical options that are available in the market. By deregulate this market, it will spur the innovation and drive down the medical cost and insurance premium. 🙂

[bearishgurl]

Many of the same issues in this year’s general election were on the front burner in the general election of 36 years ago. Watch this moving concession speech at the DNC by Ted Kennedy (~5 mins) where he lost the nomination to President Carter (who ended up losing his 2nd term bid for the White House to Reagan):

Whatever really happened that night at Chappaquiddick that he was never quite able to live down, it is clear from this speech that Ted Kennedy truly did love his country. May he (and Mary Jo Kopechne) R.I.P.

[bearishgurl]

Just an FYI, folks, there is now 3.5 days left to register (or re-register) to vote for the CA primaries. The deadline is Monday, May 23 at 11:59 pm. You can do it online and get a confirmation number.

http://www.ca.gov/Agencies/Secretary-of-State/Agency-Services/Register-to-Vote

I’m not sure there is still time to process registrations for mail-in voters but there is certainly time to process them for walk-in voters.

[FlyerInHi]

As I expected, the Latino vote (urban vote generally) won California for Clinton. That’s how she will win in November.

I believe that the Latino vote is now so important that if you don’t watch Univision, you’re really missing out on what’s happening. Spanish language TV is as relevant as Fox and right wing talk radio on the Republican side.

[SK in CV]

[quote=FlyerInHi]As I expected, the Latino vote (urban vote generally) won California for Clinton. That’s how she will win in November.

I believe that the Latino vote is now so important that if you don’t watch Univision, you’re really missing out on what’s happening. Spanish language TV is as relevant as Fox and right wing talk radio on the Republican side.[/quote]

Do you have a link to exit polls indicating she wont Hispanic vote by a significantly different margin than her 13% margin in total? Most recent polls showed her winning the latino/Hispanic vote by a similar margin to other voters, and not a single one had a 13% margin among latino/Hispanic voters.

[FlyerInHi]

I just looked at the map of urban vs rural counties.
Clinton won where the population is more diverse, so I’m assuming Latinos, and other minorities. My intuitive tells me Latinos prefer la secretaria Clinton. Granted, Sanders has made a lot of progress, especially with native born Latinos.

The polls were wrong. The race was not a tie. I was pretty confident Clinton would win california.

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=FlyerInHi]I just looked at the map of urban vs rural counties.
Clinton won where the population is more diverse, so I’m assuming Latinos, and other minorities. My intuitive tells me Latinos prefer la secretaria Clinton. Granted, Sanders has made a lot of progress, especially with native born Latinos.

The polls were wrong. The race was not a tie. I was pretty confident Clinton would win california.[/quote]

What is amazing is that Hillary won San Francisco county (55-43%), Santa Clara county (60%-30%), San Mateo (61%-38%), Alameda county (54%-46%), Contra Costa county (60-40), Solano County (57%-43%), Napa County (60-40), Sonoma County (51-49) & Marin County (51-47)

I thought the above counties were the epicenter of Bernie Voters. Hillary winning them by such margins makes me think that in reality there are a lot fewer Bernie voters than what you would expect by browsing on the internet, twitter, reddit etc. Otherwise I am at loss to explain this result!

[joec]

[quote=enron_by_the_sea][quote=FlyerInHi]I just looked at the map of urban vs rural counties.
Clinton won where the population is more diverse, so I’m assuming Latinos, and other minorities. My intuitive tells me Latinos prefer la secretaria Clinton. Granted, Sanders has made a lot of progress, especially with native born Latinos.

The polls were wrong. The race was not a tie. I was pretty confident Clinton would win california.[/quote]

What is amazing is that Hillary won San Francisco county (55-43%), Santa Clara county (60%-30%), San Mateo (61%-38%), Alameda county (54%-46%), Contra Costa county (60-40), Solano County (57%-43%), Napa County (60-40), Sonoma County (51-49) & Marin County (51-47)

I thought the above counties were the epicenter of Bernie Voters. Hillary winning them by such margins makes me think that in reality there are a lot fewer Bernie voters than what you would expect by browsing on the internet, twitter, reddit etc. Otherwise I am at loss to explain this result![/quote]

All those counties look generally wealthy. I think Bernie loss those areas since those areas see higher taxes for them being the 10 to the ultra 1%. Free college, healthcare, etc etc etc…all those areas see that they are going to be paying for it so no go Bernie.

Bernie mostly gets the college town/young vote and those could be clustered and much much smaller than the 2 person married household.

Marin? SF? San Mateo?? Santa Clara? These are all ultra or at least, upper wealthy incomes with homes all in the 1 mil+ areas or much much more (esp Marin).

All the other areas have also increased in value tremendously so I don’t see why you would even THINK Bernie would have support in those areas.

[enron_by_the_sea]

[quote=joec][q I don’t see why you would even THINK Bernie would have support in those areas.[/quote]

This area is considered to be the epicenter of progressive & green politics in the US which Bernie wanted to be the champion of. Isn’t it?

[temeculaguy]

[quote=scaredyclassic]

Olive oil is medicine.

May I recommend tememecula olive oil company oil? Avail online. Grown in aguanga. I’ve seen the operation. It’s the real stuff. Fresh. Date stamped on. I trust them.
Downside. Expensive. 20 bucks for 375ml.
https://www.temeculaoliveoil.com/#

I use it anyway…to me it’s worth it. Cheaper than big pharma meds.

Fresh olive oil tastes radically different than generic supermkt oil, like Miller lite v. Pliny the elder[/quote]

Pliny the Elder!!! Scaredy you are now a true Temeculan. First off, only a true beer aficionado would even know that is a beer, hats off to you. Secondly, the brewer of that beer is Vinnie Cilurzo, a Temecula boy who is the son of one of the the founders of Temecula’s wine country along with Eli Callaway. I met the younger vinnie in the early 1990’s when he started Bling Pig brewery and they only sold in growlers, I was a regular customer and I think he ran it himself. Fast forward 20+ years, the guy gets married and moves up North and people stand in line for hours just to get one of his beers. His wife is from Julian but went to Sonoma state and after they got married they moved to Sonoma. I only say this because my No Cal relatives worship that brewery and Pliny. I enjoyed breaking the news that their king and queen are a boy from Temecula and a girl from Julian who you could buy beer from and drink with here in town in the mid 1990’s and be the only person in the tasting room. Drank with his dad on more than one occasion, dude was a legend locally, Engineer turned winemaker, sad day when Vincenzo Sr. passed.

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Try some Pliny the Younger, although getting the new iphone on release day is probably easier. Rumor has it one of his Temecula friends who owns a liquor store gets a secret supply but no confirmation on that rumor.

http://www.sfgate.com/food/article/Overflow-crowd-of-beer-lovers-awaits-Pliny-the-5214552.php

last bit of trivia, Bling Pig was code in old town temecula during prohibition for beer at certain establishments, I like that he still has a beer called blind pig. Logo is the same too.

http://russianriverbrewing.com/brews/blind-pig-ipa/

For those of you who don’t drink, my apologies. For those that enjoy life and for Scardey who’s home is now sacred ground because the inventor of double IPA grew up probably riding his bike by Scardey’s home, I give you wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_River_Brewing_Company

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India_pale_ale#UnitedStates

“Double IPAs (also referred to as Imperial IPAs) are a stronger, very hoppy variant of IPAs that typically have alcohol content above 7.5% by volume.[27] The style is claimed to have originated with Vinnie Cilurzo, currently the owner of Russian River Brewing Company in Santa Rosa, California, in 1994 at the now-defunct Blind Pig Brewery in Temecula, California.[d] The style has been embraced by the craft brewers of San Diego County, California, to such an extent that double IPAs have been referred to as “San Diego pale ale”.[28][29]”

So there you have it San Diego, turn your nose up at us in the exurbs no more. You would not have a brewing identity if it weren’t for Temecula. Temecula, birthplace of the double IPA, I like how that sounds.

[temeculaguy]

One more edit since people here love deals. An empty Pliny the elder bottle sells on ebay sometimes for more that you’d pay for a full bottle from the store that you would have to wait in line for. If I ever become a hobo, that is my business model in order to drink for free, live in santa rosa, sleep in pliny lines and sell the empties for more than I paid for fulls.Another side, a few years ago there was a rumor that Stone in Esco was getting a keg of Pliny the Younger. Two of my employees took the day off to wait in line all day for one glass. It’s like comicon but if comicon only sold 100 tickets a year.

[svelte]

This is an amazing election…read this article!

https://www.yahoo.com/news/talk-grows-replacing-trump-convention-000000790.html

“I want to support the nominee of the party, but I think the party ought to change the nominee. Because we’re going to get killed with this nominee,” Hugh Hewitt, a nationally syndicated conservative radio talk show host, said. “They ought to get together and let the convention decide. And if Donald Trump pulls over a makeover in the next four to five weeks, great, they can keep him.”

The Republican powers-that-be still think they should overrule the vote of the people! They think pulling the carpet out from under Trump at the convention is a perfectly valid thing to do!

There has never been clearer evidence that the Republican party thinks their members are just puppets that they can control and overrule on a whim.

Unbelievable the stuff that this election season is uncovering.

[FlyerInHi]

The Republican Party was built on an unnatural alliance of urban economic elites and rural social conservatives, with subliminal racism, plenty of other isms and homophobia built in. That cannot last, especially given the fact that conservatism has delivered high mortality rates, divorce rates and drug abuse to very red states like Oklahoma.

[livinincali]

[quote=FlyerInHi]That cannot last, especially given the fact that conservatism has delivered high mortality rates, divorce rates and drug abuse to very red states like Oklahoma.[/quote]

That cannot last, especially given the fact that liberalism has delivered high mortality rates, divorce rates and drug abuse to very blue cities like Chicago.

Good point.

[FlyerInHi]

Livin’, we shall see.

The drug abuse and family problems first experienced in the cities were due to changing social norms, the sexual revolution, etc. nothing to do with liberalism or conservatism for that matter. There should have been proper policy reaponses rather than a punitive war on drugs and a retreat to social conservatism as answers.

Now, cities are coming back and the rural areas are decaying. We see that bifurcation in real estate values. Rural areas are just a few decades behind in social changes.

I was making a facetious point about conservatism delivering ills. The truth is that insistence on moral conservatism while doing nothing resulted in the problems that Oklahoma is seeing. They are so worried now that the state is using welfare funds to try to keep middle-class marriages together. I was under the impression that good morals were enough for perfect family life.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/moneybox/2016/06/_welfare_money_often_isn_t_spent_on_welfare.html

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