OT- More Government Control

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[quote=Allan from Fallbrook][quote=sdgrrl]Zeitgeist,

It has been a bi-partisan effort, including Clinton (NSA Carnivore/Echelon programs, rendition, expansion of domestic surveillance programs) and, obviously, Bush (Patriot Acts I and II, warrantless wiretapping, extraordinary rendition). Just for shits and giggles, research how many cameras there are in New York City monitoring your movements.

This isn’t paranoia or the “Loony Left” or a “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy”. Most of this has been done in the guise of protecting Americans, but the reality is an ever more intrusive government with ever expanding powers and the ability to oversee nearly all aspects of our lives, including access to health and financial records.

I don’t think the jump to Nazism is quite as big as you imagine, unfortunately. As Sinclair Lewis said in his 1935 novel “It Can’t Happen Here”: “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross”.

Obama has invoked Jesus far more than Bush. True story, look it up.[/quote]

Good points Allan, though I don’t agree with all your words. Obama may have invoked Jesus’s name more than Bush’s; I really don’t know, but wow you just made me realize that the religious discourse in this country has quieted-and I like it. I’m going to enjoy my short time without Ralph Reed, Dobson and Perkins filling the airwaves with their hypocritical and hateful bs. I say short time because they are not gone forever in all likelihood with that pesky notion of democracy.

I don’t care if Obama has invoked Jesus’s name more- it’s what he’s done or not done with it that I care about.

Wow its true i just thought about it again; its nice not having a bunch of evangelist in the White House right now. We actually get to think about our huge problems and not hide behind the hope that we are simply the chosen ones and that Jesus will save us and show us the way as we look into his eyes and see into his soul, Sorry, I couldn’t resist.

Is the world getting creepier with our privacy being impinged more? Sure. I don’t know what we can do about it aside from use our democratic government to elect leaders who would step by step dismantle such intrusive programs. I don’t think its loony to think our civil liberties are becoming more infringed upon.

I think its loony to call Obama a Nazi, because if Texas experienced a severe disaster Obama would be there in a heart beat. If he were really a Nazi- he would just let it sink, save all the Hispanics and relocate them to red states and enjoy the electoral vote upswing. Seriously. That’s what a bunch of damn Nazi’s would do. Then when people became outraged- he’d just shoot them. Take their homes, money and turn their skin into lamps. Yep, he’s not a Nazi.

[sdgrrl]

[quote=flu]…or perhaps legislate what you should buy??? Hmmmm. I won’t go there…..

—–Some humor, in good fun of course.

Q. Who should be listed as the most expensive dependent on your tax return?
A. President Obama.

Q. What will the difference be between President Obama and Karl Marx?
A. Karl Marx had way more experience.

Q. Why doesn’t Obama pray?
A. It’s impossible to read the teleprompter with your eyes closed

Q. Why won’t Barack Obama’s presidential jet be flight worthy?
A. It will only have a left wing.[/quote]

Flu, a couple of these are pretty damn funny I have to say.

[sdgrrl]

[quote=flu]…or perhaps legislate what you should buy??? Hmmmm. I won’t go there…..

—–Some humor, in good fun of course.

Q. Who should be listed as the most expensive dependent on your tax return?
A. President Obama.

Q. What will the difference be between President Obama and Karl Marx?
A. Karl Marx had way more experience.

Q. Why doesn’t Obama pray?
A. It’s impossible to read the teleprompter with your eyes closed

Q. Why won’t Barack Obama’s presidential jet be flight worthy?
A. It will only have a left wing.[/quote]

Flu, a couple of these are pretty damn funny I have to say.

[sdgrrl]

[quote=flu]…or perhaps legislate what you should buy??? Hmmmm. I won’t go there…..

—–Some humor, in good fun of course.

Q. Who should be listed as the most expensive dependent on your tax return?
A. President Obama.

Q. What will the difference be between President Obama and Karl Marx?
A. Karl Marx had way more experience.

Q. Why doesn’t Obama pray?
A. It’s impossible to read the teleprompter with your eyes closed

Q. Why won’t Barack Obama’s presidential jet be flight worthy?
A. It will only have a left wing.[/quote]

Flu, a couple of these are pretty damn funny I have to say.

[sdgrrl]

[quote=flu]…or perhaps legislate what you should buy??? Hmmmm. I won’t go there…..

—–Some humor, in good fun of course.

Q. Who should be listed as the most expensive dependent on your tax return?
A. President Obama.

Q. What will the difference be between President Obama and Karl Marx?
A. Karl Marx had way more experience.

Q. Why doesn’t Obama pray?
A. It’s impossible to read the teleprompter with your eyes closed

Q. Why won’t Barack Obama’s presidential jet be flight worthy?
A. It will only have a left wing.[/quote]

Flu, a couple of these are pretty damn funny I have to say.

[sdgrrl]

[quote=flu]…or perhaps legislate what you should buy??? Hmmmm. I won’t go there…..

—–Some humor, in good fun of course.

Q. Who should be listed as the most expensive dependent on your tax return?
A. President Obama.

Q. What will the difference be between President Obama and Karl Marx?
A. Karl Marx had way more experience.

Q. Why doesn’t Obama pray?
A. It’s impossible to read the teleprompter with your eyes closed

Q. Why won’t Barack Obama’s presidential jet be flight worthy?
A. It will only have a left wing.[/quote]

Flu, a couple of these are pretty damn funny I have to say.

[Zeitgeist]

Sdgrrl you wound me with your aspersions. What makes you think I am not Jewish? Do you think all Jews are liberal, Democrat, socialist or left wing professors. Can’t some of us be freedom loving Libertarians? Allan thanks for always supporting facts over fantasy. flu, thanks for a great string of laughs, but I have to use Hitler instead of Marx because it will not work with Marx: What is the difference between Hitler and Obama? Hitler was a Christian. I think he also had a birth certificate, although it was always rumored that he had some skeletons in his closet.

I am adding a link to a discussion of the mistakes that Hoover made that destroyed the struggling economy because I think Obama is contemplating the same policy. This shows why he keeps his transcripts private: he did not do well in U.S. History. Welcome to 1932. http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/GreatDepression.html

“Hoover’s fiscal policy accelerated the decline. In December 1929, as a means of demonstrating the administration’s faith in the economy, Hoover had reduced all 1929 income tax rates by 1 percent because of the continuing budget surpluses. By 1930 the surplus had turned into a deficit that grew rapidly as the economy contracted. By the end of 1931 Hoover had decided to recommend a large tax increase in an attempt to balance the budget; Congress approved the tax increase in 1932. Personal exemptions were reduced sharply to increase the number of taxpayers, and rates were sharply increased. The lowest marginal rate rose from 1.125 percent to 4.0 percent, and the top marginal rate rose from 25 percent on taxable income in excess of $100,000 to 63 percent on taxable income in excess of $1 million as the rates were made much more progressive. We now understand that such a huge tax increase does not promote recovery during a contraction. By reducing households’ disposable income, it led to a reduction in household spending and a further contraction in economic activity.”

[Zeitgeist]

Sdgrrl you wound me with your aspersions. What makes you think I am not Jewish? Do you think all Jews are liberal, Democrat, socialist or left wing professors. Can’t some of us be freedom loving Libertarians? Allan thanks for always supporting facts over fantasy. flu, thanks for a great string of laughs, but I have to use Hitler instead of Marx because it will not work with Marx: What is the difference between Hitler and Obama? Hitler was a Christian. I think he also had a birth certificate, although it was always rumored that he had some skeletons in his closet.

I am adding a link to a discussion of the mistakes that Hoover made that destroyed the struggling economy because I think Obama is contemplating the same policy. This shows why he keeps his transcripts private: he did not do well in U.S. History. Welcome to 1932. http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/GreatDepression.html

“Hoover’s fiscal policy accelerated the decline. In December 1929, as a means of demonstrating the administration’s faith in the economy, Hoover had reduced all 1929 income tax rates by 1 percent because of the continuing budget surpluses. By 1930 the surplus had turned into a deficit that grew rapidly as the economy contracted. By the end of 1931 Hoover had decided to recommend a large tax increase in an attempt to balance the budget; Congress approved the tax increase in 1932. Personal exemptions were reduced sharply to increase the number of taxpayers, and rates were sharply increased. The lowest marginal rate rose from 1.125 percent to 4.0 percent, and the top marginal rate rose from 25 percent on taxable income in excess of $100,000 to 63 percent on taxable income in excess of $1 million as the rates were made much more progressive. We now understand that such a huge tax increase does not promote recovery during a contraction. By reducing households’ disposable income, it led to a reduction in household spending and a further contraction in economic activity.”

[Zeitgeist]

Sdgrrl you wound me with your aspersions. What makes you think I am not Jewish? Do you think all Jews are liberal, Democrat, socialist or left wing professors. Can’t some of us be freedom loving Libertarians? Allan thanks for always supporting facts over fantasy. flu, thanks for a great string of laughs, but I have to use Hitler instead of Marx because it will not work with Marx: What is the difference between Hitler and Obama? Hitler was a Christian. I think he also had a birth certificate, although it was always rumored that he had some skeletons in his closet.

I am adding a link to a discussion of the mistakes that Hoover made that destroyed the struggling economy because I think Obama is contemplating the same policy. This shows why he keeps his transcripts private: he did not do well in U.S. History. Welcome to 1932. http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/GreatDepression.html

“Hoover’s fiscal policy accelerated the decline. In December 1929, as a means of demonstrating the administration’s faith in the economy, Hoover had reduced all 1929 income tax rates by 1 percent because of the continuing budget surpluses. By 1930 the surplus had turned into a deficit that grew rapidly as the economy contracted. By the end of 1931 Hoover had decided to recommend a large tax increase in an attempt to balance the budget; Congress approved the tax increase in 1932. Personal exemptions were reduced sharply to increase the number of taxpayers, and rates were sharply increased. The lowest marginal rate rose from 1.125 percent to 4.0 percent, and the top marginal rate rose from 25 percent on taxable income in excess of $100,000 to 63 percent on taxable income in excess of $1 million as the rates were made much more progressive. We now understand that such a huge tax increase does not promote recovery during a contraction. By reducing households’ disposable income, it led to a reduction in household spending and a further contraction in economic activity.”

[Zeitgeist]

Sdgrrl you wound me with your aspersions. What makes you think I am not Jewish? Do you think all Jews are liberal, Democrat, socialist or left wing professors. Can’t some of us be freedom loving Libertarians? Allan thanks for always supporting facts over fantasy. flu, thanks for a great string of laughs, but I have to use Hitler instead of Marx because it will not work with Marx: What is the difference between Hitler and Obama? Hitler was a Christian. I think he also had a birth certificate, although it was always rumored that he had some skeletons in his closet.

I am adding a link to a discussion of the mistakes that Hoover made that destroyed the struggling economy because I think Obama is contemplating the same policy. This shows why he keeps his transcripts private: he did not do well in U.S. History. Welcome to 1932. http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/GreatDepression.html

“Hoover’s fiscal policy accelerated the decline. In December 1929, as a means of demonstrating the administration’s faith in the economy, Hoover had reduced all 1929 income tax rates by 1 percent because of the continuing budget surpluses. By 1930 the surplus had turned into a deficit that grew rapidly as the economy contracted. By the end of 1931 Hoover had decided to recommend a large tax increase in an attempt to balance the budget; Congress approved the tax increase in 1932. Personal exemptions were reduced sharply to increase the number of taxpayers, and rates were sharply increased. The lowest marginal rate rose from 1.125 percent to 4.0 percent, and the top marginal rate rose from 25 percent on taxable income in excess of $100,000 to 63 percent on taxable income in excess of $1 million as the rates were made much more progressive. We now understand that such a huge tax increase does not promote recovery during a contraction. By reducing households’ disposable income, it led to a reduction in household spending and a further contraction in economic activity.”

[Zeitgeist]

Sdgrrl you wound me with your aspersions. What makes you think I am not Jewish? Do you think all Jews are liberal, Democrat, socialist or left wing professors. Can’t some of us be freedom loving Libertarians? Allan thanks for always supporting facts over fantasy. flu, thanks for a great string of laughs, but I have to use Hitler instead of Marx because it will not work with Marx: What is the difference between Hitler and Obama? Hitler was a Christian. I think he also had a birth certificate, although it was always rumored that he had some skeletons in his closet.

I am adding a link to a discussion of the mistakes that Hoover made that destroyed the struggling economy because I think Obama is contemplating the same policy. This shows why he keeps his transcripts private: he did not do well in U.S. History. Welcome to 1932. http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/GreatDepression.html

“Hoover’s fiscal policy accelerated the decline. In December 1929, as a means of demonstrating the administration’s faith in the economy, Hoover had reduced all 1929 income tax rates by 1 percent because of the continuing budget surpluses. By 1930 the surplus had turned into a deficit that grew rapidly as the economy contracted. By the end of 1931 Hoover had decided to recommend a large tax increase in an attempt to balance the budget; Congress approved the tax increase in 1932. Personal exemptions were reduced sharply to increase the number of taxpayers, and rates were sharply increased. The lowest marginal rate rose from 1.125 percent to 4.0 percent, and the top marginal rate rose from 25 percent on taxable income in excess of $100,000 to 63 percent on taxable income in excess of $1 million as the rates were made much more progressive. We now understand that such a huge tax increase does not promote recovery during a contraction. By reducing households’ disposable income, it led to a reduction in household spending and a further contraction in economic activity.”

[scaredyclassic]

lots of conservative jews. they’re also fairly conservative with the nazi-analogy stuff. you just don’t sound like a fellow jew to me, zeitgeist. most jews just sound…well…smarter…you write kind of like you weren’t at the top fo your class…not that all jews are at the top of their class…just that they are disproportionately represented there…nothing personal. maybe your first language is something else…

[scaredyclassic]

lots of conservative jews. they’re also fairly conservative with the nazi-analogy stuff. you just don’t sound like a fellow jew to me, zeitgeist. most jews just sound…well…smarter…you write kind of like you weren’t at the top fo your class…not that all jews are at the top of their class…just that they are disproportionately represented there…nothing personal. maybe your first language is something else…

[scaredyclassic]

lots of conservative jews. they’re also fairly conservative with the nazi-analogy stuff. you just don’t sound like a fellow jew to me, zeitgeist. most jews just sound…well…smarter…you write kind of like you weren’t at the top fo your class…not that all jews are at the top of their class…just that they are disproportionately represented there…nothing personal. maybe your first language is something else…

[scaredyclassic]

lots of conservative jews. they’re also fairly conservative with the nazi-analogy stuff. you just don’t sound like a fellow jew to me, zeitgeist. most jews just sound…well…smarter…you write kind of like you weren’t at the top fo your class…not that all jews are at the top of their class…just that they are disproportionately represented there…nothing personal. maybe your first language is something else…

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